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On September 28 2013 00:30 Alaric wrote:Jinx's ult does barely less damage than Graves' if it can ramp up... before you take the %missing health part into the equation. And it's global. With a shorter cooldown. On someone who has more range to begin with. Yeah Riot completely missed the goddamn ball on that one, 1s is easy to get if you've got somebody like Malphite on your team to initiate and you don't stand too close to the enemy team. Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh my god her VO is fucking fanststic.
Edit: "I'm wearing lotsa belts.....for no reason at all!"
Well done Riot....just fix the face and you've got yourself a first day buy. Was there a reference or something? I didn't get it. ;_; Also from my experience Viktor kinda trashes Fizz, but I'm a scrub + Show Spoiler [at keeping it short so here's a…] +so I'm playing against awful Fizz (like, don't use your E to feel cheeky about dodging my Q, you just gave me a free slow/stun on you while my ult eats away at your face). Hit him hard enough at level 1 with Q and autos that he won't try to level 2 all-in you, then at level 3 since you level Q once again you outtrade him super hard thanks to the shield and some autos, and after that you're safe till 6.
Then he can kill you easily assuming he has the damage to burst you, but if he tries to ult you from far away you can dropy our W in the way and he'll have to burn his E to get in melee range so he loses his maxed spell's damage and can't deny you your shield, which can let you survive (or outright kill him if you managed to poke him before hand).
You really don't want to try and E him at short range though, because either you're so close that he can Q you and get his full combo off for free, or he'll be able to use his E to both dodge yours and damage you, and end result is the same (save for the part where you can stun and kill him if your jungler is there). You can easily push him to tower then roam, or try to harass him with max range lasers that won't let him reach you if he uses Playful/Trickster to dodge them tho. Regarding Viktor vs Lissandra, I haven't played the match-up yet but from numbers and range (and how post-laning plays out against similar champs) I'd say: + Show Spoiler [Don't say it with flowers, say i…] +
- Advantage Liss pre-Augment, Viktor's pushing is horrendously mana-inefficient so she can pressure him easily while staying safe. Because her Q is quick with a slow and longer range than his he can't punish her last hits as easily as other champs (walk up -> Q+aa at level 1 often scares people).
- Post-augment Viktor can outpush her, assuming he gets blue buff to offset his mana problems. I still don't see him easily getting in range of her without eating poke, but he can push and roam. If she tries to use E offensively I assume he can prevent her from teleporting too close by dropping his W near the max-range area and walking away from the mid-range one (so she has to get close to him herself).
- If she has to use her ult defensively, he can drop W under her. I don't know how it works, but if she accumulates stacks while being untargetable she'll get stunned as soon as she exits her ice casing, otherwise she prob can just E out quickly.
- If he gets the jump on her she can negate a bunch of damage with her ult and disengage (if she rushes Abyssal I don't see him being able to kill her before she cc him/Es away), if she gets the jump on him he can probably survive the burst (a single rotation usually isn't enough for her to kill, and Viktor's Q is actually quite helpful) but I'm thinking she can prob chase him and finish him off pretty easily.
- Overall she's has much more utility than him, and prob not much less damage outside of his power spikes, she also scales way better in the late game, and point'n'click and/or immediate hard cc give her more synergistic comps than him. Liss can shrug about not winning lane because she's so good later on anyway, but Viktor needs to bully and win his lane (or if behind, punish super hard during his power spikes than momentiraly let him catch up) to make up for his weak late game, so the simple fact that she probably forces him into a farm fest or a defensive stance in lane makes her stronger than him in my book.
To be fair, she has no dash and her snare seems not that hard to avoid. But yeah she looks fucking awesome.
The belts thing is an anime/JRPG trope. Belts and Zippers on fucking everythiiings
Yeah I can't see Fizz being too hard of a matchup depending on skill. Viktor isn't as good at dealing with assassins as Liss is, but W + R mean any combo/burst champions really can't dive unless I'm full OOM or shit about my CDs.
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On September 28 2013 00:32 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 00:23 Requizen wrote:On September 28 2013 00:20 Lylat wrote:
I watched Dyrus stream a bit and couldn't handle more than 5mins of his non stop whining (and I'm not exaggerating). I didn't remember him being that bitter, disappointing :/ Worlds + Show Spoiler +If you had their performance on the World stage over a week you'd be bitter too imo.
#blameregi + Show Spoiler +Did you see Dyrus' KDA?
Totes his fault.
Once people realized that Dyrus on bruisers carries harder than Regi on Mages/Assassins, the camping began.
Seriously, imo.
Edit was this seriously my 9k post?
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On September 28 2013 00:39 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 00:30 Alaric wrote:Jinx's ult does barely less damage than Graves' if it can ramp up... before you take the %missing health part into the equation. And it's global. With a shorter cooldown. On someone who has more range to begin with. Yeah Riot completely missed the goddamn ball on that one, 1s is easy to get if you've got somebody like Malphite on your team to initiate and you don't stand too close to the enemy team. On September 27 2013 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh my god her VO is fucking fanststic.
Edit: "I'm wearing lotsa belts.....for no reason at all!"
Well done Riot....just fix the face and you've got yourself a first day buy. Was there a reference or something? I didn't get it. ;_; Also from my experience Viktor kinda trashes Fizz, but I'm a scrub + Show Spoiler [at keeping it short so here's a…] +so I'm playing against awful Fizz (like, don't use your E to feel cheeky about dodging my Q, you just gave me a free slow/stun on you while my ult eats away at your face). Hit him hard enough at level 1 with Q and autos that he won't try to level 2 all-in you, then at level 3 since you level Q once again you outtrade him super hard thanks to the shield and some autos, and after that you're safe till 6.
Then he can kill you easily assuming he has the damage to burst you, but if he tries to ult you from far away you can dropy our W in the way and he'll have to burn his E to get in melee range so he loses his maxed spell's damage and can't deny you your shield, which can let you survive (or outright kill him if you managed to poke him before hand).
You really don't want to try and E him at short range though, because either you're so close that he can Q you and get his full combo off for free, or he'll be able to use his E to both dodge yours and damage you, and end result is the same (save for the part where you can stun and kill him if your jungler is there). You can easily push him to tower then roam, or try to harass him with max range lasers that won't let him reach you if he uses Playful/Trickster to dodge them tho. Regarding Viktor vs Lissandra, I haven't played the match-up yet but from numbers and range (and how post-laning plays out against similar champs) I'd say: + Show Spoiler [Don't say it with flowers, say i…] +
- Advantage Liss pre-Augment, Viktor's pushing is horrendously mana-inefficient so she can pressure him easily while staying safe. Because her Q is quick with a slow and longer range than his he can't punish her last hits as easily as other champs (walk up -> Q+aa at level 1 often scares people).
- Post-augment Viktor can outpush her, assuming he gets blue buff to offset his mana problems. I still don't see him easily getting in range of her without eating poke, but he can push and roam. If she tries to use E offensively I assume he can prevent her from teleporting too close by dropping his W near the max-range area and walking away from the mid-range one (so she has to get close to him herself).
- If she has to use her ult defensively, he can drop W under her. I don't know how it works, but if she accumulates stacks while being untargetable she'll get stunned as soon as she exits her ice casing, otherwise she prob can just E out quickly.
- If he gets the jump on her she can negate a bunch of damage with her ult and disengage (if she rushes Abyssal I don't see him being able to kill her before she cc him/Es away), if she gets the jump on him he can probably survive the burst (a single rotation usually isn't enough for her to kill, and Viktor's Q is actually quite helpful) but I'm thinking she can prob chase him and finish him off pretty easily.
- Overall she's has much more utility than him, and prob not much less damage outside of his power spikes, she also scales way better in the late game, and point'n'click and/or immediate hard cc give her more synergistic comps than him. Liss can shrug about not winning lane because she's so good later on anyway, but Viktor needs to bully and win his lane (or if behind, punish super hard during his power spikes than momentiraly let him catch up) to make up for his weak late game, so the simple fact that she probably forces him into a farm fest or a defensive stance in lane makes her stronger than him in my book. To be fair, she has no dash and her snare seems not that hard to avoid. But yeah she looks fucking awesome. The belts thing is an anime/JRPG trope. Belts and Zippers on fucking everythiiings Yeah I can't see Fizz being too hard of a matchup depending on skill. Viktor isn't as good at dealing with assassins as Liss is, but W + R mean any combo/burst champions really can't dive unless I'm full OOM or shit about my CDs.
The belts thing is actually making fun of Caitlyn. (which itself is the trope thing you were talking about).
As far as her being OP goes, I'm assuming her numbers will be tweaked. No reason to think she's going live as is.
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On September 28 2013 00:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 00:39 Requizen wrote:On September 28 2013 00:30 Alaric wrote:Jinx's ult does barely less damage than Graves' if it can ramp up... before you take the %missing health part into the equation. And it's global. With a shorter cooldown. On someone who has more range to begin with. Yeah Riot completely missed the goddamn ball on that one, 1s is easy to get if you've got somebody like Malphite on your team to initiate and you don't stand too close to the enemy team. On September 27 2013 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh my god her VO is fucking fanststic.
Edit: "I'm wearing lotsa belts.....for no reason at all!"
Well done Riot....just fix the face and you've got yourself a first day buy. Was there a reference or something? I didn't get it. ;_; Also from my experience Viktor kinda trashes Fizz, but I'm a scrub + Show Spoiler [at keeping it short so here's a…] +so I'm playing against awful Fizz (like, don't use your E to feel cheeky about dodging my Q, you just gave me a free slow/stun on you while my ult eats away at your face). Hit him hard enough at level 1 with Q and autos that he won't try to level 2 all-in you, then at level 3 since you level Q once again you outtrade him super hard thanks to the shield and some autos, and after that you're safe till 6.
Then he can kill you easily assuming he has the damage to burst you, but if he tries to ult you from far away you can dropy our W in the way and he'll have to burn his E to get in melee range so he loses his maxed spell's damage and can't deny you your shield, which can let you survive (or outright kill him if you managed to poke him before hand).
You really don't want to try and E him at short range though, because either you're so close that he can Q you and get his full combo off for free, or he'll be able to use his E to both dodge yours and damage you, and end result is the same (save for the part where you can stun and kill him if your jungler is there). You can easily push him to tower then roam, or try to harass him with max range lasers that won't let him reach you if he uses Playful/Trickster to dodge them tho. Regarding Viktor vs Lissandra, I haven't played the match-up yet but from numbers and range (and how post-laning plays out against similar champs) I'd say: + Show Spoiler [Don't say it with flowers, say i…] +
- Advantage Liss pre-Augment, Viktor's pushing is horrendously mana-inefficient so she can pressure him easily while staying safe. Because her Q is quick with a slow and longer range than his he can't punish her last hits as easily as other champs (walk up -> Q+aa at level 1 often scares people).
- Post-augment Viktor can outpush her, assuming he gets blue buff to offset his mana problems. I still don't see him easily getting in range of her without eating poke, but he can push and roam. If she tries to use E offensively I assume he can prevent her from teleporting too close by dropping his W near the max-range area and walking away from the mid-range one (so she has to get close to him herself).
- If she has to use her ult defensively, he can drop W under her. I don't know how it works, but if she accumulates stacks while being untargetable she'll get stunned as soon as she exits her ice casing, otherwise she prob can just E out quickly.
- If he gets the jump on her she can negate a bunch of damage with her ult and disengage (if she rushes Abyssal I don't see him being able to kill her before she cc him/Es away), if she gets the jump on him he can probably survive the burst (a single rotation usually isn't enough for her to kill, and Viktor's Q is actually quite helpful) but I'm thinking she can prob chase him and finish him off pretty easily.
- Overall she's has much more utility than him, and prob not much less damage outside of his power spikes, she also scales way better in the late game, and point'n'click and/or immediate hard cc give her more synergistic comps than him. Liss can shrug about not winning lane because she's so good later on anyway, but Viktor needs to bully and win his lane (or if behind, punish super hard during his power spikes than momentiraly let him catch up) to make up for his weak late game, so the simple fact that she probably forces him into a farm fest or a defensive stance in lane makes her stronger than him in my book. To be fair, she has no dash and her snare seems not that hard to avoid. But yeah she looks fucking awesome. The belts thing is an anime/JRPG trope. Belts and Zippers on fucking everythiiings Yeah I can't see Fizz being too hard of a matchup depending on skill. Viktor isn't as good at dealing with assassins as Liss is, but W + R mean any combo/burst champions really can't dive unless I'm full OOM or shit about my CDs. The belts thing is actually making fun of Caitlyn. (which itself is the trope thing you were talking about). As far as her being OP goes, I'm assuming her numbers will be tweaked. No reason to think she's going live as is.
get out of here with your rationality
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On September 28 2013 00:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 00:39 Requizen wrote:On September 28 2013 00:30 Alaric wrote:Jinx's ult does barely less damage than Graves' if it can ramp up... before you take the %missing health part into the equation. And it's global. With a shorter cooldown. On someone who has more range to begin with. Yeah Riot completely missed the goddamn ball on that one, 1s is easy to get if you've got somebody like Malphite on your team to initiate and you don't stand too close to the enemy team. On September 27 2013 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh my god her VO is fucking fanststic.
Edit: "I'm wearing lotsa belts.....for no reason at all!"
Well done Riot....just fix the face and you've got yourself a first day buy. Was there a reference or something? I didn't get it. ;_; Also from my experience Viktor kinda trashes Fizz, but I'm a scrub + Show Spoiler [at keeping it short so here's a…] +so I'm playing against awful Fizz (like, don't use your E to feel cheeky about dodging my Q, you just gave me a free slow/stun on you while my ult eats away at your face). Hit him hard enough at level 1 with Q and autos that he won't try to level 2 all-in you, then at level 3 since you level Q once again you outtrade him super hard thanks to the shield and some autos, and after that you're safe till 6.
Then he can kill you easily assuming he has the damage to burst you, but if he tries to ult you from far away you can dropy our W in the way and he'll have to burn his E to get in melee range so he loses his maxed spell's damage and can't deny you your shield, which can let you survive (or outright kill him if you managed to poke him before hand).
You really don't want to try and E him at short range though, because either you're so close that he can Q you and get his full combo off for free, or he'll be able to use his E to both dodge yours and damage you, and end result is the same (save for the part where you can stun and kill him if your jungler is there). You can easily push him to tower then roam, or try to harass him with max range lasers that won't let him reach you if he uses Playful/Trickster to dodge them tho. Regarding Viktor vs Lissandra, I haven't played the match-up yet but from numbers and range (and how post-laning plays out against similar champs) I'd say: + Show Spoiler [Don't say it with flowers, say i…] +
- Advantage Liss pre-Augment, Viktor's pushing is horrendously mana-inefficient so she can pressure him easily while staying safe. Because her Q is quick with a slow and longer range than his he can't punish her last hits as easily as other champs (walk up -> Q+aa at level 1 often scares people).
- Post-augment Viktor can outpush her, assuming he gets blue buff to offset his mana problems. I still don't see him easily getting in range of her without eating poke, but he can push and roam. If she tries to use E offensively I assume he can prevent her from teleporting too close by dropping his W near the max-range area and walking away from the mid-range one (so she has to get close to him herself).
- If she has to use her ult defensively, he can drop W under her. I don't know how it works, but if she accumulates stacks while being untargetable she'll get stunned as soon as she exits her ice casing, otherwise she prob can just E out quickly.
- If he gets the jump on her she can negate a bunch of damage with her ult and disengage (if she rushes Abyssal I don't see him being able to kill her before she cc him/Es away), if she gets the jump on him he can probably survive the burst (a single rotation usually isn't enough for her to kill, and Viktor's Q is actually quite helpful) but I'm thinking she can prob chase him and finish him off pretty easily.
- Overall she's has much more utility than him, and prob not much less damage outside of his power spikes, she also scales way better in the late game, and point'n'click and/or immediate hard cc give her more synergistic comps than him. Liss can shrug about not winning lane because she's so good later on anyway, but Viktor needs to bully and win his lane (or if behind, punish super hard during his power spikes than momentiraly let him catch up) to make up for his weak late game, so the simple fact that she probably forces him into a farm fest or a defensive stance in lane makes her stronger than him in my book. To be fair, she has no dash and her snare seems not that hard to avoid. But yeah she looks fucking awesome. The belts thing is an anime/JRPG trope. Belts and Zippers on fucking everythiiings Yeah I can't see Fizz being too hard of a matchup depending on skill. Viktor isn't as good at dealing with assassins as Liss is, but W + R mean any combo/burst champions really can't dive unless I'm full OOM or shit about my CDs. The belts thing is actually making fun of Caitlyn. (which itself is the trope thing you were talking about). As far as her being OP goes, I'm assuming her numbers will be tweaked. No reason to think she's going live as is.
Nope shipped tomorrow with current stats and numbers. Gotta get them OP sales
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On September 28 2013 00:14 TheYango wrote:
Fluid farm allocation happens midgame, if you're trying to shift farm when people are at 6 items, it's too late. Plus it depends a lot on WHICH support you have. There are supports that are way better at farming than others, but in general people have not considered this when choosing supports.
It's a bit too much to ask for teams to draft for late game support farming when the vast majority of games are end before 40-45 minutes.
With rare exceptions, no team is drafting for 6 items on everyone, and it's perfectly reasonable to assume "6 item support" is not a factor that's gonna come into play, and certainly not worth elevating one support above the other solely on that basis imo.
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Viktor actually can't do anything to Zed. And I assume he wouldn't handle LeBlanc well either (only played it once so I got predictably trashed) because he is so reliant on Augment:Death to start pushing/competing (as in "enough damage to one shot the wave > enough mana to E twice as often") and she will force early MR from him.
+ Show Spoiler [Other assassins] +Diana is probably a pretty shit match-up (she has a shield, it's enough to fuck with his 1-3 bullying, and she pushes for free compared to him; she can't really 100-0 him and she's melee, but she'll outtrade him so constant fights will drain his mana/drop him low enough that she can kill him first, thanks to her low cooldowns and passive),
Katarina can outplay him (and benefits a lot from sustain openings popularised by s3, match-up was a one-sided stomp from level 1 in s2) but he still holds an edge if he can harass well enough,
Akali he used to be able to harass/bully her enough pre-6 (and her burst is "delayed" as she uses her ult charges so he can stall with W and try to get multiple Q shields to survive her all-in then punish her down time), s3 sustain openings prob help her too but I haven't played the match-up more than twice in s3,
Talon I haven't faced as Viktor, prob weaker before he gets E then forces you to play defensively while trying to get Augment asap.
He deals super well with Ahri though (I'm playing against shit Ahri every single time though so maybe decent ones would roll me) so there's that. The "real" problem is that he usually loses full trades with most champs (only 2 damaging spells, Q range so low it becomes harder to receive the shield before the enemy rotation without stuff like punishing a last hit) and wins when using ult, but the flat 120s cd and the fact he doesn't build early CDR like Grail means if you can make him "waste" his ult on you just to push you away, by playing aggressively/pretending to all-in him, yours is going to be up before his so you'll be able to all-in while he doesn't nearly have the required damage to kill you.
I assume most players don't know about this significant weakness of his because only a handful have tried (generally successfully) to abuse the downtime against me. I'm boned way more often by my team not waiting for my ult to come back before initiating a teamfight/trying to force a drake, in fact. 
And Buccellati has a pretty good reason for spamming zippers on everything!
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On September 28 2013 00:55 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 00:14 TheYango wrote:
Fluid farm allocation happens midgame, if you're trying to shift farm when people are at 6 items, it's too late. Plus it depends a lot on WHICH support you have. There are supports that are way better at farming than others, but in general people have not considered this when choosing supports. It's a bit too much to ask for teams to draft for late game support farming when the vast majority of games are end before 40-45 minutes. With rare exceptions, no team is drafting for 6 items on everyone, and it's perfectly reasonable to assume "6 item support" is not a factor that's gonna come into play, and certainly not worth elevating one support above the other solely on that basis imo.
I wasn't even saying they should draft that way, just pointing out that they don't.
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On September 28 2013 00:40 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 00:32 Lord Tolkien wrote:On September 28 2013 00:23 Requizen wrote:On September 28 2013 00:20 Lylat wrote:
I watched Dyrus stream a bit and couldn't handle more than 5mins of his non stop whining (and I'm not exaggerating). I didn't remember him being that bitter, disappointing :/ Worlds + Show Spoiler +If you had their performance on the World stage over a week you'd be bitter too imo.
#blameregi + Show Spoiler +Did you see Dyrus' KDA?
Totes his fault. Once people realized that Dyrus on bruisers carries harder than Regi on Mages/Assassins, the camping began. Seriously, imo. Edit was this seriously my 9k post?
FOR DYRUS?
ALWAYS WORTH
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On September 28 2013 01:04 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 00:55 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 28 2013 00:14 TheYango wrote:
Fluid farm allocation happens midgame, if you're trying to shift farm when people are at 6 items, it's too late. Plus it depends a lot on WHICH support you have. There are supports that are way better at farming than others, but in general people have not considered this when choosing supports. It's a bit too much to ask for teams to draft for late game support farming when the vast majority of games are end before 40-45 minutes. With rare exceptions, no team is drafting for 6 items on everyone, and it's perfectly reasonable to assume "6 item support" is not a factor that's gonna come into play, and certainly not worth elevating one support above the other solely on that basis imo. I wasn't even saying they should draft that way, just pointing out that they don't.
Well then you're just being flippant
"in general people have not considered this when choosing supports" definitely implies that people -should- be considernig it.
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Looking at Jinx's kit, I have to say it looks as a whole interesting.
The choice between long range, at the cost of mana, and her only steroid (at the cost of Graves/Quinn range), and general lack of positioning tools makes her a definite new playstyle in the role. Her ultimate seems hilarious to use.
Her numbers need tweaking, though. The largest change I'd feel is to increase the cooldown on her Q's switching (to force more strategic stance switching), and that her W's CD or slow% & duration need to be hit. Her E depends on the setup time and how it spaces and zones.
Outside of that, it's mostly just a number tweaking game.
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On September 28 2013 01:00 Alaric wrote:Viktor actually can't do anything to Zed. And I assume he wouldn't handle LeBlanc well either (only played it once so I got predictably trashed) because he is so reliant on Augment: Death to start pushing/competing (as in "enough damage to one shot the wave > enough mana to E twice as often") and she will force early MR from him. + Show Spoiler [Other assassins] +Diana is probably a pretty shit match-up (she has a shield, it's enough to fuck with his 1-3 bullying, and she pushes for free compared to him; she can't really 100-0 him and she's melee, but she'll outtrade him so constant fights will drain his mana/drop him low enough that she can kill him first, thanks to her low cooldowns and passive),
Katarina can outplay him (and benefits a lot from sustain openings popularised by s3, match-up was a one-sided stomp from level 1 in s2) but he still holds an edge if he can harass well enough,
Akali he used to be able to harass/bully her enough pre-6 (and her burst is "delayed" as she uses her ult charges so he can stall with W and try to get multiple Q shields to survive her all-in then punish her down time), s3 sustain openings prob help her too but I haven't played the match-up more than twice in s3,
Talon I haven't faced as Viktor, prob weaker before he gets E then forces you to play defensively while trying to get Augment asap. He deals super well with Ahri though (I'm playing against shit Ahri every single time though so maybe decent ones would roll me) so there's that. The "real" problem is that he usually loses full trades with most champs (only 2 damaging spells, Q range so low it becomes harder to receive the shield before the enemy rotation without stuff like punishing a last hit) and wins when using ult, but the flat 120s cd and the fact he doesn't build early CDR like Grail means if you can make him "waste" his ult on you just to push you away, by playing aggressively/pretending to all-in him, yours is going to be up before his so you'll be able to all-in while he doesn't nearly have the required damage to kill you. I assume most players don't know about this significant weakness of his because only a handful have tried (generally successfully) to abuse the downtime against me. I'm boned way more often by my team not waiting for my ult to come back before initiating a teamfight/trying to force a drake, in fact. And Buccellati has a pretty good reason for spamming zippers on everything!
In my experience, Ahri has the upper hand on Viktor for the most part. It's not the worst matchup, but it's far from heavily in his favor.
The basic tl:dr of everything is that in all the matchups Viktor shined in S2, he got completely boned by S3 because of the ease of sustain (flask, boots not needed, etc.) That's not to say he instantly loses his old good matchups, but it's significantly harder for him.
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On September 28 2013 01:14 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
"in general people have not considered this when choosing supports" definitely implies that people -should- be considernig it.
What, no. That statement doesn't have to carry that implication at all.
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Is that Urgot in the back of Mafia Jinx's splash? When was the last time we got an Urgot skin?
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Wait. Wait.
PS - Jinx fun facts
Rocket splash can crit but doesn't apply on-hits in the AoE
Wait. 110% damage AoE Crits? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm excited for this champion and all but holy fuck does that sound broken as hell.
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On September 28 2013 01:32 Requizen wrote:Wait. Wait. Show nested quote +PS - Jinx fun facts
Rocket splash can crit but doesn't apply on-hits in the AoE Wait. 110% damage AoE Crits? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm excited for this champion and all but holy fuck does that sound broken as hell.
Depends on the AoE radius. If it's something like 50 or 75 radius, it's fairly negligible.
As I said, with this champ, it's going to be all about the numbers tweaking.
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On September 28 2013 01:36 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 01:32 Requizen wrote:Wait. Wait. PS - Jinx fun facts
Rocket splash can crit but doesn't apply on-hits in the AoE Wait. 110% damage AoE Crits? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm excited for this champion and all but holy fuck does that sound broken as hell. Depends on the AoE radius. If it's something like 50 or 75 radius, it's fairly negligible. As I said, with this champ, it's going to be all about the numbers tweaking.
I mean sure, it'll probably be the radius of Trist's Explosive Shot passive. But still, the AoE comp bullshit that one could pull off with IE/PD Jinx is fairly fucking insane to think about.
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Twitch's attacks will pass through any structures and terrain, but will not damage structures unless they were directly targeted for the attack.
Possible bug: Twitch's attacks to the nexus during spray and pray will deal no damage.
Possible bug: If Twitch targets an enemy unit other than a tower, and the bolt passes through the tower, it is possible to critically strike the tower.
I thought Twitch could use Spray and Pray to attack both nexus towers at once? Is the wiki wrong?
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On September 28 2013 01:28 Requizen wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Is that Urgot in the back of Mafia Jinx's splash? When was the last time we got an Urgot skin?
I think it's hecarim.
On September 28 2013 01:32 Requizen wrote:Wait. Wait. Show nested quote +PS - Jinx fun facts
Rocket splash can crit but doesn't apply on-hits in the AoE Wait. 110% damage AoE Crits? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm excited for this champion and all but holy fuck does that sound broken as hell.
Does Hydra's AoE crit?
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On September 28 2013 01:45 wei2coolman wrote:I think it's hecarim. Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 01:32 Requizen wrote:Wait. Wait. PS - Jinx fun facts
Rocket splash can crit but doesn't apply on-hits in the AoE Wait. 110% damage AoE Crits? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm excited for this champion and all but holy fuck does that sound broken as hell. Does Hydra's AoE crit?
Old Tiamat would, not new one.
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