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On September 13 2013 02:20 kainzero wrote:
I like Ahri but I don't know how she got to be FOTM.
I prefer mids with better teamfighting but that's just me.
People watch LCS and they figure out how to do combo with her. It's like, when they play her, they get used to "box" situations where they know what to do most of the time. When people figure out a way to never let her get in that box, she'll fall out just like other champs.
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On September 13 2013 03:00 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 02:20 kainzero wrote:
I like Ahri but I don't know how she got to be FOTM.
I prefer mids with better teamfighting but that's just me. People watch LCS and they figure out how to do combo with her. It's like, when they play her, they get used to "box" situations where they know what to do most of the time. When people figure out a way to never let her get in that box, she'll fall out just like other champs.
I'll let everyone in on a secret.
+ Show Spoiler +Don't get hit by charm. It's even more dangerous than getting hit by Morg binding
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On September 13 2013 02:47 5miley wrote:
What runes do you guys run for akali? Also what masteries? I tried 30/0/0 for the lols but it seemed not to work so hot
Quints: Spell Vamp, AP, or MPen/Dual Pen
Marks: MPen/Dual Pen or AD
Seals: Armor
Glyphs: AP, MPen, or MR
I go 23/7/0 for masteries.
It's been a while though. Akali disappeared after the last round of nerfs and basically never came back.
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On September 13 2013 03:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 03:00 canikizu wrote:On September 13 2013 02:20 kainzero wrote:
I like Ahri but I don't know how she got to be FOTM.
I prefer mids with better teamfighting but that's just me. People watch LCS and they figure out how to do combo with her. It's like, when they play her, they get used to "box" situations where they know what to do most of the time. When people figure out a way to never let her get in that box, she'll fall out just like other champs. I'll let everyone in on a secret. + Show Spoiler +Don't get hit by charm. It's even more dangerous than getting hit by Morg binding
Worst part of ganking as Vi is missing Q.
It's your single highest source of damage, and it's also a Denting Blows stack (the 3rd is always the hardest because if you're in range to auto, auto-E is easy as pie). So usually you want to have it charging when you come out, unless you appear so close to them that even with 1.25s charge time you'll still be reasonably close to hit them.
However, because the hitbox and range aren't as convenient as, say, Zac or J4, it's almost impossible to hit by casting outside vision unless they're grossly mispositioned. And your Q goes on a 3s cd if you get hit by anything but a slow during the charge, or full cd during it.
Thanksfully people are bad most of the time and they'd rathe flash preemptively or wait for you to dash and then flash it, rather than simply cc-ing you (Kass' Q, Ahri's charm, whatever, you're slowed anyway and you usually don't have boots yet so you're easy to hit). But against Ahri, for example, it's easier to try and come from behind her, juke her charm, and then start charging your Q even though you likely won't be able to charge hit fully if they're running toward tower.
Usually enough to force back though, or a flash if they're scared.
And then you hit 6 and don't give a damn anymore because you just kill them if your laner hits his stuff.
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On September 13 2013 02:27 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 02:20 kainzero wrote:
I like Ahri but I don't know how she got to be FOTM.
I prefer mids with better teamfighting but that's just me. Every pro mid started picking her in LCS, might have something to do with it.
It had to do with nerfs to other mids (like jayce, khaziks, zed (not to say he isn't still stupidly strong, but less bonkers), and the popularity of TF. Ahri was found to be a "counter" to TF in Korea, thus allowing Koreans to open up another ban for other stuff, while threatening the Ahri pick against TF. Which pretty much had to do with the TF first pick/ban for like X games straight, into no pick/ban for quite a few games in OGN. Then in Korea it transitioned into making Ahri a much stronger overall pick, so rather than keeping her has a "threat pick" against TF, they could pick her earlier on, and made pick/skirmish comps out of her.
EU has always liked Ahri as a pick, even before the whole TF first pick/ban thing.
NA tried to copy Korea, but forgot that NA TF's actually aren't scary.
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On September 13 2013 03:00 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 02:20 kainzero wrote:
I like Ahri but I don't know how she got to be FOTM.
I prefer mids with better teamfighting but that's just me. People watch LCS and they figure out how to do combo with her. It's like, when they play her, they get used to "box" situations where they know what to do most of the time. When people figure out a way to never let her get in that box, she'll fall out just like other champs.
Since I haven't been paying attention to LCS (or much pro LoL lately, for that matter) it seems like Ahri is drafted in heavy pick comps. Granted, the supporting draft pickups are very strong in the meta anyway (Elise/Zac/Thresh/Zyra/Jarvan/Lee Sin) and I think it's led to a resurgence of Vi as well.
Still I think most people are just sheeping off of Ahri picks without considering how the rest of the team is built.
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On September 13 2013 03:26 kainzero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 03:00 canikizu wrote:On September 13 2013 02:20 kainzero wrote:
I like Ahri but I don't know how she got to be FOTM.
I prefer mids with better teamfighting but that's just me. People watch LCS and they figure out how to do combo with her. It's like, when they play her, they get used to "box" situations where they know what to do most of the time. When people figure out a way to never let her get in that box, she'll fall out just like other champs. Since I haven't been paying attention to LCS (or much pro LoL lately, for that matter) it seems like Ahri is drafted in heavy pick comps. Granted, the supporting draft pickups are very strong in the meta anyway (Elise/Zac/Thresh/Zyra/Jarvan/Lee Sin) and I think it's led to a resurgence of Vi as well. Still I think most people are just sheeping off of Ahri picks without considering how the rest of the team is built.
That just has to do with shitty drafting from teams outside of Korea in general, not necessarily Ahri specific.
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On September 13 2013 03:30 JimmiC wrote:
I've heard that Cait is a hard counter to ahri. Assuming this is true, why not put a AP carry bot lane with a support and cait mid? Have like karth free farm bot, or whatever. Why is this bad? I'm assuming it is because no one does it. we did it in a solo game with Kass bot I was lulu and the cait went mid to crush morde. The Kass and Cait carried hard and it was a easy win. But the cait and top lane were all pissy till we started winning. Maybe there is a good reason why not to do this but is it awful to switch your apc and adc if the matchup suggests a better coutner?
Wait, wut? How is Cait a hard counter to Ahri? wut.
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She's versatile enough that it usually doesn't matter, though, especially in soloQ. It's like Zed, as long as you aren't doing a full AD comp there's no drawback to picking him at all.
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mid champs scale better with levels, while your regular adc will scale more with items then levels so it doesnt matter if they share exp.
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On September 13 2013 02:46 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 02:35 Shikyo wrote:
I feel like as she's very skill-based people probably should reconsider playing as her until around plat level, depending somewhat on the person. Since when has that ever stopped mediocre players with overinflated egos from playing a champ?
Low elo Lee sins pls.
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On September 13 2013 03:27 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 03:26 kainzero wrote:On September 13 2013 03:00 canikizu wrote:On September 13 2013 02:20 kainzero wrote:
I like Ahri but I don't know how she got to be FOTM.
I prefer mids with better teamfighting but that's just me. People watch LCS and they figure out how to do combo with her. It's like, when they play her, they get used to "box" situations where they know what to do most of the time. When people figure out a way to never let her get in that box, she'll fall out just like other champs. Since I haven't been paying attention to LCS (or much pro LoL lately, for that matter) it seems like Ahri is drafted in heavy pick comps. Granted, the supporting draft pickups are very strong in the meta anyway (Elise/Zac/Thresh/Zyra/Jarvan/Lee Sin) and I think it's led to a resurgence of Vi as well. Still I think most people are just sheeping off of Ahri picks without considering how the rest of the team is built. That just has to do with shitty drafting from teams outside of Korea in general, not necessarily Ahri specific.
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I was talking about people plugging in Ahri in pubs thinking she's broken when they don't have the team to back her up.
Definitely looking forward to more Lissandra in Worlds though. I feel like she does well in lane and in teamfights against the current popular picks of Ahri/Fizz/Zed.
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On September 13 2013 03:36 kainzero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 03:27 wei2coolman wrote:On September 13 2013 03:26 kainzero wrote:On September 13 2013 03:00 canikizu wrote:On September 13 2013 02:20 kainzero wrote:
I like Ahri but I don't know how she got to be FOTM.
I prefer mids with better teamfighting but that's just me. People watch LCS and they figure out how to do combo with her. It's like, when they play her, they get used to "box" situations where they know what to do most of the time. When people figure out a way to never let her get in that box, she'll fall out just like other champs. Since I haven't been paying attention to LCS (or much pro LoL lately, for that matter) it seems like Ahri is drafted in heavy pick comps. Granted, the supporting draft pickups are very strong in the meta anyway (Elise/Zac/Thresh/Zyra/Jarvan/Lee Sin) and I think it's led to a resurgence of Vi as well. Still I think most people are just sheeping off of Ahri picks without considering how the rest of the team is built. That just has to do with shitty drafting from teams outside of Korea in general, not necessarily Ahri specific. ? I was talking about people plugging in Ahri in pubs thinking she's broken when they don't have the team to back her up. Definitely looking forward to more Lissandra in Worlds though. I feel like she does well in lane and in teamfights against the current popular picks of Ahri/Fizz/Zed.
Has the lissandra bug been fixed?Didn't see any official statement from riot.
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cait is good mid in the way that almost all adcs are really good solo laners mid
doent stop you from most likely getting 1 shot at 6/get ganked if you're not horribly ahead
there is nothing special about the cait-ahri mid matchup that swing it either way beyond the standard interactions between the two
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On September 13 2013 03:30 JimmiC wrote:
I've heard that Cait is a hard counter to ahri. Assuming this is true, why not put a AP carry bot lane with a support and cait mid? Have like karth free farm bot, or whatever. Why is this bad? I'm assuming it is because no one does it. we did it in a solo game with Kass bot I was lulu and the cait went mid to crush morde. The Kass and Cait carried hard and it was a easy win. But the cait and top lane were all pissy till we started winning. Maybe there is a good reason why not to do this but is it awful to switch your apc and adc if the matchup suggests a better coutner?
most of mage/caster champs' damage comes from base numbers on abilities, which you raise by getting XP. most of an adc's damage comes from being able to get highly damaging autoattacks by multiplying AD, AS, and crit, which you achieve by getting gold. Therefore you want your caster champ to be in a solo lane to get the most XP, while your adc can share XP with a support and do fine as long as he can keep the gold flowing.
This is of course assuming people are equally skilled. If the AP+support manage to pick up kills in lane then the fact that it's suboptimal to share XP that way becomes moot.
Of course, there's no reason why you can't do something like send your adc+support mid and have your midlaner 1v2 bot lane.
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On September 13 2013 03:36 kainzero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 03:27 wei2coolman wrote:On September 13 2013 03:26 kainzero wrote:On September 13 2013 03:00 canikizu wrote:On September 13 2013 02:20 kainzero wrote:
I like Ahri but I don't know how she got to be FOTM.
I prefer mids with better teamfighting but that's just me. People watch LCS and they figure out how to do combo with her. It's like, when they play her, they get used to "box" situations where they know what to do most of the time. When people figure out a way to never let her get in that box, she'll fall out just like other champs. Since I haven't been paying attention to LCS (or much pro LoL lately, for that matter) it seems like Ahri is drafted in heavy pick comps. Granted, the supporting draft pickups are very strong in the meta anyway (Elise/Zac/Thresh/Zyra/Jarvan/Lee Sin) and I think it's led to a resurgence of Vi as well. Still I think most people are just sheeping off of Ahri picks without considering how the rest of the team is built. That just has to do with shitty drafting from teams outside of Korea in general, not necessarily Ahri specific. ? I was talking about people plugging in Ahri in pubs thinking she's broken when they don't have the team to back her up. Definitely looking forward to more Lissandra in Worlds though. I feel like she does well in lane and in teamfights against the current popular picks of Ahri/Fizz/Zed.
Oh, okay. Well Ahri is a pretty flexible pick imo, she's optimized in a pick comp, but she's solid in almost every regards. She does enough spread out damage to multiple targets, making her a pretty strong teamfighter. She has pretty decent poke, for tower poking, she's got a great pick cc spell with charm. She doesn't have any glaring weaknesses as far as I can tell.
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On September 13 2013 03:42 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 03:30 JimmiC wrote:
I've heard that Cait is a hard counter to ahri. Assuming this is true, why not put a AP carry bot lane with a support and cait mid? Have like karth free farm bot, or whatever. Why is this bad? I'm assuming it is because no one does it. we did it in a solo game with Kass bot I was lulu and the cait went mid to crush morde. The Kass and Cait carried hard and it was a easy win. But the cait and top lane were all pissy till we started winning. Maybe there is a good reason why not to do this but is it awful to switch your apc and adc if the matchup suggests a better coutner? most of mage/caster champs' damage comes from base numbers on abilities, which you raise by getting XP. most of an adc's damage comes from being able to get highly damaging autoattacks by multiplying AD, AS, and crit, which you achieve by getting gold. Therefore you want your caster champ to be in a solo lane to get the most XP, while your adc can share XP with a support and do fine as long as he can keep the gold flowing. This is of course assuming people are equally skilled. If the AP+support manage to pick up kills in lane then the fact that it's suboptimal to share XP that way becomes moot. Of course, there's no reason why you can't do something like send your adc+support mid and have your midlaner 1v2 bot lane.
This is not entirely accurate, lots of ADCs do benefit from levels, solo lane adc jsut requires a slightly different playstyle/mentality than the farm for 30 minutes in a duo lane style.
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On September 13 2013 03:42 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 03:30 JimmiC wrote:
I've heard that Cait is a hard counter to ahri. Assuming this is true, why not put a AP carry bot lane with a support and cait mid? Have like karth free farm bot, or whatever. Why is this bad? I'm assuming it is because no one does it. we did it in a solo game with Kass bot I was lulu and the cait went mid to crush morde. The Kass and Cait carried hard and it was a easy win. But the cait and top lane were all pissy till we started winning. Maybe there is a good reason why not to do this but is it awful to switch your apc and adc if the matchup suggests a better coutner? most of mage/caster champs' damage comes from base numbers on abilities, which you raise by getting XP. most of an adc's damage comes from being able to get highly damaging autoattacks by multiplying AD, AS, and crit, which you achieve by getting gold. Therefore you want your caster champ to be in a solo lane to get the most XP, while your adc can share XP with a support and do fine as long as he can keep the gold flowing. This is of course assuming people are equally skilled. If the AP+support manage to pick up kills in lane then the fact that it's suboptimal to share XP that way becomes moot. Of course, there's no reason why you can't do something like send your adc+support mid and have your midlaner 1v2 bot lane.
This is a strategy that we tested in TROLLS for like two months.
Basically what we found is:
A - Unless you're getting a bajillion kills, there's only a certain few APs that really like duo lanes, those being the ones with questionable early games and ridiculous late games with items. Ryze and Cassiopeia come to mind. There are others who have a lot of kill potential (Annie) but they sort of play differently.
B - Your ADC mid is good in some matchups and bad in other matchups, so you need to know the mid lane matchup before you decide to do this. Best ADCs for the solo lane are probably Cait, Ez and Tristana.
C - AP+Support typically can't push very well, which makes this strategy vulnerable to laneswaps. You need a toplaner who is extremely good at the 1v2 or their AD+Support duo is going to outpush your AP+Support duo.
Basically in the right circumstances this strategy is doable, but it's a specific composition sort of thing, not a general do it all the time thing.
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