EPTOn August 25 2013 09:06 -Zoda- wrote:
I'd definitely not eat that.
I'd definitely not eat that.
Don't hate it until you try it. SO GOOD.
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Shelke14
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Don't hate it until you try it. SO GOOD. | ||
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tokicheese
Canada739 Posts
OT. BoTRK first on jax still or Trinity now? | ||
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IMoperator
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cLutZ
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This is especially true if they use some sort of dynamic pricing system. | ||
Klonopin
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I started off my lucian games with lucidity boots just because on paper, it seemed like it should work. But greaves seem to be better all around. I tried the bortk to ie that someone else recommended earlier in the thread and out of all the builds ive tried it seems the strongest. I generally get a lw after ie, and then the game is over. I only think bortk is better then an early bt rush because of the active, that self-peel is very strong. I think the way you are supposed to play him is to burst in small windows. He is deceptively tricky to play, but when you land a good combo it does huge damage. And i also think it feels a bit clunky to get everything right, varus felt this way at first too. These days I feel quite at home on varus, so either time will yield the same results with lucian, or riot will make some changes to smooth it out (I cant recall if they changed varus or i just got used to it.) His ult is the most underwhelming aspect of the kit though. Ive gotten a bit better at landing them, but for such a tricky skill shot i fell like the payoff should be a bit more. Like landing an ahri taunt is not easy, but when you do it is very satisfying. I can't say the same about lucian's ult. edit: forgot to mention I've started experimenting with maxing e 2nd. I really like this so far. | ||
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kongoline
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this guy makes very interesting post about adc dominating the game right now, i agree with him its getting out of hand atm | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 25 2013 10:12 kongoline wrote: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3551106 this guy makes very interesting post about adc dominating the game right now, i agree with him its getting out of hand atm The problem is earlygame + BOTRK. Minions need not switch aggro so vigorously when you attack behind the enemy lines. Other than that, ranged AD is fine. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On August 25 2013 10:12 kongoline wrote: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3551106 this guy makes very interesting post about adc dominating the game right now, i agree with him its getting out of hand atm Except AD carries get nerfed too. BT got buffed, IE got nerfed, AS got nerfed, PD got nerfed, lifesteal got nerfed. And every time a pro team brings out the 2 AD carry team comp, they eventually get crushed. It's more like people don't like not being able to react to certain situations and Riot nerfs these things. Riot just nerfs everything into the ground. AD carries too. When Ahri and Diana were too strong mid they got nerfed into the ground. When Cait was too good at taking towers she got nerfed. I can understand what he's saying about how Jayce is a second ADC. He isn't the way people build him now. Muramana LW doesn't have the DPS of IE builds. But he's really an exception in top lane, not a rule. I thought when people play Kennen, they play him AP top, with maybe a few Dblades, or has that changed? | ||
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IMoperator
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IMoperator
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LaNague
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Then they just lose to these AD carries unless they ambush them (and even then you'll die against Vayne unless you can burst her down from full health because of how huge her sustain is). And said carries will keep scaling and scaling and... remain the biggest threats late game. The only reason it's not as prevalent is because mages still have that burst potential to neutralise them if they go too ham in the midgame, and before they get their defensive items (also assassins like Zed who remain able to 100-0 people even at the 6-items mark), but the way a single item can make the champion class supposed to be weakest from base stats and scale the most with items, the strongest 1-item timing one, shows that there's something wrong. Prob. has more to do with BotRk obscene dueling prowess that anything though. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On August 25 2013 10:44 Alaric wrote: Well, take for example how strong/bursty carries like Twitch, Vayne, Varus, etc. are with just a BotRK. That's kinda supposed to be the typical bruiser (so, I guess "fighter" now?) trait: "I'm friggin' strong at my 1-item timing so I'll rush an offensive item, ride the midgame from my maxed abilities and tank out so I can stay relevant later on". Then they just lose to these AD carries unless they ambush them (and even then you'll die against Vayne unless you can burst her down from full health because of how huge her sustain is). And said carries will keep scaling and scaling and... remain the biggest threats late game. The only reason it's not as prevalent is because mages still have that burst potential to neutralise them if they go too ham in the midgame, and before they get their defensive items (also assassins like Zed who remain able to 100-0 people even at the 6-items mark), but the way a single item can make the champion class supposed to be weakest from base stats and scale the most with items, the strongest 1-item timing one, shows that there's something wrong. Prob. has more to do with BotRk obscene dueling prowess that anything though. That's a dota way of thinking though that carries are supposed to be weak early game. ADC is the priority 1 position on most teams, and when they haven't been the priority position, the team has suffered (Frognivia taking all the farm). Therefore ADC can be strong at all points in the game. They're mostly still weaker than bruisers in the mid game, at least at my level. Botrk is a strong 1 item, but when you're honest about its stats, Botrk weakens an ADC's late game relative to BT. We had a long discussion about this in the past and most people said the opposite. Still, it's a bit wrong that an ADC's first item has an amazing build path. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Now you'll tell me that power curves aren't a thing in LoL, but that's because of their standardising obsession, not because LoL's design is opposed to non-flat power curves. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On August 25 2013 10:31 obesechicken13 wrote: In the spreadsheet what is BG? Except AD carries get nerfed too. BT got buffed, IE got nerfed, AS got nerfed, PD got nerfed, lifesteal got nerfed. And every time a pro team brings out the 2 AD carry team comp, they eventually get crushed. It's more like people don't like not being able to react to certain situations and Riot nerfs these things. Riot just nerfs everything into the ground. AD carries too. When Ahri and Diana were too strong mid they got nerfed into the ground. When Cait was too good at taking towers she got nerfed. I can understand what he's saying about how Jayce is a second ADC. He isn't the way people build him now. Muramana LW doesn't have the DPS of IE builds. But he's really an exception in top lane, not a rule. I thought when people play Kennen, they play him AP top, with maybe a few Dblades, or has that changed? BG = Zerker's I've also been doing E second, I really like the lower cd, and the mana being 0 at rank 5 is really nice. combined with the fact that the speed boost on W I feel is really the only use of the ability and it does not scale with rank. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On August 25 2013 10:12 kongoline wrote: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3551106 this guy makes very interesting post about adc dominating the game right now, i agree with him its getting out of hand atm Why does he point out the use of trilanes when the state of Dota is even more lopsided towards the carry than league by far? In dota you put everything into the carry. The impact of the carry hero is fucking huge mid game and late game. The other heroes do have big impacts on how the carry gets there though and that's the point. He wants diversity yet he wants equality. Doesn't work that way. Personally I don't agree with what he's saying. AP burst/AD burst is not nerfed whatsoever. Zed, Ahri, etc. are incredible picks right now. Also, tanky top laners like Shen and Zac are arguably the most OP heroes in the game. They take on a more "supportive" role, but the impact they have on the game is unmatched. I don't think it's so much dominant as it is unchanging. It's a role that you need for every comp to succeed towards the later stages of the game, but other lanes/junglers have much more options to be effective depending on what type of team comp you want. However, you cannot have 5 adcs and win the game, or even 2 adcs without at least 1 of those being a utility ezreal. If you watch pro games most teams do not put everything into the ADC. It is usually the mid laner who ends up with the most gold at the end of the game. An ADC has the least impact levels 1-6 on the team but it ramps up as the game goes on. You cannot have perfect balance in that regard for each lane and each role. | ||
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Slusher
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Itsmedudeman
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
There's always these kinds of things in the forums, like Reddit I just ignore 'em. | ||
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Mensol
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lucian's login screen is so cool :3 forecast janna is amazing too! | ||
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