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On October 18 2013 04:35 gtrsrs wrote:
nice. i'm taking a trip home to visit family for a little more than a week and i thought i wouldn't be able to hit plat for sure. that extension gives me just enough time to hit plat, i might even be able to shoot for d5 :O
Lol good luck. Clamping is the most miserable and demoralizing thing in the world.
edit: for D5, I mean
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Clamping is depressing in every and any division
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we can take this to Off topic if you want but heavy buyback nerfs fuck yes.
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On October 18 2013 04:21 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 04:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 18 2013 04:06 GrandInquisitor wrote:Hooray! We're extending Season 3 ranked play until 11:59 PM on 11/11. Whether you've set your sights on lighting the way with Victorious Wards or catching a new skin in your web as a freshly-minted Gold player, you have two additional weeks to reach your personal goals for the competitive season. Head into ranked now to see how high you can rise! Oh lovely. More time for me to be bad! Np we duo again and I carry you harder this time. Edit: someone explain the Dota thing to me I don't play.
Roshan used to spawn at a specific time, like Nashor (forgot how long). The patchnotes state he's going to spawn randomly between 8 and 11 minutes after his death now (and you know how opposed Riot is to RNG, which is fine by me).
Other changes are... uh, can't tl;dr them, I had to get a few explained to me too, DotA scrub. But they're pretty wide, hitting quite an array of heroes. Some jungle changes too (including "most dying neutral share their xp between every nearby heroes instead of just the allies of who killed them") but it's not as big as for League apparently.
Oh, they trashed buybacks too.
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On October 18 2013 04:37 nafta wrote:
Why isn't it eu only?Isn't the only reason they are extending because euw hasn't really been playable lately?
Anything EU gets NA gets too
too bad it isn't the other way around (like server stability h4h4h4h4h4h4)
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On October 18 2013 04:46 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 04:21 Requizen wrote:On October 18 2013 04:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 18 2013 04:06 GrandInquisitor wrote:Hooray! We're extending Season 3 ranked play until 11:59 PM on 11/11. Whether you've set your sights on lighting the way with Victorious Wards or catching a new skin in your web as a freshly-minted Gold player, you have two additional weeks to reach your personal goals for the competitive season. Head into ranked now to see how high you can rise! Oh lovely. More time for me to be bad! Np we duo again and I carry you harder this time. Edit: someone explain the Dota thing to me I don't play. Roshan used to spawn at a specific time, like Nashor (forgot how long). The patchnotes state he's going to spawn randomly between 8 and 11 minutes after his death now (and you know how opposed Riot is to RNG, which is fine by me). Other changes are... uh, can't tl;dr them, I had to get a few explained to me too, DotA scrub. But they're pretty wide, hitting quite an array of heroes. Some jungle changes too (including "most dying neutral share their xp between every nearby heroes instead of just the allies of who killed them") but it's not as big as for League apparently. Oh, they trashed buybacks too.
Buybacks are so weird though. "Ok, I'm losing this game, time to throw another 800(?) of my team's gold away so I can respawn faster and perhaps die again so the enemy team can get more ahead." I get that it might give your team a true sight gem thing or rapier which we don't have in LoL (no items drop) and it might save a Rax, but coming from the LoL perspective, having tradeoffs for your skills is so weird.
They haven't done any since Yi (when his E wears off, he loses his passive bonus AD). And Janna. (When she uses her W she loses her movement speed bonus on it).
You can do buybacks in LoL with Shen and revive or anyone with revive teleport. But no one does it. I've tried it and some games I never got to use revive  Other games where Shen wasn't banned people told me to get other summoners.
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On October 18 2013 04:46 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 04:21 Requizen wrote:On October 18 2013 04:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 18 2013 04:06 GrandInquisitor wrote:Hooray! We're extending Season 3 ranked play until 11:59 PM on 11/11. Whether you've set your sights on lighting the way with Victorious Wards or catching a new skin in your web as a freshly-minted Gold player, you have two additional weeks to reach your personal goals for the competitive season. Head into ranked now to see how high you can rise! Oh lovely. More time for me to be bad! Np we duo again and I carry you harder this time. Edit: someone explain the Dota thing to me I don't play. Roshan used to spawn at a specific time, like Nashor (forgot how long). The patchnotes state he's going to spawn randomly between 8 and 11 minutes after his death now (and you know how opposed Riot is to RNG, which is fine by me). Other changes are... uh, can't tl;dr them, I had to get a few explained to me too, DotA scrub. But they're pretty wide, hitting quite an array of heroes. Some jungle changes too (including "most dying neutral share their xp between every nearby heroes instead of just the allies of who killed them") but it's not as big as for League apparently. Oh, they trashed buybacks too.
I wasn't aware buybacks being overly strong in dota2.
Was this an issue in TI3?
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On October 18 2013 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 04:46 Alaric wrote:On October 18 2013 04:21 Requizen wrote:On October 18 2013 04:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 18 2013 04:06 GrandInquisitor wrote:Hooray! We're extending Season 3 ranked play until 11:59 PM on 11/11. Whether you've set your sights on lighting the way with Victorious Wards or catching a new skin in your web as a freshly-minted Gold player, you have two additional weeks to reach your personal goals for the competitive season. Head into ranked now to see how high you can rise! Oh lovely. More time for me to be bad! Np we duo again and I carry you harder this time. Edit: someone explain the Dota thing to me I don't play. Roshan used to spawn at a specific time, like Nashor (forgot how long). The patchnotes state he's going to spawn randomly between 8 and 11 minutes after his death now (and you know how opposed Riot is to RNG, which is fine by me). Other changes are... uh, can't tl;dr them, I had to get a few explained to me too, DotA scrub. But they're pretty wide, hitting quite an array of heroes. Some jungle changes too (including "most dying neutral share their xp between every nearby heroes instead of just the allies of who killed them") but it's not as big as for League apparently. Oh, they trashed buybacks too. I wasn't aware buybacks being overly strong in dota2. Was this an issue in TI3?
They used buybacks in TI3 but the commentators kept talking about the associated risks. That leads me to think it wasn't too big of a deal and was a last ditch effort a team could make to save themselves from losing.
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On October 18 2013 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 04:46 Alaric wrote:On October 18 2013 04:21 Requizen wrote:On October 18 2013 04:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 18 2013 04:06 GrandInquisitor wrote:Hooray! We're extending Season 3 ranked play until 11:59 PM on 11/11. Whether you've set your sights on lighting the way with Victorious Wards or catching a new skin in your web as a freshly-minted Gold player, you have two additional weeks to reach your personal goals for the competitive season. Head into ranked now to see how high you can rise! Oh lovely. More time for me to be bad! Np we duo again and I carry you harder this time. Edit: someone explain the Dota thing to me I don't play. Roshan used to spawn at a specific time, like Nashor (forgot how long). The patchnotes state he's going to spawn randomly between 8 and 11 minutes after his death now (and you know how opposed Riot is to RNG, which is fine by me). Other changes are... uh, can't tl;dr them, I had to get a few explained to me too, DotA scrub. But they're pretty wide, hitting quite an array of heroes. Some jungle changes too (including "most dying neutral share their xp between every nearby heroes instead of just the allies of who killed them") but it's not as big as for League apparently. Oh, they trashed buybacks too. I wasn't aware buybacks being overly strong in dota2. Was this an issue in TI3?
They provide a very strong base defenders advantage, which discourages aggressive base pushing and encourages split push strategies. And split-pushing is/was super strong.
E: buybacks are interesting because they're at least theoretically high risk, sacrificing some resources to get back into an elongated team-fight and perhaps swing some of the benefit the other team got by killing you back either through reprise kills, clean up kills or just farm-time &map presence.
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these nerfs (this isn't a yango level analysis but I also don't think it's rocket science) basically make it so that buyback is only worth it if you can buyback and tp in to turn a fight or save a MAJOR (read:high ground) objective, where as now buyback is frequently worth it just to get back to farming, which is a little silly.
these nerfs won't solve the major problems with buyback, like the ~90 min game at TI3 where both teams would turtle unless 5 buybacks were available, in these situations it would still be worth it to play this way.
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On October 18 2013 05:03 Haiq343 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:On October 18 2013 04:46 Alaric wrote:On October 18 2013 04:21 Requizen wrote:On October 18 2013 04:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 18 2013 04:06 GrandInquisitor wrote:Hooray! We're extending Season 3 ranked play until 11:59 PM on 11/11. Whether you've set your sights on lighting the way with Victorious Wards or catching a new skin in your web as a freshly-minted Gold player, you have two additional weeks to reach your personal goals for the competitive season. Head into ranked now to see how high you can rise! Oh lovely. More time for me to be bad! Np we duo again and I carry you harder this time. Edit: someone explain the Dota thing to me I don't play. Roshan used to spawn at a specific time, like Nashor (forgot how long). The patchnotes state he's going to spawn randomly between 8 and 11 minutes after his death now (and you know how opposed Riot is to RNG, which is fine by me). Other changes are... uh, can't tl;dr them, I had to get a few explained to me too, DotA scrub. But they're pretty wide, hitting quite an array of heroes. Some jungle changes too (including "most dying neutral share their xp between every nearby heroes instead of just the allies of who killed them") but it's not as big as for League apparently. Oh, they trashed buybacks too. I wasn't aware buybacks being overly strong in dota2. Was this an issue in TI3? They provide a very strong base defenders advantage, which discourages aggressive base pushing and encourages split push strategies. And split-pushing is/was super strong.
Read, they make the games take fucking forever
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On October 18 2013 05:01 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:On October 18 2013 04:46 Alaric wrote:On October 18 2013 04:21 Requizen wrote:On October 18 2013 04:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 18 2013 04:06 GrandInquisitor wrote:Hooray! We're extending Season 3 ranked play until 11:59 PM on 11/11. Whether you've set your sights on lighting the way with Victorious Wards or catching a new skin in your web as a freshly-minted Gold player, you have two additional weeks to reach your personal goals for the competitive season. Head into ranked now to see how high you can rise! Oh lovely. More time for me to be bad! Np we duo again and I carry you harder this time. Edit: someone explain the Dota thing to me I don't play. Roshan used to spawn at a specific time, like Nashor (forgot how long). The patchnotes state he's going to spawn randomly between 8 and 11 minutes after his death now (and you know how opposed Riot is to RNG, which is fine by me). Other changes are... uh, can't tl;dr them, I had to get a few explained to me too, DotA scrub. But they're pretty wide, hitting quite an array of heroes. Some jungle changes too (including "most dying neutral share their xp between every nearby heroes instead of just the allies of who killed them") but it's not as big as for League apparently. Oh, they trashed buybacks too. I wasn't aware buybacks being overly strong in dota2. Was this an issue in TI3? They used buybacks in TI3 but the commentators kept talking about the associated risks. That leads me to think it wasn't too big of a deal and was a last ditch effort a team could make to save themselves from losing.
Buybacks are a huge part of defending high ground/rax, which can be huge for teams that have a definitive late-game advantage or are waiting for a specific item timing. Also sometimes they're just used as an 'oh-shit' button because someone on your team fucked up and them being alive again is worth the gold they spend to do so, because you'd lose something important otherwise(a rosh, rax, the game, etc).
On October 18 2013 05:05 Slusher wrote:
these nerfs (this isn't a yango level analysis but I also don't think it's rocket science) basically make it so that buyback is only worth it if you can buyback and tp in to turn a fight or save a MAJOR (read:high ground) objective, where as now buyback is frequently worth it just to get back to farming, which is a little silly.
these nerfs won't solve the major problems with buyback, like the ~90 min game at TI3 where both teams would turtle unless 5 buybacks were available, in these situations it would still be worth it to play this way.
The vast vast majority of games aren't the 90 min turtle fests, this change was actually aimed at the average games where buybacks seem to come out extremely frequently to defend even mid-level objectives like Tier2(sometimes even T1) towers with TPs, or BBing to get back into a rosh fight, things like that. Now, that carry can't just get back to the fight, help clean up(or scare off) people, then resume farming to a near 0 net loss in gold(because early BB is pretty cheap). Tack on that their next death will be 25% longer and you now have some huge risk to early game BBs.
Late game turtling for full team BBs(and that's not actually the purpose, it's more that the leading team refuses to push without an aegis, and the losing team is losing) aren't some huge systemic problem, it's a very specific thing that happens very rarely.
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On October 18 2013 05:03 Haiq343 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:On October 18 2013 04:46 Alaric wrote:On October 18 2013 04:21 Requizen wrote:On October 18 2013 04:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 18 2013 04:06 GrandInquisitor wrote:Hooray! We're extending Season 3 ranked play until 11:59 PM on 11/11. Whether you've set your sights on lighting the way with Victorious Wards or catching a new skin in your web as a freshly-minted Gold player, you have two additional weeks to reach your personal goals for the competitive season. Head into ranked now to see how high you can rise! Oh lovely. More time for me to be bad! Np we duo again and I carry you harder this time. Edit: someone explain the Dota thing to me I don't play. Roshan used to spawn at a specific time, like Nashor (forgot how long). The patchnotes state he's going to spawn randomly between 8 and 11 minutes after his death now (and you know how opposed Riot is to RNG, which is fine by me). Other changes are... uh, can't tl;dr them, I had to get a few explained to me too, DotA scrub. But they're pretty wide, hitting quite an array of heroes. Some jungle changes too (including "most dying neutral share their xp between every nearby heroes instead of just the allies of who killed them") but it's not as big as for League apparently. Oh, they trashed buybacks too. I wasn't aware buybacks being overly strong in dota2. Was this an issue in TI3? They provide a very strong base defenders advantage, which discourages aggressive base pushing and encourages split push strategies. And split-pushing is/was super strong.
I'm not a DotA expert but I thought that was one of the good things about DotA. There were two ways you could win. Either you had a better teamfight comp or you split pushed. Split pushing was much stronger.
Honestly, I think Split pushing had just the right amount of power.
In LoL the current strategy is to slowly whittle down towers, gank a lot, and gain a gold advantage so you can take more towers. We have some split pushing but the map is too small to dedicate a team to it. Every team comp from poke comps to teamfight comps to the highly mobile comps that some teams run revolves around the idea of taking objectives around the map slowly and building up a lead.
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Extend Season 3 ---> ~_~ Have to play more ranked to avoid decay. Don't know if my heart can take it.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
buybacks in dota could be used to reinforce midgame pushing etc, but in lol this mechanism will hugely favor defensive side because of no easy tp mechanics. it will drag the game out so long
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It's a bit like GAs in LoL: you buy a GA when the enemy comp relies on shutting you down (and they're the burst kind, burning ults and stuff), you know you're going to win the next teamfight. With TP scrolls it's like, as you said, a Revive-TP but without sacrificing combat summoners (Ignite/Exhaust/Flash/Ghost, think how CV got phased out of bot lane because of this).
'cept in DotA both teams have access to it, and you've got a bigger defender's advantage than in LoL. Of course, you need the gold, but in some situations it stalled the game super long in TI3 games because people didn't want to commit (sometimes understandably, as one of their carries didn't have his own buyback up while the whole enemy team had theirs, for example).
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On October 18 2013 05:06 Inschato wrote:
Extend Season 3 ---> ~_~ Have to play more ranked to avoid decay. Don't know if my heart can take it.
my reaction exactly.
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On October 18 2013 05:06 Inschato wrote:
Extend Season 3 ---> ~_~ Have to play more ranked to avoid decay. Don't know if my heart can take it.
You already have your border. You can't get demoted as long as you play. The only way to get demoted is through decay.
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United States15536 Posts
I already play SMITE fool.
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EPT
