[Patch 3.11] General Discussion - Page 129

On September 13 2013 06:41 LoCicero wrote:
So I'm pretty confident in saying that Ryze now sucks. His laning got gutted and the movespeed active on his ult really does not make up for it in any way/shape/form.

That being said, I agree with the range nerfs since I think that fits Ryze's style more, but I think Ryze needs to be able to tank up a little more quickly and keep his movespeed as a passive.

Ryze's laning phase got hit really hard with the range nerfs, and I honestly can't place him in any lane. I simply don't think he's effective at much of anything anymore. Top is arguably the only lane in which he makes sense now, but his base stats and mobility are so bad that he's really easy to kill with all the high mobility junglers and laners that exist.

Here are some changes I think would make him pretty cool:

1) Give his ult a passive movespeed buff that doubles when activated (10/20/30 -> 20/40/60)

2) Remove the spellvamp on his ult and give Ryze a shield that scales based on how many spell casts he gets in during the ult (lasts until the end of his ult). Shield Strength: 100+30/150+40/200+50 (numbers will prob need tweaking)

3) Change the duration of his ult to 6 seconds across the board

3) Change his auto attack range to match his spell range (quality of life change)

4) Buff his base stats (maybe let him get MR/lvl? That seems dangerous to me though)

What do people think?

On September 13 2013 07:08 Ryuu314 wrote:

I feel the same way. Riot always and really underestimates how big an impact hitting ranges hurts champs. Ryze's laning was always suspect due to his base stats but could compensate with his damage and respectable range. I really think Riot should've accompanied the range nerfs with some stat buffs.

The movespeed change on ult sounds pretty cool. It fits thematically with the Riot teasers too :D.

I'm confused about 2. Does Ryze get the shield as soon as he presses ult and it gains 30/40/50 shield hp as he casts spells? Or does it stack up and Ryze gets it all at once when the ult expires? I honestly really like the spellvamp on his ult though. At levels 2~3, if you get some cdr you can use it as a really nice sustain tool. It's especially potent even in fights if you get Visage, which is not a bad buy on Ryze.

3a is neat; currently level 1 ult is honestly pretty pathetic since it's so short you can only really get one spell rotation off plus maybe an extra Q. Dunno if Ryze needs aa range buff; I doubt it's really necessary and would personally rather see more base hp or armor especially since Riot wants to push Ryze as a "mid-range" mage.

I think giving him MR/lvl is really dangerous; Ryze already gets reasonably tanky and it could be overkill. It also is contrary to Riot's balancing history as only melee champs get mr/lvl.

On September 13 2013 11:13 ticklishmusic wrote:
I personally think Nasus + ghost/ult now is scarier than Olaf was even at the height of his FOTM-ness. When wither was a 99% slow it was pretty dumb.

On September 13 2013 11:55 LoCicero wrote:


His ult would give him the shield right away, and then give him the added shield when he does damage to people, lasting for the duration.