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[Patch 3.13] Heimer Rework General Discussion - Page 11

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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 30 2013 14:58 GMT
#201
They nerfed Aatrox so hard they had to disable him lol.
It's your boy Guzma!
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
October 30 2013 14:59 GMT
#202
On October 30 2013 23:55 JonGalt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 23:48 Sponkz wrote:
Lol stop talking about whether or not heimer is OP. Clearly the meta (can we invent a new word for this please?) is favoring poke champions more and more, just give it 2-3 weeks and he´ll be popular like never before.


Current Optimal Wizard Football Strategy. COWFS for short.


All we have to do is convince Monte/DoA to use it and we've changed the GAME.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
October 30 2013 15:00 GMT
#203
On October 30 2013 23:59 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 23:55 JonGalt wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:48 Sponkz wrote:
Lol stop talking about whether or not heimer is OP. Clearly the meta (can we invent a new word for this please?) is favoring poke champions more and more, just give it 2-3 weeks and he´ll be popular like never before.


Current Optimal Wizard Football Strategy. COWFS for short.


All we have to do is convince Monte/DoA to use it and we've changed the GAME.



We´ve changed the metagame


+ Show Spoiler +
hue+ Show Spoiler +
huehuehue
hi
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
October 30 2013 15:02 GMT
#204
On October 31 2013 00:00 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 23:59 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:55 JonGalt wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:48 Sponkz wrote:
Lol stop talking about whether or not heimer is OP. Clearly the meta (can we invent a new word for this please?) is favoring poke champions more and more, just give it 2-3 weeks and he´ll be popular like never before.


Current Optimal Wizard Football Strategy. COWFS for short.


All we have to do is convince Monte/DoA to use it and we've changed the GAME.



We´ve changed the metagame


+ Show Spoiler +
hue+ Show Spoiler +
huehuehue

We've changed the metagame of the word meta. Metaception.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
October 30 2013 15:04 GMT
#205
If heimer is good because he's good against other popular picks (or, in the context of solo queue, fits well into teamcomps that are popularly played) then the meta is favoring him

If heimer is good because he's good in a vacuum then he's OP

The above statements are not necessarily mutually exclusive
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
October 30 2013 15:04 GMT
#206
On October 31 2013 00:02 Fildun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 00:00 Sponkz wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:59 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:55 JonGalt wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:48 Sponkz wrote:
Lol stop talking about whether or not heimer is OP. Clearly the meta (can we invent a new word for this please?) is favoring poke champions more and more, just give it 2-3 weeks and he´ll be popular like never before.


Current Optimal Wizard Football Strategy. COWFS for short.


All we have to do is convince Monte/DoA to use it and we've changed the GAME.



We´ve changed the metagame


+ Show Spoiler +
hue+ Show Spoiler +
huehuehue

We've changed the metagame of the word meta. Metaception.



Meta within a meta within a taco
hi
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 30 2013 15:05 GMT
#207
On October 31 2013 00:00 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 23:59 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:55 JonGalt wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:48 Sponkz wrote:
Lol stop talking about whether or not heimer is OP. Clearly the meta (can we invent a new word for this please?) is favoring poke champions more and more, just give it 2-3 weeks and he´ll be popular like never before.


Current Optimal Wizard Football Strategy. COWFS for short.


All we have to do is convince Monte/DoA to use it and we've changed the GAME.



We´ve changed the metagame


+ Show Spoiler +
hue+ Show Spoiler +
huehuehue

I wish I could hurt you through the internet for that -.-


Is anyone getting any of the Harrowing skins for this year? I was thinking about the TF one, but I don't really play any of the others (well, I occasionally play Ryze but I have Uncle Ryze so I like that one).
It's your boy Guzma!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 30 2013 15:07 GMT
#208
On October 31 2013 00:05 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 00:00 Sponkz wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:59 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:55 JonGalt wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:48 Sponkz wrote:
Lol stop talking about whether or not heimer is OP. Clearly the meta (can we invent a new word for this please?) is favoring poke champions more and more, just give it 2-3 weeks and he´ll be popular like never before.


Current Optimal Wizard Football Strategy. COWFS for short.


All we have to do is convince Monte/DoA to use it and we've changed the GAME.



We´ve changed the metagame


+ Show Spoiler +
hue+ Show Spoiler +
huehuehue

I wish I could hurt you through the internet for that -.-


Is anyone getting any of the Harrowing skins for this year? I was thinking about the TF one, but I don't really play any of the others (well, I occasionally play Ryze but I have Uncle Ryze so I like that one).


Zyra is instabuy
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 30 2013 15:08 GMT
#209
On October 31 2013 00:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 00:05 Requizen wrote:
On October 31 2013 00:00 Sponkz wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:59 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:55 JonGalt wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:48 Sponkz wrote:
Lol stop talking about whether or not heimer is OP. Clearly the meta (can we invent a new word for this please?) is favoring poke champions more and more, just give it 2-3 weeks and he´ll be popular like never before.


Current Optimal Wizard Football Strategy. COWFS for short.


All we have to do is convince Monte/DoA to use it and we've changed the GAME.



We´ve changed the metagame


+ Show Spoiler +
hue+ Show Spoiler +
huehuehue

I wish I could hurt you through the internet for that -.-


Is anyone getting any of the Harrowing skins for this year? I was thinking about the TF one, but I don't really play any of the others (well, I occasionally play Ryze but I have Uncle Ryze so I like that one).


Zyra is instabuy

You'd have to stop playing Annie hue
It's your boy Guzma!
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
October 30 2013 15:10 GMT
#210
On October 31 2013 00:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 00:05 Requizen wrote:
On October 31 2013 00:00 Sponkz wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:59 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:55 JonGalt wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:48 Sponkz wrote:
Lol stop talking about whether or not heimer is OP. Clearly the meta (can we invent a new word for this please?) is favoring poke champions more and more, just give it 2-3 weeks and he´ll be popular like never before.


Current Optimal Wizard Football Strategy. COWFS for short.


All we have to do is convince Monte/DoA to use it and we've changed the GAME.



We´ve changed the metagame


+ Show Spoiler +
hue+ Show Spoiler +
huehuehue

I wish I could hurt you through the internet for that -.-


Is anyone getting any of the Harrowing skins for this year? I was thinking about the TF one, but I don't really play any of the others (well, I occasionally play Ryze but I have Uncle Ryze so I like that one).


Zyra is instabuy


No but seriously Zyra is INSTABUY

I also might pick up Headless Hecarim because I like it so much but I already have Arcade and also Hecarim sucks qq
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 30 2013 15:11 GMT
#211
On October 31 2013 00:10 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 00:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 31 2013 00:05 Requizen wrote:
On October 31 2013 00:00 Sponkz wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:59 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:55 JonGalt wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:48 Sponkz wrote:
Lol stop talking about whether or not heimer is OP. Clearly the meta (can we invent a new word for this please?) is favoring poke champions more and more, just give it 2-3 weeks and he´ll be popular like never before.


Current Optimal Wizard Football Strategy. COWFS for short.


All we have to do is convince Monte/DoA to use it and we've changed the GAME.



We´ve changed the metagame


+ Show Spoiler +
hue+ Show Spoiler +
huehuehue

I wish I could hurt you through the internet for that -.-


Is anyone getting any of the Harrowing skins for this year? I was thinking about the TF one, but I don't really play any of the others (well, I occasionally play Ryze but I have Uncle Ryze so I like that one).


Zyra is instabuy


No but seriously Zyra is INSTABUY

I also might pick up Headless Hecarim because I like it so much but I already have Arcade and also Hecarim sucks qq

Tell that to the Hec in our game last night. I'm still of the opinion that there's nothing necessarily "wrong" with Hec.
It's your boy Guzma!
HughMyron
Profile Joined April 2012
297 Posts
October 30 2013 15:15 GMT
#212
I hope Riot actually hit the mark with the Donger, and that he's not in for months of see-saw balancing before finally being left to rot in the trashbin like Ryze.
Platinum III, Kayle/Janna/Ashe Fanboy, HUEHUEHUE
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 15:20:23
October 30 2013 15:16 GMT
#213
On October 30 2013 23:09 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 23:00 obesechicken13 wrote:
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Context: This change is more of a modernization of Morgana and her Tormented Soil by rewarding her for being continuously aggressive with landing her Dark Bindings. Specifically, we wanted to reinforce Morgana's standard damage combo of Dark Binding to Tormented Soil, rather than the "ideal" combo of using Tormented Soil's magic resistance reduction to make Dark Binding deal more damage.

Tormented Soil

Damage per second changed to 24/38/52/66/80 (+0.22 Ability Power) (from 25/40/55/70/85 (+0.2 Ability Power))

Tormented Soil's damage now increases by up to 50% based on the enemy's missing Health

Damage application cadence increased to every 0.5 seconds from every 1 second

No longer applies a Magic Resist reduction debuff

So now Morg doesn't have anything unique. And apparently enemies will now stand in puddle for the full duration without being hit by Q.

wut? she still has her spell shield

And where did you get the second sentence from? The patch notes specifically say they're making Q->W stronger than W->Q, where did you get the idea they're removing Q from the equation at all

I'm exaggerating. Black shield is still unique.

I'm peeved they want to change something in a very weird way. There is no point to make the spell do bonus damage instead of pen. Before there was a reason to build more mpen like abyssal than on other mages. Now there's no point.

Also Morg's pool used to help her allies do more incidental magic damage. Now it doesn't.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 15:20:26
October 30 2013 15:19 GMT
#214
Huge base damage is actually a reason to build pen.

On October 30 2013 23:48 Sponkz wrote:
Lol stop talking about whether or not heimer is OP. Clearly the meta (can we invent a new word for this please?) is favoring poke champions more and more, just give it 2-3 weeks and he´ll be popular like never before.

Just use "trends" them. Also I wish Chill would review the last 2 pages.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
October 30 2013 15:23 GMT
#215
Chill needs to make a post about metagame or something, I dunno :^)
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 30 2013 15:25 GMT
#216
Just in case he does actually, I just want to say Chill, get out!
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 30 2013 15:32 GMT
#217
On October 31 2013 00:11 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 00:10 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On October 31 2013 00:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 31 2013 00:05 Requizen wrote:
On October 31 2013 00:00 Sponkz wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:59 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:55 JonGalt wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:48 Sponkz wrote:
Lol stop talking about whether or not heimer is OP. Clearly the meta (can we invent a new word for this please?) is favoring poke champions more and more, just give it 2-3 weeks and he´ll be popular like never before.


Current Optimal Wizard Football Strategy. COWFS for short.


All we have to do is convince Monte/DoA to use it and we've changed the GAME.



We´ve changed the metagame


+ Show Spoiler +
hue+ Show Spoiler +
huehuehue

I wish I could hurt you through the internet for that -.-


Is anyone getting any of the Harrowing skins for this year? I was thinking about the TF one, but I don't really play any of the others (well, I occasionally play Ryze but I have Uncle Ryze so I like that one).


Zyra is instabuy


No but seriously Zyra is INSTABUY

I also might pick up Headless Hecarim because I like it so much but I already have Arcade and also Hecarim sucks qq

Tell that to the Hec in our game last night. I'm still of the opinion that there's nothing necessarily "wrong" with Hec.

Pwny has gone back to the murky area where he's not strong enough to be popular but strong enough for the only people who still play him are really good at him (See rammus as well)
Glorious SEA doto
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 30 2013 15:33 GMT
#218
I don't even know if he's till present on the site apart from his blogs anymore. Should I be amazed that people here actually remember this name then reminded that we're all old timers (TL-wise, you drat!) in this sub-forum?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 30 2013 15:35 GMT
#219
On October 31 2013 00:32 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 00:11 Requizen wrote:
On October 31 2013 00:10 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On October 31 2013 00:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 31 2013 00:05 Requizen wrote:
On October 31 2013 00:00 Sponkz wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:59 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:55 JonGalt wrote:
On October 30 2013 23:48 Sponkz wrote:
Lol stop talking about whether or not heimer is OP. Clearly the meta (can we invent a new word for this please?) is favoring poke champions more and more, just give it 2-3 weeks and he´ll be popular like never before.


Current Optimal Wizard Football Strategy. COWFS for short.


All we have to do is convince Monte/DoA to use it and we've changed the GAME.



We´ve changed the metagame


+ Show Spoiler +
hue+ Show Spoiler +
huehuehue

I wish I could hurt you through the internet for that -.-


Is anyone getting any of the Harrowing skins for this year? I was thinking about the TF one, but I don't really play any of the others (well, I occasionally play Ryze but I have Uncle Ryze so I like that one).


Zyra is instabuy


No but seriously Zyra is INSTABUY

I also might pick up Headless Hecarim because I like it so much but I already have Arcade and also Hecarim sucks qq

Tell that to the Hec in our game last night. I'm still of the opinion that there's nothing necessarily "wrong" with Hec.

Pwny has gone back to the murky area where he's not strong enough to be popular but strong enough for the only people who still play him are really good at him (See rammus as well)

I call that "The Swain Zone".

Seriously, when I see someone pick Swain I immediately know they're either going to be total trash or end the game like 16-1.
It's your boy Guzma!
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 30 2013 15:35 GMT
#220
On October 31 2013 00:33 Alaric wrote:
I don't even know if he's till present on the site apart from his blogs anymore. Should I be amazed that people here actually remember this name then reminded that we're all old timers (TL-wise, you drat!) in this sub-forum?


He was relevant 2 years ago. You shouldn't be an old timer to remember something 2 years ago.

New Heimer is much stronger lane bully than before, he can actually kill now!
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