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Aezo-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada378 Posts
September 03 2013 13:27 GMT
#3041
It's funny how my best role can change so quickly. I flew from Silver IV to Silver III playing jungle all day. Then all of a sudden i started losing all the time, so I switched to playing more support + adc and started winning again. And it's more not the winning / losing but I feel like I'm playing better or making less stupid mistakes.

Tried a couple jungle games last night and I fed so hard again. Not sure what changed. Oh well time to go watch Meteos and try to learn...
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
September 03 2013 13:30 GMT
#3042
I was going to stay out of the forums recently until I watched the NA LCS finals match but then my Google News feed just spoiled that for me.

Google = OP
Fairy Tales when you're a child begin with "Once upon a time" and when you're an adult begin, "If elected I promise..."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14056 Posts
September 03 2013 13:37 GMT
#3043
wow. ogn finals blowing up TI2 alone is pretty crazy. someone should put the numbers togeather for all the different regional qualifyers last year it was pretty crazy I think 400k for just the gpl qualifyer finals and well over 50k showed up for TPA winning the taiwan qualifyer.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-03 13:58:11
September 03 2013 13:45 GMT
#3044
Wow haha watching Wickd stream and he didn't even know what masteries to run for Vlad, he checked Zorozero on lolking.. lol
e : and now he checks his build during the game lol, that's a bit sad for a pro.. (no hate though I like Wickd it's just a shame that his champ pool is so small)
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
September 03 2013 14:00 GMT
#3045
On September 03 2013 22:45 Lylat wrote:
Wow haha watching Wickd stream and he didn't even know what masteries to run for Vlad, he checked Zorozero on lolking.. lol
e : and now he checks his build during the game lol, that's a bit sad for a pro.. (no hate though I like Wickd it's just a shame that his champ pool is so small)


IIRC there was an old tournament where before an Epik vs TSM match Dyrus checked TOO's jungle GP right before the game and then won with it against them ahah
Romanes eunt domus
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11686 Posts
September 03 2013 14:04 GMT
#3046
What is wrong with a pro learning a new character by looking at what other pros use on him? Do you really think everyone should go through trial and error on his own when there is a much easier way to get a better baseline from which you can start innovating once you actually understand stuff?
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-03 14:06:01
September 03 2013 14:05 GMT
#3047
On September 03 2013 22:45 Lylat wrote:
Wow haha watching Wickd stream and he didn't even know what masteries to run for Vlad, he checked Zorozero on lolking.. lol
e : and now he checks his build during the game lol, that's a bit sad for a pro.. (no hate though I like Wickd it's just a shame that his champ pool is so small)


Have to remember AP is like the Arch Nemesis of wickd. I'd be surprised if he even knew the items required for an AP hero ;P
On September 03 2013 23:04 Simberto wrote:
What is wrong with a pro learning a new character by looking at what other pros use on him? Do you really think everyone should go through trial and error on his own when there is a much easier way to get a better baseline from which you can start innovating once you actually understand stuff?


Well vlad has been around for awhile and should check before the game not during :D
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 03 2013 14:07 GMT
#3048
yeah don't see anything wrong with pros checking each other's setups for learning new champs. I imagine quite a lot of them have checked out wickd for his Aatrox setup.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
September 03 2013 14:13 GMT
#3049
I'd say the more surprising part is he doesn't already know it.You'd think he could just click tab while playing vs ld or just look at item builds when they play vs others.

Also dyrus died to wolves if I recall correctly that game....
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 03 2013 14:16 GMT
#3050
._.
Enemy first pick takes Annie, I decide that I can do it with Viktor since he's got good burst, powerful early trades, and later on can just laser the wave to force Annie to drop her stun if she doesn't want to get pushed.

Holycrapit'ssobrutalwtf.

On one hand, the guy was a smurf (Gold I duoing with a Silver I close to the end of the season, 170 normal wins, 37-11 in ranked games), on the other hand the AD marks + dblade start considering she has 625 range (wow I thought 600, that's even worse) on her autos, versus 500 for Viktor (his Q has 600 spell range, so around the same as his autos) should be doable by anyone having a good grasp of Annie (I don't play her but I assume abusing her auto range is a big part of getting good at her), and it was sooo hard. Urgh. Good thing she pushed a lot with the auto harass and trying to stun me with a W, so I got all of the exp, but I missed so much farm when the huge wave reached the tower and she was just waiting for me to try to get one to harass.

Kills were traded with a countergank and I focused on not dying, and we won in the end because Aatrox outfarmed Malph hard (and roamed faster than him) and we skirmished, where Viktor is stronger than Annie (easier to hang in the back and W/E people) and our comp in general outburst/cc'd theirs (Viktor/Aatrox/Shy/Graves/Blitz vs Malph/Annie/Elise/Leona/Cait), but I lost the lane super hard (Blitz had a godhand too).
Interesting part is that while Annie would almost 100-0 me with her combo (guise/sorcs/deathcap core), I'd so the same to her, albeit slight slower because of DoTs/periodic damage. So she'd kill me if she got her stun off, but if I managed to make her burn it, then fight, not being stunned let me shield part of her damage with Q, and the W stun would buy me enough time for Q to come back and finish her off before she'd get her W.

Whatever. I'm not picking Viktor against Annie again, she's so brutal at early levels ;_; (and Orianna has short auto range too... I think I'd suck against Annie in general).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 03 2013 14:18 GMT
#3051
The difference is with Ori you can play like a pussy just farming and be alright where as with Viktor if you play like a pussy you already lost the game. That's why ori is such a good pick if you don't know what you up against or don't have anything that can "win" what you up against.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
September 03 2013 14:20 GMT
#3052
On September 03 2013 23:16 Alaric wrote:
._.
Enemy first pick takes Annie, I decide that I can do it with Viktor since he's got good burst, powerful early trades, and later on can just laser the wave to force Annie to drop her stun if she doesn't want to get pushed.

Holycrapit'ssobrutalwtf.

On one hand, the guy was a smurf (Gold I duoing with a Silver I close to the end of the season, 170 normal wins, 37-11 in ranked games), on the other hand the AD marks + dblade start considering she has 625 range (wow I thought 600, that's even worse) on her autos, versus 500 for Viktor (his Q has 600 spell range, so around the same as his autos) should be doable by anyone having a good grasp of Annie (I don't play her but I assume abusing her auto range is a big part of getting good at her), and it was sooo hard. Urgh. Good thing she pushed a lot with the auto harass and trying to stun me with a W, so I got all of the exp, but I missed so much farm when the huge wave reached the tower and she was just waiting for me to try to get one to harass.

Kills were traded with a countergank and I focused on not dying, and we won in the end because Aatrox outfarmed Malph hard (and roamed faster than him) and we skirmished, where Viktor is stronger than Annie (easier to hang in the back and W/E people) and our comp in general outburst/cc'd theirs (Viktor/Aatrox/Shy/Graves/Blitz vs Malph/Annie/Elise/Leona/Cait), but I lost the lane super hard (Blitz had a godhand too).
Interesting part is that while Annie would almost 100-0 me with her combo (guise/sorcs/deathcap core), I'd so the same to her, albeit slight slower because of DoTs/periodic damage. So she'd kill me if she got her stun off, but if I managed to make her burn it, then fight, not being stunned let me shield part of her damage with Q, and the W stun would buy me enough time for Q to come back and finish her off before she'd get her W.

Whatever. I'm not picking Viktor against Annie again, she's so brutal at early levels ;_; (and Orianna has short auto range too... I think I'd suck against Annie in general).

tell your jungler to pitch a tent against dblade start annie
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
September 03 2013 14:32 GMT
#3053
On September 03 2013 23:16 Alaric wrote:
._.
Enemy first pick takes Annie, I decide that I can do it with Viktor since he's got good burst, powerful early trades, and later on can just laser the wave to force Annie to drop her stun if she doesn't want to get pushed.

Holycrapit'ssobrutalwtf.

On one hand, the guy was a smurf (Gold I duoing with a Silver I close to the end of the season, 170 normal wins, 37-11 in ranked games), on the other hand the AD marks + dblade start considering she has 625 range (wow I thought 600, that's even worse) on her autos, versus 500 for Viktor (his Q has 600 spell range, so around the same as his autos) should be doable by anyone having a good grasp of Annie (I don't play her but I assume abusing her auto range is a big part of getting good at her), and it was sooo hard. Urgh. Good thing she pushed a lot with the auto harass and trying to stun me with a W, so I got all of the exp, but I missed so much farm when the huge wave reached the tower and she was just waiting for me to try to get one to harass.

Kills were traded with a countergank and I focused on not dying, and we won in the end because Aatrox outfarmed Malph hard (and roamed faster than him) and we skirmished, where Viktor is stronger than Annie (easier to hang in the back and W/E people) and our comp in general outburst/cc'd theirs (Viktor/Aatrox/Shy/Graves/Blitz vs Malph/Annie/Elise/Leona/Cait), but I lost the lane super hard (Blitz had a godhand too).
Interesting part is that while Annie would almost 100-0 me with her combo (guise/sorcs/deathcap core), I'd so the same to her, albeit slight slower because of DoTs/periodic damage. So she'd kill me if she got her stun off, but if I managed to make her burn it, then fight, not being stunned let me shield part of her damage with Q, and the W stun would buy me enough time for Q to come back and finish her off before she'd get her W.

Whatever. I'm not picking Viktor against Annie again, she's so brutal at early levels ;_; (and Orianna has short auto range too... I think I'd suck against Annie in general).


If I get an Annie as Viktor, I all-in as soon as I get 6 for the most part. That lane is pretty much in her favor from my experience.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-03 14:39:10
September 03 2013 14:33 GMT
#3054
On September 03 2013 23:16 Alaric wrote:
._.
Enemy first pick takes Annie, I decide that I can do it with Viktor since he's got good burst, powerful early trades, and later on can just laser the wave to force Annie to drop her stun if she doesn't want to get pushed.

Holycrapit'ssobrutalwtf.

On one hand, the guy was a smurf (Gold I duoing with a Silver I close to the end of the season, 170 normal wins, 37-11 in ranked games), on the other hand the AD marks + dblade start considering she has 625 range (wow I thought 600, that's even worse) on her autos, versus 500 for Viktor (his Q has 600 spell range, so around the same as his autos) should be doable by anyone having a good grasp of Annie (I don't play her but I assume abusing her auto range is a big part of getting good at her), and it was sooo hard. Urgh. Good thing she pushed a lot with the auto harass and trying to stun me with a W, so I got all of the exp, but I missed so much farm when the huge wave reached the tower and she was just waiting for me to try to get one to harass.

Kills were traded with a countergank and I focused on not dying, and we won in the end because Aatrox outfarmed Malph hard (and roamed faster than him) and we skirmished, where Viktor is stronger than Annie (easier to hang in the back and W/E people) and our comp in general outburst/cc'd theirs (Viktor/Aatrox/Shy/Graves/Blitz vs Malph/Annie/Elise/Leona/Cait), but I lost the lane super hard (Blitz had a godhand too).
Interesting part is that while Annie would almost 100-0 me with her combo (guise/sorcs/deathcap core), I'd so the same to her, albeit slight slower because of DoTs/periodic damage. So she'd kill me if she got her stun off, but if I managed to make her burn it, then fight, not being stunned let me shield part of her damage with Q, and the W stun would buy me enough time for Q to come back and finish her off before she'd get her W.

Whatever. I'm not picking Viktor against Annie again, she's so brutal at early levels ;_; (and Orianna has short auto range too... I think I'd suck against Annie in general).


Fwiw, Viktor definitely loses to Annie.

You just can't compete with the AA range, cycling stuns, and tibbers.

The only thing you have on her is E clear range, but that's not gonna do much when you want to be aggressive early.

Edit: My new Magic playmat just came in:

+ Show Spoiler +
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-03 14:57:54
September 03 2013 14:56 GMT
#3055
On September 03 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
PLAYMAT

Where and how. Now.

According to Reddit, sourcing this OGN finals drew 700k viewers online and 1.2% of TV.
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
September 03 2013 14:58 GMT
#3056
On September 03 2013 23:04 Simberto wrote:
What is wrong with a pro learning a new character by looking at what other pros use on him? Do you really think everyone should go through trial and error on his own when there is a much easier way to get a better baseline from which you can start innovating once you actually understand stuff?

New ? Vlad has been released in 2010 and is a "common" top lane pick, how come a pro top laner doesn't know how to build him ? That's what I found "choking", not the fact that he checked someone else's build.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 03 2013 15:02 GMT
#3057
On September 03 2013 23:56 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
PLAYMAT

Where and how. Now.

According to Reddit, sourcing this OGN finals drew 700k viewers online and 1.2% of TV.


http://www.inkedplaymats.com/

Had to take the image and fit it to the template they provide for custom mats (Photoshop or GIMP - which was interesting, because I had never used either one before, fortunately my coworker is fairly well versed in GIMP).

You can avoid having to use photo editing software, but they charge $10 for editing, and since GIMP is free, might as well save $10.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
September 03 2013 15:23 GMT
#3058
On September 03 2013 23:56 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
PLAYMAT

Where and how. Now.

According to Reddit, sourcing this OGN finals drew 700k viewers online and 1.2% of TV.

or you could just look TL up where the news is already posted
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-03 16:10:52
September 03 2013 16:09 GMT
#3059
On September 03 2013 23:58 Lylat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 23:04 Simberto wrote:
What is wrong with a pro learning a new character by looking at what other pros use on him? Do you really think everyone should go through trial and error on his own when there is a much easier way to get a better baseline from which you can start innovating once you actually understand stuff?

New ? Vlad has been released in 2010 and is a "common" top lane pick, how come a pro top laner doesn't know how to build him ? That's what I found "choking", not the fact that he checked someone else's build.

Pros don't use every champion that are popular from other teams because every team requires something else from their top lane (in the West). EG needs a top that causes a lot of disruption/tankiness, which Vlad doesn't really do. Wicked has never needed to learn Vlad so imo why waste time learning a champ that he will never be play in a tournament at the moment and won't benefit his team? And even though Vlad might be "common", he has a pretty specific niche that not many team comps will allow.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
September 03 2013 16:30 GMT
#3060
On September 03 2013 22:27 Aezo- wrote:
It's funny how my best role can change so quickly. I flew from Silver IV to Silver III playing jungle all day. Then all of a sudden i started losing all the time, so I switched to playing more support + adc and started winning again. And it's more not the winning / losing but I feel like I'm playing better or making less stupid mistakes.

Tried a couple jungle games last night and I fed so hard again. Not sure what changed. Oh well time to go watch Meteos and try to learn...


i'm the exact same, jungle is my main and the role i "get" the best, but I've just been playing Kat and facerolling mid instead
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