• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:19
CEST 05:19
KST 12:19
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters9[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism7Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?121Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over3New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!46
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism SC4ALL: II Winner Will Earn a Spot at HSC 30! SC4ALL II: StarCraft 2 Player Announcement 7/8 Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) 2026 GSTL Announcement Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 540 Dodge This
Brood War
General
Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon? [ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters ASL22 General Discussion Pros React To: Calm's Big Brain Play Vs Mini New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group A BWCL Season 65 Announcement [ASL22] Ro16 Group B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread EVE Corporation Diablo IV [Maplestory Hardcore] Let's Play~!! General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
F* the Children and Get Off …
TrAiDoS
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Regacy Esports: The Bh…
regacyesports
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5795 users

[Patch 3.10a: Worlds Balance] General Discussion - Page 152

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 150 151 152 153 154 156 Next
[PSA]: Challenging the status quo...
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 03 2013 07:27 GMT
#3021
On September 03 2013 15:33 miicah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 15:23 IMoperator wrote:
those insec ward kicks are actually a lot easier to do than i initially thought. I'm plat 2 atm and I'm able to do the standard insec pretty easily.


Like 300x easier now that I'm on OCE. 180ping means you've already walked halfway towards the ward before you can actually W to it lol


Its true. Once I figured out my internet and got it down to like 60 ping, as opposed to the old 100-130 its much better. I would say that 20 MS is worth a beer in terms of performance.
Freeeeeeedom
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
September 03 2013 07:53 GMT
#3022
shit 60ping? wow I've been thinking my 180-200 was good
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
September 03 2013 08:01 GMT
#3023
On September 03 2013 16:53 NotSorry wrote:
shit 60ping? wow I've been thinking my 180-200 was good

that's horrible. there are a lot of more precise games you'd barely be able to even play with that ping.

seriously, your connection is garbage.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
September 03 2013 08:04 GMT
#3024
On September 03 2013 16:27 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 15:33 miicah wrote:
On September 03 2013 15:23 IMoperator wrote:
those insec ward kicks are actually a lot easier to do than i initially thought. I'm plat 2 atm and I'm able to do the standard insec pretty easily.


Like 300x easier now that I'm on OCE. 180ping means you've already walked halfway towards the ward before you can actually W to it lol


Its true. Once I figured out my internet and got it down to like 60 ping, as opposed to the old 100-130 its much better. I would say that 20 MS is worth a beer in terms of performance.


Haha I'll never forget when Oceania first came online. It was double Lee sin every single game.

On a side note, Tyrant Swain is on sale. Picked it up and I am not disappointed.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
September 03 2013 08:17 GMT
#3025
--- Nuked ---
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
September 03 2013 08:24 GMT
#3026
On September 03 2013 17:17 krndandaman wrote:
my MMR just utterly tanked at gold 5 to the point where I'm matched with normal silver 3s/4s.
I've been losing so much for stupid reasons- feeders, lag, disconnect, troll, and the occasional me playing bad. Also I lose like triple the points I get for winning as well.

So I got pissed off and decided to just teemo from now on. To my surprise I utterly carried every single game and have gained back a decent chunk of my points. I have a 6.0 average KDA so far. Is teemo actually a good solo queue champion to carry with? Have I found my solution to "elo hell"?

When I hit D5, I went up to promos for D4, lost, then proceeded to lose 21 games. I had a negative W/L, and was playing with mid gold players. It wasn't very hard crushing my way back up, because no matter how many games I lost, I could have a massive impact on the game compared to my opponent.

I actually have some interesting anecdotes about games there too.

As for teemo, I have never seen a teemo win a game, but a game be won in spite of teemo. Essentially if you win with teemo, you could have won with a better champion. But what you may have run into is that at lower elos people don't play well against ranged champions in a normally bruiser lane.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
September 03 2013 08:27 GMT
#3027
On September 03 2013 17:17 krndandaman wrote:
my MMR just utterly tanked at gold 5 to the point where I'm matched with normal silver 3s/4s.
I've been losing so much for stupid reasons- feeders, lag, disconnect, troll, and the occasional me playing bad. Also I lose like triple the points I get for winning as well.

So I got pissed off and decided to just teemo from now on. To my surprise I utterly carried every single game and have gained back a decent chunk of my points. I have a 6.0 average KDA so far. Is teemo actually a good solo queue champion to carry with? Have I found my solution to "elo hell"?




Yes. Teemo is the requiem, he is thy lord, you shall obey. If you one day decide to change your ways of life, your food will be poisoned and you will die.
hi
ItsFunToLose
Profile Joined December 2010
United States776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-03 08:49:36
September 03 2013 08:40 GMT
#3028
On September 03 2013 17:17 krndandaman wrote:
my MMR just utterly tanked at gold 5 to the point where I'm matched with normal silver 3s/4s.
I've been losing so much for stupid reasons- feeders, lag, disconnect, troll, and the occasional me playing bad. Also I lose like triple the points I get for winning as well.

So I got pissed off and decided to just teemo from now on. To my surprise I utterly carried every single game and have gained back a decent chunk of my points. I have a 6.0 average KDA so far. Is teemo actually a good solo queue champion to carry with? Have I found my solution to "elo hell"?


I'm finding teemo to be super strong at gold1/plat5. playing him AP or AD, doesn't matter. win lane, draw 2-5 people top all game, buy wards, shroom everything, carry. If i'm first pick i'll just ban pantheon, jayce and malphite, and first pick teemo. 48-28 with the rat at the moment.

AP
Runes: Hybrid, Armor, flat AP, flat AP
ill start ward, pot, flask and rush nashors, and head towrads morellos, sorcs, liandrys in whatever order feels reasonable at the time.


AD
Runes: Hybrid, Armor, flat AP, some combination of lifesteal/ad.
ill start dorans blade, rush bork, and head towards hurricane, zerkers, bruta-->cleaver in whatever order.

i've tried 17-0-13 starts for ward + biscuit dorans starts, i've tried 27-0-3 cheese masteries, really doesn't matter. teemo is awesome.


my favorite so far has been vs yorick: 3 lifesteal quints + 17-0-13 masteries + dorans blade start, taking flash teleport, and rushing vamp scepter, you can out sustain mediocre yorick players with proper brush kiting. fewer than 3 lifesteal quints, or not taking the 3% LS/SV mastery in utility, and the lane starts to get ugly.
"skillshots are inherently out of your control whether they hit or not" -PrinceXizor
silencefc
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States875 Posts
September 03 2013 08:56 GMT
#3029
Isn't one of the biggest problems with solo queue split pushers is that you have to stop the moment one of your teammates gets caught?
Slice like a goddamn hammer.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 03 2013 08:58 GMT
#3030
On September 03 2013 17:04 JazzVortical wrote:
On a side note, Tyrant Swain is on sale. Picked it up and I am not disappointed.

One of the skins I was saving the RP I got gifted by mistake for, but now that it's on sale I dunno anymore. The classic skin's ult looks much more threatening (and the bird mask is weird too).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
September 03 2013 09:02 GMT
#3031
Quick question : I'm currently silver I and often matched vs Gold I, II even plat V sometimes. Is my MMR high ? If so, why do I only win 5-6 LP per win ? (I'm around 60LP, not even close to promo). Or are their MMR really low ?
This system is confusing ...
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 03 2013 09:06 GMT
#3032
Uh, I started gaining +4/5 when I was around 25-30 LP in Silver I. Once promoted I've gained between 38 and 20 (decreasing as I go up) until now where I'm at 70 LP Gold I (won 20 last game), so as long as you keep doing well, you'll just rocket upwards once you're promoted.
It's probably a mix though.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-03 09:12:10
September 03 2013 09:11 GMT
#3033
If I got it correctly, you win less LP when you're in the 1st division of your league. It's to avoid people getting promoted on a lucky streak since you cant get demoted from a league.
Romanes eunt domus
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
September 03 2013 09:29 GMT
#3034
On September 03 2013 17:58 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 17:04 JazzVortical wrote:
On a side note, Tyrant Swain is on sale. Picked it up and I am not disappointed.

One of the skins I was saving the RP I got gifted by mistake for, but now that it's on sale I dunno anymore. The classic skin's ult looks much more threatening (and the bird mask is weird too).


Yeah I don't like that his ult is only his torso, but the rest of the spell effects are really classy. The extra particles (like birds actually 'tormenting' the opponent) are great and make up for it.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 03 2013 09:35 GMT
#3035
On September 03 2013 17:17 krndandaman wrote:
my MMR just utterly tanked at gold 5 to the point where I'm matched with normal silver 3s/4s.
I've been losing so much for stupid reasons- feeders, lag, disconnect, troll, and the occasional me playing bad. Also I lose like triple the points I get for winning as well.

So I got pissed off and decided to just teemo from now on. To my surprise I utterly carried every single game and have gained back a decent chunk of my points. I have a 6.0 average KDA so far. Is teemo actually a good solo queue champion to carry with? Have I found my solution to "elo hell"?

Any champ you consistently win with is a good way to get out of an elo that you're not winning in.

Seriously at gold 5 just play who you have the most fun with and don't give a fuck about team comp because you don't really have a team, just 4 other people who don't understand how to win vs 5 other people who don't understand how to win.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 03 2013 09:47 GMT
#3036
On September 03 2013 16:53 NotSorry wrote:
shit 60ping? wow I've been thinking my 180-200 was good


Yea, i\I get down to 60 when I go wired, 80-90 on wireless, and like I said, even that you can feel and its like being a little drunk.


On September 03 2013 17:01 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 16:53 NotSorry wrote:
shit 60ping? wow I've been thinking my 180-200 was good

that's horrible. there are a lot of more precise games you'd barely be able to even play with that ping.

seriously, your connection is garbage.


180 is close to what I used to get at university, and yea its garbage. Counterstrike was impossible to play.
Freeeeeeedom
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
September 03 2013 09:54 GMT
#3037
On September 03 2013 18:11 BobMcJohnson wrote:
If I got it correctly, you win less LP when you're in the 1st division of your league. It's to avoid people getting promoted on a lucky streak since you cant get demoted from a league.




It does happen, but not always. Mostly it's because the system entitles you unworthy of a promotion, thus making the progress from 1st division -> new tier, more difficult. However if you progress extremely rapidly or extremely slowly, you should be gaining your usual amount, because you either raped your MMR towards tiers above you, or it takes you so long that you're walking hand-in-hand with your MMR.
hi
Cuddle
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1345 Posts
September 03 2013 09:56 GMT
#3038
So, I've been playing a lot of Rengar lately and I'm scared that the upcoming change will take away the most fun part of Rengar: "The Booo effect".

I understand that Riot wants to change him, his laning is incredibly binary and the only counterplay is pink/oracle or a heavily guarded ADC during team fights. I actually don't mind them leveling him out, but the entire reason I play him is the way you can scare the bejeezus outta people by jumping on them with a roar. This excites me to no end, even if I don't get the kill.

Anyone heard anything with regards to planned changes?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 03 2013 10:28 GMT
#3039
On September 03 2013 18:56 Cuddle wrote:
So, I've been playing a lot of Rengar lately and I'm scared that the upcoming change will take away the most fun part of Rengar: "The Booo effect".

I understand that Riot wants to change him, his laning is incredibly binary and the only counterplay is pink/oracle or a heavily guarded ADC during team fights. I actually don't mind them leveling him out, but the entire reason I play him is the way you can scare the bejeezus outta people by jumping on them with a roar. This excites me to no end, even if I don't get the kill.

Anyone heard anything with regards to planned changes?


I think he is keeping stealth with some kind of sprint mechanic. IN any case, hes probably going to be OP post-remake, or UP post remake, considering they seem to not be removing Ferocity, or the Heal on his W. And as long as those two things exist, he is always going to be OP or UP.
Freeeeeeedom
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-03 13:12:41
September 03 2013 10:38 GMT
#3040
You can follow this thread.
Basically they want to give him super mobility through his ult, while removing the "free escape" mechanism from stealth, so the current iteration has him sporting a huge %MS buff for a long duration (and his next attack being a pounce as if he came from a bush) which he can, after a few seconds, switch to a stealth for a set duration without the boost (so normal MS, still pounces since he's stealthed).
The idea for them is that you can roam super well with it because you cover a huge distance with the sprint, but if you want the stealth you lose the MS, making it harder to dodge wards and run at people before they can react even if they have an oracle.

Other stuff they're reworking is making E a skillshot (so it's more powerful in exchange), empowered Q gives 3 bonus ferocity so he can "chain" empowered Qs if he has enough CDR, with the reduced damage/AS on the ability it means he's more about dps and less about burst.
And a big set of changes for the bonetooth necklace, less stats, more perks oriented (they're working around ideas akin to Nidalee's passive iirc, playing with bushes and all).

Edit: woah, I went from gaining 20+ and losing ~15 to -20, +19, +6 for my last 3 games. Guess clamping activated.
And -13 when we get a raging kiddo going afk. T_T
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Prev 1 150 151 152 153 154 156 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
2026 GSTL: Main Stage Day 5
CranKy Ducklings148
Discussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 205
ProTech158
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2300
GuemChi 1523
Sharp 96
Hm[arnc] 35
Aegong 32
Noble 17
Yoon 10
Dota 2
monkeys_forever387
NeuroSwarm178
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1264
taco 479
minikerr45
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1200
Other Games
summit1g7168
JimRising 634
C9.Mang0187
Maynarde88
Trikslyr37
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki22
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21965
League of Legends
• Scarra832
• Lourlo634
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
6h 41m
KCM Race Survival
6h 41m
OSC
19h 11m
Escore
1d 6h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1d 7h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
3 days
Spirit vs Mixu
Clem vs TBD
RSL Revival
3 days
Serral vs Rogue
BlizzCon
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
GSL
5 days
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-08
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
RSL Revival: Season 6
Calamity Invitational
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.