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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On September 27 2013 23:59 AsmodeusXI wrote: riot pls add in the ability to buy from enemy fountain I thought you could. You an click their shop (you just die before getting in range to use it. Their shop range seems smaller than yours). | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On September 28 2013 00:10 JimmiC wrote: I always find it odd how once people have full build they still farm like crazy, Why not push that farm to your support or jungler, or who ever is not full build at that point? Its like people are CS robots and can't stop even though after full build it's really bad for your team to have you getting the farm. It's not different then not getting it at all. (yes I know there pots and orcles but thats cheap you don't need 700 farm for that crap you can be full build at like 300 ish farm.) Most of the time this happens, but there are some legitimate times in which you just need someone max items to clear waves more efficiently. Supports and Junglers with no damage items have a really hard time late game dealing with creep waves and supers. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 27 2013 23:49 AsmodeusXI wrote: Pansy Aatrox. Where's the Lovelin build? Edit: 20.5K on Fiddle = Mobos/Sightstone. S4 Support Items Riot pls Clearly the moral of this match is #FreeLantyr. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 28 2013 00:10 JimmiC wrote: I always find it odd how once people have full build they still farm like crazy, Why not push that farm to your support or jungler, or who ever is not full build at that point? Its like people are CS robots and can't stop even though after full build it's really bad for your team to have you getting the farm. It's not different then not getting it at all. (yes I know there pots and orcles but thats cheap you don't need 700 farm for that crap you can be full build at like 300 ish farm.) Because at that stage of the game, lane pressure is a big concern, and by and large, full build heroes push out lanes much faster. If your jungler or support can't kill the wave in one round of spells and has to sit there autoattacking/waiting for a second rotation of spells, it starts to open up a lot of things for the enemy team to exploit. The danger is more than that creep wave is usually worth. Fluid farm allocation happens midgame, if you're trying to shift farm when people are at 6 items, it's too late. Plus it depends a lot on WHICH support you have. There are supports that are way better at farming than others, but in general people have not considered this when choosing supports. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 28 2013 00:10 JimmiC wrote: I always find it odd how once people have full build they still farm like crazy, Why not push that farm to your support or jungler, or who ever is not full build at that point? Its like people are CS robots and can't stop even though after full build it's really bad for your team to have you getting the farm. It's not different then not getting it at all. (yes I know there pots and orcles but thats cheap you don't need 700 farm for that crap you can be full build at like 300 ish farm.) The problem is (I wasn't watching) but it seems most likely on gragas could reliably clear so he ended up getting most of the farm, they probably didn't have time to give it to the full tank aatrox or support. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 28 2013 00:15 TheYango wrote: Zyra is actually one of the better farming supports if she has a chance to buy items earlier on. I remember during season 2 when EG was still afk stall as CLG.EU sometimes when krepo was on zyra he'd have lots of AP items just because of how long it lasted. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 28 2013 00:17 zodde wrote: And fiddle sucks at farming no matter how many items he has lol, 100 cs fiddle is an acomplishment Doesn't he get farm when he ultis into a creep wave? :D | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 28 2013 00:17 zodde wrote: And fiddle sucks at farming no matter how many items he has lol, 100 cs fiddle is an acomplishment Crowstorm the creeps! | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 28 2013 00:20 Lylat wrote: I watched Dyrus stream a bit and couldn't handle more than 5mins of his non stop whining (and I'm not exaggerating). I didn't remember him being that bitter, disappointing :/ Worlds might have had more of an impact on TSM morale than they showed, especially dyrus he must have felt pretty bad failing on two champs that are supposed to be his best. Especially that 0/10/1 vs OMG. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 28 2013 00:20 Lylat wrote: I watched Dyrus stream a bit and couldn't handle more than 5mins of his non stop whining (and I'm not exaggerating). I didn't remember him being that bitter, disappointing :/ Worlds + Show Spoiler + If you had their performance on the World stage over a week you'd be bitter too imo. #blameregi | ||
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Simberto
Germany12061 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Yeah Riot completely missed the goddamn ball on that one, 1s is easy to get if you've got somebody like Malphite on your team to initiate and you don't stand too close to the enemy team. On September 27 2013 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh my god her VO is fucking fanststic. Edit: "I'm wearing lotsa belts.....for no reason at all!" Well done Riot....just fix the face and you've got yourself a first day buy. Was there a reference or something? I didn't get it. ;_; Also from my experience Viktor kinda trashes Fizz, but I'm a scrub + Show Spoiler [at keeping it short so here's a…] + so I'm playing against awful Fizz (like, don't use your E to feel cheeky about dodging my Q, you just gave me a free slow/stun on you while my ult eats away at your face). Hit him hard enough at level 1 with Q and autos that he won't try to level 2 all-in you, then at level 3 since you level Q once again you outtrade him super hard thanks to the shield and some autos, and after that you're safe till 6. Then he can kill you easily assuming he has the damage to burst you, but if he tries to ult you from far away you can dropy our W in the way and he'll have to burn his E to get in melee range so he loses his maxed spell's damage and can't deny you your shield, which can let you survive (or outright kill him if you managed to poke him before hand). You really don't want to try and E him at short range though, because either you're so close that he can Q you and get his full combo off for free, or he'll be able to use his E to both dodge yours and damage you, and end result is the same (save for the part where you can stun and kill him if your jungler is there). You can easily push him to tower then roam, or try to harass him with max range lasers that won't let him reach you if he uses Playful/Trickster to dodge them tho. Regarding Viktor vs Lissandra, I haven't played the match-up yet but from numbers and range (and how post-laning plays out against similar champs) I'd say:+ Show Spoiler [Don't say it with flowers, say i…] + - Advantage Liss pre-Augment, Viktor's pushing is horrendously mana-inefficient so she can pressure him easily while staying safe. Because her Q is quick with a slow and longer range than his he can't punish her last hits as easily as other champs (walk up -> Q+aa at level 1 often scares people). - Post-augment Viktor can outpush her, assuming he gets blue buff to offset his mana problems. I still don't see him easily getting in range of her without eating poke, but he can push and roam. If she tries to use E offensively I assume he can prevent her from teleporting too close by dropping his W near the max-range area and walking away from the mid-range one (so she has to get close to him herself). - If she has to use her ult defensively, he can drop W under her. I don't know how it works, but if she accumulates stacks while being untargetable she'll get stunned as soon as she exits her ice casing, otherwise she prob can just E out quickly. - If he gets the jump on her she can negate a bunch of damage with her ult and disengage (if she rushes Abyssal I don't see him being able to kill her before she cc him/Es away), if she gets the jump on him he can probably survive the burst (a single rotation usually isn't enough for her to kill, and Viktor's Q is actually quite helpful) but I'm thinking she can prob chase him and finish him off pretty easily. - Overall she's has much more utility than him, and prob not much less damage outside of his power spikes, she also scales way better in the late game, and point'n'click and/or immediate hard cc give her more synergistic comps than him. Liss can shrug about not winning lane because she's so good later on anyway, but Viktor needs to bully and win his lane (or if behind, punish super hard during his power spikes than momentiraly let him catch up) to make up for his weak late game, so the simple fact that she probably forces him into a farm fest or a defensive stance in lane makes her stronger than him in my book. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On September 28 2013 00:23 Requizen wrote: Worlds + Show Spoiler + If you had their performance on the World stage over a week you'd be bitter too imo. #blameregi + Show Spoiler + Did you see Dyrus' KDA? Totes his fault. On September 28 2013 00:11 Roffles wrote: Most of the time this happens, but there are some legitimate times in which you just need someone max items to clear waves more efficiently. Supports and Junglers with no damage items have a really hard time late game dealing with creep waves and supers. Indeed. For ADCs, usually the extra farm gets channeled into a Zephyr to replace boots, but in general, supports and jungles just don't have an easy time clearing waves. How long do you think it would take Sona to clear waves late game? <__<; | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
So far the lanes I've found to be difficult are: Leblanc Syndra Pantheon Long range mages like Lux/Orianna/Brand?/etc aren't really scary but they are annoying, because it's hard for Lissandra to engage. I still think it's easier for her to engage than it is for most champions though. What seems to be most difficult for her is lanes that can do a lot of damage in a short trade. Lissandra's "short trade" is like, Q+auto. She can do a scary all in, but if you can outrange and outdamage her with consistent short trades like LB/Syndra/Panth can, you can bully her out of the lane very well. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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