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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
September 26 2013 17:35 GMT
#5461
I can't believe how squishy you guys build nasus. Trinity hasn't been standard on him since s1, let alone ridiculous shit like ie or botrk, because it's since been recognized that you just get tanky instead of wasting money trying to build to increase such high scaling base damage.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 26 2013 17:38 GMT
#5462
On September 27 2013 02:35 UniversalSnip wrote:
I can't believe how squishy you guys build nasus. Trinity hasn't been standard on him since s1, let alone ridiculous shit like ie or botrk, because it's since been recognized that you just get tanky instead of wasting money trying to build to increase such high scaling base damage.

Don't think anyone really advocating it as first item.
It's like shen, if you get sunfire + SV, and you aren't dying. Build TF.
liftlift > tsm
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 17:39:57
September 26 2013 17:38 GMT
#5463
I think the advocacy for Trinity on Nasus is that 10% CDR is awkward on him since Frozen Heart + Visage so good.

Whereas, if you're in the jungle and getting 10% CDR from a jungle item, suddenly IBG is neat and Trinity is awkward, also because CDR and Spirit Visage.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 26 2013 17:41 GMT
#5464
On September 27 2013 02:31 UmberBane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 02:02 TheYango wrote:
On September 27 2013 01:55 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I would like to see some more adjustment to the LCS system, to allow for harsher relegation practices to encourage a stronger season performance, but that's unlikely to happen. Would absolutely like to see more during off-season, but eh.

Yeah, Riot kind of did the opposite to keep Curse and CLG in LCS, so...


Yeah, they already got backlash last split for players not having enough job security and all that stuff. I mean, I totally get that it's hard for these players to commit to LCS and drop their job/school just to possibly be done after 3 months and be fucked, I can totally see the difficulties. However, that's one of the many reasons why Koreans/Chinese are so much better, because you can simply be out of the door tomorrow if you start slacking.

It's really hard to find the right balance.

???

Curse and CLG aren't the teams that need "job security". The teams that get screwed over by the relegation system are. Curse and CLG are established names with sponsorship and stream revenue and would still be playing professionally even if the LCS system didn't exist.

If anything, playing favorites for those 2 teams exacerbates the problem by making it harder for new teams to get into the LCS in the first place.
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UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 17:43:44
September 26 2013 17:43 GMT
#5465
Huh then I totally misunderstood you it seems. Just the bottom 3 teams get relegated, don't they? Or did you mean the fact that they get to pick their opponents in the relegation tournament?
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
September 26 2013 17:43 GMT
#5466
Indeed, I think teams facing relegation shouldn't pick the team they play against, but the opposite. It's a lot more interesting then lol this team sucks we pick you so we can keep our spot. If it happens where a big name team gets relegated, I think people might actually start trying to improve. MRN and whatever that other team that got relegated didn't send a message.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 26 2013 17:54 GMT
#5467
On September 27 2013 02:43 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Indeed, I think teams facing relegation shouldn't pick the team they play against, but the opposite. It's a lot more interesting then lol this team sucks we pick you so we can keep our spot. If it happens where a big name team gets relegated, I think people might actually start trying to improve. MRN and whatever that other team that got relegated didn't send a message.

That would actually result in the same thing. The best Challenger team would choose the weakest LCS team, etc.

The problem is that overall this format of each LCS team only playing 1 Challenger team doesn't guarantee that the teams going into LCS are actually the best in attendance. If you had a complete round robin+bracket tournament, you would be more sure of that.
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
September 26 2013 17:55 GMT
#5468
On September 27 2013 02:14 xes wrote:
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On September 27 2013 02:10 Numy wrote:
Thing is you are completely ignoring item buildup and merely looking at the final product which isn't an accurate representation of how a game goes. Looking at finished builds always give a different picture than looking at buildups in respect to the game flow.

IE PD Tryndamere more cost efficient than any of the shiv or bork or hydra garbage everyone tries amirite


It's the truth man. My 20% Tryndamere winrate doesn't lie.
I am the Town Medic.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
September 26 2013 18:04 GMT
#5469
On September 27 2013 02:17 Ketara wrote:
Yeah that's fine, Trinity is good on Nasus.

But Trinity+IBG is not.

What I was saying was that IF you are already getting an IBG on Nasus, and IF you want a second damage item after that, an IE would be better than a Trinity. I never said that you should get IE to the exclusion of either Trinity or IBG, you obviously want one of the two. How was that ever even in question?

Ie is still worse than trinity.Srsly.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 26 2013 18:05 GMT
#5470
On September 27 2013 03:04 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 02:17 Ketara wrote:
Yeah that's fine, Trinity is good on Nasus.

But Trinity+IBG is not.

What I was saying was that IF you are already getting an IBG on Nasus, and IF you want a second damage item after that, an IE would be better than a Trinity. I never said that you should get IE to the exclusion of either Trinity or IBG, you obviously want one of the two. How was that ever even in question?

Ie is still worse than trinity.Srsly.

But math, it does not lie.

Math x Ketarah OTP
It's your boy Guzma!
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
September 26 2013 18:06 GMT
#5471
Surely if you're getting a 2nd damage item on Nasus, LW is the best choice. Hell it's probably the most cost efficient first choice too.
I am the Town Medic.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 18:13:42
September 26 2013 18:12 GMT
#5472
On September 27 2013 03:06 Alzadar wrote:
Surely if you're getting a 2nd damage item on Nasus, LW is the best choice. Hell it's probably the most cost efficient first choice too.


I know right?

Although to be fair, I'd be willing to entertain the notion that Black Cleaver is actually better on Nasus, assuming you arent CDR capped. Spirit fire is armor reduction rather than armor pen, which is factored before % armor pen, making the difference in armor shred between BC and LW smaller, and BC also has the 10 armor pen, HP, CDR, more AD, etc.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
September 26 2013 18:15 GMT
#5473
what the
actual
fuck
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 18:16:55
September 26 2013 18:16 GMT
#5474
Nasus itemisation is like the eternal debate of LoL, his kit is so fundamentally good you can totally wing it.
Glorious SEA doto
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 18:17:43
September 26 2013 18:17 GMT
#5475
On September 27 2013 03:16 Fusilero wrote:
Nasus itemisation is like the eternal debate of LoL, Wither and Q farming is so fundamentally good you can totally wing it.


ftfy
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
September 26 2013 18:17 GMT
#5476
Woke up to see a bunch of posts, assumed roster swaps were announce. Turns out people are talking about dumb items on shitty champs. I'm going back to sleep, screw you guys.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 26 2013 18:17 GMT
#5477
On September 27 2013 03:17 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 03:16 Fusilero wrote:
Nasus itemisation is like the eternal debate of LoL, Wither and Q farming is so fundamentally good you can totally wing it.


ftfy

Don't count out the ult son, constant % health burn huuurts.
Glorious SEA doto
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 18:18:43
September 26 2013 18:18 GMT
#5478
On September 27 2013 03:17 Gahlo wrote:
Woke up to see a bunch of posts, assumed roster swaps were announce. Turns out people are talking about dumb items on shitty champs. I'm going back to sleep, screw you guys.


Don't forget that bit about "hao 2 pley LoL" :D

On September 27 2013 03:17 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 03:17 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On September 27 2013 03:16 Fusilero wrote:
Nasus itemisation is like the eternal debate of LoL, Wither and Q farming is so fundamentally good you can totally wing it.


ftfy

Don't count out the ult son, constant % health burn huuurts.


Yeah, but every champ has % health dmg so w/e

+ Show Spoiler +
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 26 2013 18:19 GMT
#5479
On September 27 2013 03:18 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 03:17 Gahlo wrote:
Woke up to see a bunch of posts, assumed roster swaps were announce. Turns out people are talking about dumb items on shitty champs. I'm going back to sleep, screw you guys.


Don't forget that bit about "hao 2 pley LoL" :D


To be fair, that part was worth reading.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 26 2013 18:20 GMT
#5480
On September 27 2013 03:17 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 03:17 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On September 27 2013 03:16 Fusilero wrote:
Nasus itemisation is like the eternal debate of LoL, Wither and Q farming is so fundamentally good you can totally wing it.


ftfy

Don't count out the ult son, constant % health burn huuurts.

shit son Amumu has that on a toggle

Mummy OP
It's your boy Guzma!
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