EPTOn November 08 2013 15:54 Nemireck wrote:
He plays for TSM now? How'd he piss Regi off so soon?
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He plays for TSM now? How'd he piss Regi off so soon?
How did this jump to TSM?
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Gahlo
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How did this jump to TSM? | ||
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Duvon
Sweden2360 Posts
I think it was an attempt at sarcasm (or irony?) and alleged Regi brutality. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Trundle and udyr are good against him also. | ||
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Alaric
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Slayer91
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On November 08 2013 20:55 Alaric wrote: Trundle isn't good against him when rushing full tank, from what I've had to witness. ;; Botrk or IBG/Tri-force into SV and what's renekton exactly gonna do? Surely straight out full tank wouldn't work as a potential snowball lane (Trundle won't have the damage to kill renekton, and when trundle pops the ultimate, renekton can easily dash away) but renekton will be close to useless in team fights whenever Trundle steals his resistances. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
(And now I feel obligated to clarify that this line was light-hearted too, lest people take it as a criticism just because there's no smiley. With a disclaimer longer than the phrase. Dammit!) More seriously, yeah I believe Trundle wouldn't have enough sustain with just his passive against Renekton, and he certainly won't have the base damage if he goes full tank since Renek can disengage somewhat easily and Trundle lacks burst to help diving tanky champions. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35162 Posts
On November 08 2013 21:30 Alaric wrote: That was supposed to be offbeat. Since when does Teut take people too seriously? (And now I feel obligated to clarify that this line was light-hearted too, lest people take it as a criticism just because there's no smiley. With a disclaimer longer than the phrase. Dammit!) More seriously, yeah I believe Trundle wouldn't have enough sustain with just his passive against Renekton, and he certainly won't have the base damage if he goes full tank since Renek can disengage somewhat easily and Trundle lacks burst to help diving tanky champions. Trundle tends to rush BotRK in lanes. By 6 he'll be able to toe to toe by trading ult for ult. Cutlass/BotRK active MS steal and his already existent slows allow him to stick unless Renek Slice and Dices away. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On November 08 2013 21:36 mr_tolkien wrote: Riven definitely has a good matchup against Nasus because 1) she can negate his W in trades 2) she trades fast and efficiently and even though he's got sustain she's manaless 3) he'll have a hard time not dying on ganks. you just wait for her to try to use her combo once and then hide and tower until glacial and then ezwins have to early tower dive to win with jungler on the riven end of things if you prefer to play riven in the midgame maybe you have a case for it though, but you have to rush LW and even then when nasus gets IBG you can't run, I played both sides of this and it isn't fun (but my nasus is better than riven, but I haven't lost last few times against rivens) W can only be negated with Q and W off cd, but you use them to engage a fight, nasus would use W after when riven tries to disenagage. On November 08 2013 21:30 Alaric wrote: That was supposed to be offbeat. Since when does Teut take people too seriously? (And now I feel obligated to clarify that this line was light-hearted too, lest people take it as a criticism just because there's no smiley. With a disclaimer longer than the phrase. Dammit!) More seriously, yeah I believe Trundle wouldn't have enough sustain with just his passive against Renekton, and he certainly won't have the base damage if he goes full tank since Renek can disengage somewhat easily and Trundle lacks burst to help diving tanky champions. I don't understand. Is there an inside reference im missing or something? You can't just say something wrong and then say it wasn't serious if it wasn't somehow a joke. EDIT: I'm not sure if nasus needs jungler to win though, Tolkien in a couple weeks we gonna have to have a grudgematch NvR bo3 or something. | ||
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Baffels
United States1486 Posts
Is Shyvana the only champ still getting bonus armor/mr for her passive? Nid and other champions have lost theres over the patches, shyv next? Seems silly how tanky she can be starting DS and building straight to BotRK. Also anyone watching the NEST? Just wondering how this 3 way tie is going to go down. Was also looking forward to seeing CC club since they knocked OMG out of G-league but, didn't make it to the hype. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On November 08 2013 21:48 Slayer91 wrote: you just wait for her to try to use her combo once and then hide and tower until glacial and then ezwins have to early tower dive to win with jungler on the riven end of things if you prefer to play riven in the midgame maybe you have a case for it though, but you have to rush LW and even then when nasus gets IBG you can't run, I played both sides of this and it isn't fun (but my nasus is better than riven, but I haven't lost last few times against rivens) W can only be negated with Q and W off cd, but you use them to engage a fight, nasus would use W after when riven tries to disenagage. I don't understand. Is there an inside reference im missing or something? You can't just say something wrong and then say it wasn't serious if it wasn't somehow a joke. EDIT: I'm not sure if nasus needs jungler to win though, Tolkien in a couple weeks we gonna have to have a grudgematch NvR bo3 or something. I think it's that philosophy where if you joke once or twice, the majority of users on TL will consider you a joker, even when you actually write something constructive >< | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
(I mean, Trundle doesn't do much if you don't build damage in most cases anyway, but that's not groundbreaking news or anything.) | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
edit: and I'm not trying to start a war against Alaric here, and i don't think badly of you either bro  | ||
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UnKooL
Korea (South)1667 Posts
On November 08 2013 19:57 mr_tolkien wrote: Dunno, she's #1 winrate in every league in soloQ atm and she feels way too powerful (incredible pushing and AoE and now consistent damage outside of ult). Yeah I ban her if I'm FP, but I main TF so that probably has a lot to do with it. | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I can't really give a bunch of insight about Trundle though, because I only jungled him in s2, and he's so rare now (remember after the VU, everybody and their mother was playing him, and there was a bunch of "omg Trundle so strong" posts either here or on the official forums GD, and now without any change he's back to obscurity) it's hard to get info on him. Shouldn't Renekton just be able to nuke/shove the wave and roam if Trundle ever gets too strong to try fighting him, though? That game was painful because for some reason people decided to draft a shit comp (Vayne/Trundle/Janna/Lux against a bunch of divers so we'd never outdamage them in a fight, without having the poke to abuse our disengage; we basically needed Lux to get fed vs Ahri or Vayne fed vs Cait to tilt our plan one side, so Trundle not building any damage made it look way worse as he was a dead weight in our comp but may have been useful in other cases). ... actually, are we talking about Trundle, or about who does well against Renekton? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On November 08 2013 22:15 Alaric wrote: Dunno, reading "Trundle doesn't do well when rushing full tank" feels like bashing through an open door to me, and the added part "from what I've had to witness" to emphasise the "personal/anecdotal evidence" side of things was supposed to make it obvious I wasn't serious about it being a constructive and legitimate opinion. (I mean, Trundle doesn't do much if you don't build damage in most cases anyway, but that's not groundbreaking news or anything.) Full tank trundle is totally viable,(assuming trundle is "viable" dumb word anyway) in a lot of lanes it's fine and in a lot of teamfight situations having max CDR and being tanky is more important than damage because your diving skills aren't the best. His base damage with CDR+q+w+r is very good already and his E is very useful Generally building damage is a luxury because you often pick him into kite comps but definitely his damage scaling is good but his mobility is normally too poor to warrant building damage, although theoretically BOTRK+Trinity+LW or BC is a lot of damage, thats often what you do late game, 2-3 tank items, rest damgae, you get the tank stuff early and then it falls off when everyone gets penetration and tons of damage) In trundle vs renekton, once trundle is stronger you can stop him from pushing wave because you have enough mobility and cc with Q W and E, there's no way he's healthy enough to do it for more than 1 wave. If you have BOTRK especally it doesn't work, but if he has FH or IBG he has more mana to spam spells to stop it certianly when renek is stronger he can push but the whole push roam thing sounds a lot better in theory than it does in practice, often roam has to sacrifice a tower (trundle good at pushing towers too btw) to secure an objective, unless you specifically find jungler+mid action conveniently close to you On November 08 2013 22:04 Sponkz wrote: I think it's that philosophy where if you joke once or twice, the majority of users on TL will consider you a joker, even when you actually write something constructive >< I don't know about that. If someone doesn't respond to a post I always assume its because it's right, (or because they are frustrated with the guy arguing and stopped bothering, if its a long string) not that it wasn't taken seriously. People only reply to someone when they are WRONG ON THE INTERNET a bunch of people kissing ass would make you feel better maybe but it's not constructive. | ||
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Kyrie
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