[Patch 3.10a: Worlds Balance] General Discussion - Page 153

On September 03 2013 22:45 Lylat wrote:
Wow haha watching Wickd stream and he didn't even know what masteries to run for Vlad, he checked Zorozero on lolking.. lol
e : and now he checks his build during the game lol, that's a bit sad for a pro.. (no hate though I like Wickd it's just a shame that his champ pool is so small)

On September 03 2013 22:45 Lylat wrote:
Wow haha watching Wickd stream and he didn't even know what masteries to run for Vlad, he checked Zorozero on lolking.. lol
e : and now he checks his build during the game lol, that's a bit sad for a pro.. (no hate though I like Wickd it's just a shame that his champ pool is so small)

On September 03 2013 23:04 Simberto wrote:
What is wrong with a pro learning a new character by looking at what other pros use on him? Do you really think everyone should go through trial and error on his own when there is a much easier way to get a better baseline from which you can start innovating once you actually understand stuff?

On September 03 2013 23:16 Alaric wrote:
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Enemy first pick takes Annie, I decide that I can do it with Viktor since he's got good burst, powerful early trades, and later on can just laser the wave to force Annie to drop her stun if she doesn't want to get pushed.

Holycrapit'ssobrutalwtf.

On one hand, the guy was a smurf (Gold I duoing with a Silver I close to the end of the season, 170 normal wins, 37-11 in ranked games), on the other hand the AD marks + dblade start considering she has 625 range (wow I thought 600, that's even worse) on her autos, versus 500 for Viktor (his Q has 600 spell range, so around the same as his autos) should be doable by anyone having a good grasp of Annie (I don't play her but I assume abusing her auto range is a big part of getting good at her), and it was sooo hard. Urgh. Good thing she pushed a lot with the auto harass and trying to stun me with a W, so I got all of the exp, but I missed so much farm when the huge wave reached the tower and she was just waiting for me to try to get one to harass.

Kills were traded with a countergank and I focused on not dying, and we won in the end because Aatrox outfarmed Malph hard (and roamed faster than him) and we skirmished, where Viktor is stronger than Annie (easier to hang in the back and W/E people) and our comp in general outburst/cc'd theirs (Viktor/Aatrox/Shy/Graves/Blitz vs Malph/Annie/Elise/Leona/Cait), but I lost the lane super hard (Blitz had a godhand too).
Interesting part is that while Annie would almost 100-0 me with her combo (guise/sorcs/deathcap core), I'd so the same to her, albeit slight slower because of DoTs/periodic damage. So she'd kill me if she got her stun off, but if I managed to make her burn it, then fight, not being stunned let me shield part of her damage with Q, and the W stun would buy me enough time for Q to come back and finish her off before she'd get her W.

Whatever. I'm not picking Viktor against Annie again, she's so brutal at early levels ;_; (and Orianna has short auto range too... I think I'd suck against Annie in general).

On September 03 2013 23:16 Alaric wrote:
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Enemy first pick takes Annie, I decide that I can do it with Viktor since he's got good burst, powerful early trades, and later on can just laser the wave to force Annie to drop her stun if she doesn't want to get pushed.

Holycrapit'ssobrutalwtf.

On one hand, the guy was a smurf (Gold I duoing with a Silver I close to the end of the season, 170 normal wins, 37-11 in ranked games), on the other hand the AD marks + dblade start considering she has 625 range (wow I thought 600, that's even worse) on her autos, versus 500 for Viktor (his Q has 600 spell range, so around the same as his autos) should be doable by anyone having a good grasp of Annie (I don't play her but I assume abusing her auto range is a big part of getting good at her), and it was sooo hard. Urgh. Good thing she pushed a lot with the auto harass and trying to stun me with a W, so I got all of the exp, but I missed so much farm when the huge wave reached the tower and she was just waiting for me to try to get one to harass.

Kills were traded with a countergank and I focused on not dying, and we won in the end because Aatrox outfarmed Malph hard (and roamed faster than him) and we skirmished, where Viktor is stronger than Annie (easier to hang in the back and W/E people) and our comp in general outburst/cc'd theirs (Viktor/Aatrox/Shy/Graves/Blitz vs Malph/Annie/Elise/Leona/Cait), but I lost the lane super hard (Blitz had a godhand too).
Interesting part is that while Annie would almost 100-0 me with her combo (guise/sorcs/deathcap core), I'd so the same to her, albeit slight slower because of DoTs/periodic damage. So she'd kill me if she got her stun off, but if I managed to make her burn it, then fight, not being stunned let me shield part of her damage with Q, and the W stun would buy me enough time for Q to come back and finish her off before she'd get her W.

Whatever. I'm not picking Viktor against Annie again, she's so brutal at early levels ;_; (and Orianna has short auto range too... I think I'd suck against Annie in general).

On September 03 2013 23:16 Alaric wrote:
._.
Enemy first pick takes Annie, I decide that I can do it with Viktor since he's got good burst, powerful early trades, and later on can just laser the wave to force Annie to drop her stun if she doesn't want to get pushed.

Holycrapit'ssobrutalwtf.

On one hand, the guy was a smurf (Gold I duoing with a Silver I close to the end of the season, 170 normal wins, 37-11 in ranked games), on the other hand the AD marks + dblade start considering she has 625 range (wow I thought 600, that's even worse) on her autos, versus 500 for Viktor (his Q has 600 spell range, so around the same as his autos) should be doable by anyone having a good grasp of Annie (I don't play her but I assume abusing her auto range is a big part of getting good at her), and it was sooo hard. Urgh. Good thing she pushed a lot with the auto harass and trying to stun me with a W, so I got all of the exp, but I missed so much farm when the huge wave reached the tower and she was just waiting for me to try to get one to harass.

Kills were traded with a countergank and I focused on not dying, and we won in the end because Aatrox outfarmed Malph hard (and roamed faster than him) and we skirmished, where Viktor is stronger than Annie (easier to hang in the back and W/E people) and our comp in general outburst/cc'd theirs (Viktor/Aatrox/Shy/Graves/Blitz vs Malph/Annie/Elise/Leona/Cait), but I lost the lane super hard (Blitz had a godhand too).
Interesting part is that while Annie would almost 100-0 me with her combo (guise/sorcs/deathcap core), I'd so the same to her, albeit slight slower because of DoTs/periodic damage. So she'd kill me if she got her stun off, but if I managed to make her burn it, then fight, not being stunned let me shield part of her damage with Q, and the W stun would buy me enough time for Q to come back and finish her off before she'd get her W.

Whatever. I'm not picking Viktor against Annie again, she's so brutal at early levels ;_; (and Orianna has short auto range too... I think I'd suck against Annie in general).

On September 03 2013 23:04 Simberto wrote:
What is wrong with a pro learning a new character by looking at what other pros use on him? Do you really think everyone should go through trial and error on his own when there is a much easier way to get a better baseline from which you can start innovating once you actually understand stuff?

On September 03 2013 23:56 Gahlo wrote:

Where and how. Now.

According to Reddit, sourcing this OGN finals drew 700k viewers online and 1.2% of TV.

On September 03 2013 23:56 Gahlo wrote:

Where and how. Now.

According to Reddit, sourcing this OGN finals drew 700k viewers online and 1.2% of TV.

On September 03 2013 23:58 Lylat wrote:

New ? Vlad has been released in 2010 and is a "common" top lane pick, how come a pro top laner doesn't know how to build him ? That's what I found "choking", not the fact that he checked someone else's build.

On September 03 2013 22:27 Aezo- wrote:
It's funny how my best role can change so quickly. I flew from Silver IV to Silver III playing jungle all day. Then all of a sudden i started losing all the time, so I switched to playing more support + adc and started winning again. And it's more not the winning / losing but I feel like I'm playing better or making less stupid mistakes.

Tried a couple jungle games last night and I fed so hard again. Not sure what changed. Oh well time to go watch Meteos and try to learn...