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Chemiczny84
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland458 Posts
September 29 2013 16:26 GMT
#6241
just transfer to EUNE, it's stable most of the time ;P
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 16:35:55
September 29 2013 16:33 GMT
#6242
On September 30 2013 00:39 wei2coolman wrote:
"winning junglers", obviously winning junglers going to have WAYYYY more gold (due to global objective gold being the major difference in gold differential)

Also the fact that when a team is winning, they have more map control and farming space, meaning it's easier for the jungler to find farm. Likewise the jungler gets more TIME to farm when their lanes are winning and they don't have to be as proactive.

In fact, I would argue that the statistics for LOSING junglers would actually be more meaningful, because it is more indicative of 1) how much priority teams give to junglers when farm is scarce, and 2) how much teams expect junglers to prioritize lanes over themselves when lanes are losing.

It's like the exact same thing that happened at TI3 when people were like "the winning teams gave more farm to their supports!"--well no, not necessarily, just winning games tend to involve enough map control for the winning team to get everyone farmed.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 29 2013 16:38 GMT
#6243
On September 30 2013 01:33 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2013 00:39 wei2coolman wrote:
"winning junglers", obviously winning junglers going to have WAYYYY more gold (due to global objective gold being the major difference in gold differential)

Also the fact that when a team is winning, they have more map control and farming space, meaning it's easier for the jungler to find farm. Likewise the jungler gets more TIME to farm when their lanes are winning and they don't have to be as proactive.

In fact, I would argue that the statistics for LOSING junglers would actually be more meaningful, because it is more indicative of 1) how much priority teams give to junglers when farm is scarce, and 2) how much teams expect junglers to prioritize lanes over themselves when lanes are losing.

It's like the exact same thing that happened at TI3 when people were like "the winning teams gave more farm to their supports!"--well no, not necessarily, just winning games tend to involve enough map control for the winning team to get everyone farmed.

TL;DR: Correlation does not imply causation.
I concur.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 29 2013 16:39 GMT
#6244
That's why the C9 games vs Fnatic games were so interesting. Meteos is a farming god. Team still losing? it's K, funnel more gold to Meteos.
liftlift > tsm
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
September 29 2013 16:40 GMT
#6245
On September 30 2013 01:33 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2013 00:39 wei2coolman wrote:
"winning junglers", obviously winning junglers going to have WAYYYY more gold (due to global objective gold being the major difference in gold differential)

Also the fact that when a team is winning, they have more map control and farming space, meaning it's easier for the jungler to find farm. Likewise the jungler gets more TIME to farm when their lanes are winning and they don't have to be as proactive.

In fact, I would argue that the statistics for LOSING junglers would actually be more meaningful, because it is more indicative of 1) how much priority teams give to junglers when farm is scarce, and 2) how much teams expect junglers to prioritize lanes over themselves when lanes are losing.

It's like the exact same thing that happened at TI3 when people were like "the winning teams gave more farm to their supports!"--well no, not necessarily, just winning games tend to involve enough map control for the winning team to get everyone farmed.


But, but, Akke and EGM, they always so farm!
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 29 2013 16:42 GMT
#6246
Also more useful would be jungler gold value normalized by solo laner gold value. Finishing the game with Golem+Locket is not that impressive when your mid or AD is approaching 6 items.
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NpG)Explosive
Profile Joined January 2003
France994 Posts
September 29 2013 16:59 GMT
#6247
On September 30 2013 01:26 Chemiczny84 wrote:
just transfer to EUNE, it's stable most of the time ;P


I made a new account on eune an hour ago and I can see from my first games that I'm not the only ones. I managed to play two games and now it seems to have some problems as well.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35150 Posts
September 29 2013 17:04 GMT
#6248
On September 29 2013 23:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
All this talk of supports makes me wonder if I am doing support lux wrong. Granted its not high MMR, but whenever I get stuck in a "support" role I rush CDR while trying to have like ~3 wards up. Better CDR lets me shield more and deal more damage.

Well, Lux isn't a good support, even on the fringe case. So there's that.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 29 2013 17:05 GMT
#6249
On September 30 2013 02:04 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 23:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
All this talk of supports makes me wonder if I am doing support lux wrong. Granted its not high MMR, but whenever I get stuck in a "support" role I rush CDR while trying to have like ~3 wards up. Better CDR lets me shield more and deal more damage.

Well, Lux isn't a good support, even on the fringe case. So there's that.

Anyone is a good support if you're a man.
It's your boy Guzma!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 17:07:28
September 29 2013 17:07 GMT
#6250
On September 30 2013 02:04 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 23:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
All this talk of supports makes me wonder if I am doing support lux wrong. Granted its not high MMR, but whenever I get stuck in a "support" role I rush CDR while trying to have like ~3 wards up. Better CDR lets me shield more and deal more damage.

Well, Lux isn't a good support, even on the fringe case. So there's that.

Wut? Lux support is so awesome.
On September 30 2013 02:05 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2013 02:04 Gahlo wrote:
On September 29 2013 23:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
All this talk of supports makes me wonder if I am doing support lux wrong. Granted its not high MMR, but whenever I get stuck in a "support" role I rush CDR while trying to have like ~3 wards up. Better CDR lets me shield more and deal more damage.

Well, Lux isn't a good support, even on the fringe case. So there's that.

Anyone is a good support if you're a man.

Not teemo.
liftlift > tsm
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 29 2013 17:09 GMT
#6251
Lux is a B tier support.

Play Zyra.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 29 2013 17:10 GMT
#6252
On September 30 2013 02:05 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2013 02:04 Gahlo wrote:
On September 29 2013 23:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
All this talk of supports makes me wonder if I am doing support lux wrong. Granted its not high MMR, but whenever I get stuck in a "support" role I rush CDR while trying to have like ~3 wards up. Better CDR lets me shield more and deal more damage.

Well, Lux isn't a good support, even on the fringe case. So there's that.

Anyone is a good support if you're a man.

Especially warwick.
Glorious SEA doto
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
September 29 2013 17:10 GMT
#6253
On September 30 2013 02:07 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2013 02:04 Gahlo wrote:
On September 29 2013 23:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
All this talk of supports makes me wonder if I am doing support lux wrong. Granted its not high MMR, but whenever I get stuck in a "support" role I rush CDR while trying to have like ~3 wards up. Better CDR lets me shield more and deal more damage.

Well, Lux isn't a good support, even on the fringe case. So there's that.

Wut? Lux support is so awesome.
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2013 02:05 Requizen wrote:
On September 30 2013 02:04 Gahlo wrote:
On September 29 2013 23:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
All this talk of supports makes me wonder if I am doing support lux wrong. Granted its not high MMR, but whenever I get stuck in a "support" role I rush CDR while trying to have like ~3 wards up. Better CDR lets me shield more and deal more damage.

Well, Lux isn't a good support, even on the fringe case. So there's that.

Anyone is a good support if you're a man.

Not teemo.

Wei2 confirmed for lacking manliness. Clearly not a believer in the church of Lovelin.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 29 2013 17:16 GMT
#6254
On September 30 2013 02:10 Haiq343 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2013 02:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 30 2013 02:04 Gahlo wrote:
On September 29 2013 23:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
All this talk of supports makes me wonder if I am doing support lux wrong. Granted its not high MMR, but whenever I get stuck in a "support" role I rush CDR while trying to have like ~3 wards up. Better CDR lets me shield more and deal more damage.

Well, Lux isn't a good support, even on the fringe case. So there's that.

Wut? Lux support is so awesome.
On September 30 2013 02:05 Requizen wrote:
On September 30 2013 02:04 Gahlo wrote:
On September 29 2013 23:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
All this talk of supports makes me wonder if I am doing support lux wrong. Granted its not high MMR, but whenever I get stuck in a "support" role I rush CDR while trying to have like ~3 wards up. Better CDR lets me shield more and deal more damage.

Well, Lux isn't a good support, even on the fringe case. So there's that.

Anyone is a good support if you're a man.

Not teemo.

Wei2 confirmed for lacking manliness. Clearly not a believer in the church of Lovelin.

He probably doesn't even do the daily dose of tower dive.
Glorious SEA doto
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
September 29 2013 17:29 GMT
#6255
Finally getting a chance to catch some of the quarters (Imma watch VODS of semis later), but damn Meteos jungle style is so fun/interesting to watch imo. Refreshing to see imo rather than the heavy gank/camp style and/or + Mobi boots style.

Are there any other (specifically) Chinese/Korean junglers with a similar style as Meteos?
Forever Young
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 29 2013 17:30 GMT
#6256
On September 30 2013 02:29 sung_moon wrote:
Finally getting a chance to catch some of the quarters (Imma watch VODS of semis later), but damn Meteos jungle style is so fun/interesting to watch imo. Refreshing to see imo rather than the heavy gank/camp style and/or + Mobi boots style.

Are there any other (specifically) Chinese/Korean junglers with a similar style as Meteos?

No one else in the world has Meteos's style. It's style that requires sacrifice in lane selection.
liftlift > tsm
Zizoz
Profile Joined June 2012
United States232 Posts
September 29 2013 18:06 GMT
#6257
I like to cap CDR on supports if I can since it lets me get more spells off in a fight. If I'm having mana problems I'll buy chalice but it's not often necessary.
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
September 29 2013 18:06 GMT
#6258
On September 30 2013 02:04 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 23:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
All this talk of supports makes me wonder if I am doing support lux wrong. Granted its not high MMR, but whenever I get stuck in a "support" role I rush CDR while trying to have like ~3 wards up. Better CDR lets me shield more and deal more damage.

Well, Lux isn't a good support, even on the fringe case. So there's that.

What? Shes awesome. 300+hp shield every 6 seconds, crazy burst to open with and decent control
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
September 29 2013 18:09 GMT
#6259
On September 30 2013 02:29 sung_moon wrote:
Finally getting a chance to catch some of the quarters (Imma watch VODS of semis later), but damn Meteos jungle style is so fun/interesting to watch imo. Refreshing to see imo rather than the heavy gank/camp style and/or + Mobi boots style.

Are there any other (specifically) Chinese/Korean junglers with a similar style as Meteos?

No because its an awful style that crumbles against competent laners...
TranslatorBaa!
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 29 2013 18:14 GMT
#6260
On September 30 2013 03:09 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2013 02:29 sung_moon wrote:
Finally getting a chance to catch some of the quarters (Imma watch VODS of semis later), but damn Meteos jungle style is so fun/interesting to watch imo. Refreshing to see imo rather than the heavy gank/camp style and/or + Mobi boots style.

Are there any other (specifically) Chinese/Korean junglers with a similar style as Meteos?

No because its an awful style that crumbles against competent laners...

Tabe likes it ;-;
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
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