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[PSA]: Challenging the status quo...
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
August 29 2013 21:16 GMT
#2081
On August 30 2013 06:13 Anakko wrote:
As much as I respect the quality of Monte's videos and the hard work he put into them, i gotta agree with sylverfyre. Day9 started his show casting BW high level games, and he himself was a well established BW figure (WCG pan american winner). The fact that he was already well recognized in the community as a guy who knew his shit helped his show tremendously to get started.


That and bear semen.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 29 2013 21:17 GMT
#2082
IIRC Day9 wasn't even all that big until his "My Life of StarCraft" video. That's what really made him an e-Celebrity.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 21:20:59
August 29 2013 21:17 GMT
#2083
On August 30 2013 05:47 SagaZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 05:24 Diamond wrote:
I think I am going to start a LoL "Sportscenter" style show here real soon. Would cover the recent results, show a couple clips, etc. Seems very hard to keep up at the moment with anything but one regions LCS and I know it's something I'd watch (the premise for any show I make).

Curious if there is any video production or graphics production fellows that would like to assist me in said endeavor? Would need someone to on graphics to make a couple overlay templates and a video guy to sew together some clips. Anyone on here with those skills interested?

In my opinion, a show like this would be very successfull, as long as you make a good job of keeping a simple, direct and precise train of tought.
As long as you get straight to the point and cut off the blablabla/fluff/shoutouts ect I'd be bery interested to watch this.
There has been atemps to do this in the past but I never sticked with any of those because they stretch the content too much. Some dude I don't remember the name had a very good production on it, nice overlays and clips but the videos were too long and like 10 minutes would pass with him talking nonstop but not saying anything.


That would be the idea. Games with video clips would be about 2-5 mins of coverage, and games without would be 1-2 mins. Not a lot of opinion stuff, no stupid extensive shoutouts (god I hate those). Everything would be tight and concise. The obvious exception being in Oct when the Grand Finals of the World Championship's (which will obv be it's own episode).

Just a totally made up but general idea here would be an estimated breakdown for tomorrow's games:

(30 mins total)

  • 2 mins - Opening/intro
  • 3 mins - TSM vs CLG
  • 3 mins - CRS vs DIG
  • 3 mins - NEW vs COG
  • 2 mins - Upcoming LCS/PAX games
  • 2 mins - Whatever big story from PAX/LCS (ex: Doublelift goes 14/0/0 vs TSM, says he's worst player in LCS)

  • 3 mins - commercial break

  • 1 min - LPL - iG vs EP
  • 1 min - LPL - PE vs YG
  • 1 min - LPL - WE vs Royal
  • 1 min - LPL - OMG vs LMQ
  • 1 min - HK Esports - iSE vs. HKA
  • 2 mins - DTDV4 - Both matches
  • 2 mins - Upcoming matches (non LCS)
  • 3 mins - Other LoL non E-Sports news (ex: Luician out! Rengar Bug plauging TL?)
  • 3 mins - Final topics, sign off
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
August 29 2013 21:20 GMT
#2084
If you do try to make the show, make sure you have a focus. Don't add in like "tips and tricks" and random things. Keep it about results/news and maybe eventually if the viewer base grows then you can add more time for a small discussion panel on a topic. But for starters, keep it ultra-streamlined.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21937 Posts
August 29 2013 21:21 GMT
#2085
On August 30 2013 05:39 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 05:33 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I remember JP tried to do something similar with SC for a while, but I think it's a hard niche to fill. I'm not trying to dissuade you if you want to give it a shot. The people who are most interested in the results and things of that nature are already the ones who spend the most time watching streams and reading forums, so you're just going to tell them stuff they already know. And on the other side I don't see casual people being able to really get into it. It's a tough sell but I would like to see one done well.


I remember that, however E-Sports has changed so much since then, and in particular LoL has a scene very well set up for this type of show (iirc JP tried his in 2010 when everything was a mess structure wise). That and technology has changed and streaming programs suck a lot less.

I just know as someone who watches a lot of LoL, I still have no idea about 50%+ of the results for the major leagues as there is no centralized source of this info (sand Leaguepedia, but reading results off a static bracket page sucks).

It might suck or not be a big hit, but it's something that is sorely missing and I'd love to try. And being at the end of S3 would give me a good chance to try it out for a bit and see what sticks with the idea of getting it 100% by Season 4.

It's been a long time, but I remember JP's show being more of a "discussion" show and contained 0 video clips of play. This would be more of a "Results recap" show with very little open discussion (still would have some) and more focused on catching you up to speed on the last day's happenings.


I think a big favor in in LoL terms for this is the length of games. With a week of LCS for 1 scene coming it at 10+ hours it is a lot of video to sort through Having a way to get up to speed that isnt a bracket page might be a nice feature for a decent audience.

What I would say tho is be ready for disappointment, its not easy getting something like this off the ground and getting a steady viewership.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 21:22:53
August 29 2013 21:21 GMT
#2086
On August 30 2013 06:20 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
If you do try to make the show, make sure you have a focus. Don't add in like "tips and tricks" and random things. Keep it about results/news and maybe eventually if the viewer base grows then you can add more time for a small discussion panel on a topic. But for starters, keep it ultra-streamlined.


Like I said, it's entire main focus will be results. Obviously as it grows and things open up might have some quick 1-2 min interviews mixed in or whatever, but the main goal is to catch people up on results in a fun way.

On August 30 2013 06:21 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 05:39 Diamond wrote:
On August 30 2013 05:33 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I remember JP tried to do something similar with SC for a while, but I think it's a hard niche to fill. I'm not trying to dissuade you if you want to give it a shot. The people who are most interested in the results and things of that nature are already the ones who spend the most time watching streams and reading forums, so you're just going to tell them stuff they already know. And on the other side I don't see casual people being able to really get into it. It's a tough sell but I would like to see one done well.


I remember that, however E-Sports has changed so much since then, and in particular LoL has a scene very well set up for this type of show (iirc JP tried his in 2010 when everything was a mess structure wise). That and technology has changed and streaming programs suck a lot less.

I just know as someone who watches a lot of LoL, I still have no idea about 50%+ of the results for the major leagues as there is no centralized source of this info (sand Leaguepedia, but reading results off a static bracket page sucks).

It might suck or not be a big hit, but it's something that is sorely missing and I'd love to try. And being at the end of S3 would give me a good chance to try it out for a bit and see what sticks with the idea of getting it 100% by Season 4.

It's been a long time, but I remember JP's show being more of a "discussion" show and contained 0 video clips of play. This would be more of a "Results recap" show with very little open discussion (still would have some) and more focused on catching you up to speed on the last day's happenings.


I think a big favor in in LoL terms for this is the length of games. With a week of LCS for 1 scene coming it at 10+ hours it is a lot of video to sort through Having a way to get up to speed that isnt a bracket page might be a nice feature for a decent audience.

What I would say tho is be ready for disappointment, its not easy getting something like this off the ground and getting a steady viewership.


This is far from my first E-Sports video endeavor, I know the hardships very well. However some important people in the LoL community happen to like me (can't imagine why) so that helps,
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
silencefc
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States875 Posts
August 29 2013 21:22 GMT
#2087
I think Day9's style of humor being inspired by Louis C.K. made him very pleasant to listen to.
Slice like a goddamn hammer.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
August 29 2013 21:26 GMT
#2088
On August 30 2013 06:17 Seuss wrote:
IIRC Day9 wasn't even all that big until his "My Life of StarCraft" video. That's what really made him an e-Celebrity.


He was totally big before that. Everyone was a lot smaller back then.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
August 29 2013 21:31 GMT
#2089
I think Tasteless being Day9's brother helped a lot too. Because Tasteless was starting to get big as a caster, and that helped with exposure by proxy. Like the first thing I remember about Day9 was him telling stories about Tasteless.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
August 29 2013 21:37 GMT
#2090
The clip/highlight show sounds like a great idea. I had that idea at one point, but I didn't even know where to begin to get the skills like that to pull it off. I have enough trouble doing shitty casting.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 29 2013 21:44 GMT
#2091
On August 30 2013 06:04 silencefc wrote:
Wow, this whole universal Ranked Borders thing created a crazy team-selling market.

Show nested quote +
Step 1) Take 5 players (Team A) and form a newly minted team. This team will play somewhere between 5-10 games and obtain gold, because they are Plat or whatever.

Step 2) Invite 5 new players to the team, and remove the first 5 players. You now have Team B. Team B is presumably significantly lower than gold, and would not be able to obtain it on their own.

Step 3) Team B plays at least 30% of the total games of the team so they can obtain the gold ranking of the team.

Step 4) Because you cannot be demoted from a tier once you obtain it, even though your team could lose the next 5-10 games and be significantly below Gold MMR, you can't lose it because once you've obtained a rank, it's yours permanently.


Nice, who wants to sell me a Diamond team?
Freeeeeeedom
Aezo-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada378 Posts
August 29 2013 22:04 GMT
#2092
Wow.... Sona is so awesome. I played her back in march on her free-week when I was probably only level 15, I bought her so I'd stop playing Karma support in ranked now.

Joined a ranked game, got stuck as support was like hmm do I play sona or try her in normals first, ahh i can just heal spam if I'm bad. We crush our lane all day long, and now i'm 3-0 on her.

Only problems I've had were 2v2 fights with a cait vs taric trist. Is taric good at these 2v2 fights?

Also I'd probably watch a sportscenter type show if it wasn't too long.
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
August 29 2013 22:07 GMT
#2093
I don't understand ezreal. When I get really fed in lane I still feel like I do no damage in team fights, even with trinity builds.
Platinum Support GOD
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
August 29 2013 22:09 GMT
#2094
On August 30 2013 07:07 MattBarry wrote:
I don't understand ezreal. When I get really fed in lane I still feel like I do no damage in team fights, even with trinity builds.

It's cause you're not asian
American ezreal no damage
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
August 29 2013 22:14 GMT
#2095
On August 30 2013 07:04 Aezo- wrote:
Wow.... Sona is so awesome. I played her back in march on her free-week when I was probably only level 15, I bought her so I'd stop playing Karma support in ranked now.

Joined a ranked game, got stuck as support was like hmm do I play sona or try her in normals first, ahh i can just heal spam if I'm bad. We crush our lane all day long, and now i'm 3-0 on her.

Only problems I've had were 2v2 fights with a cait vs taric trist. Is taric good at these 2v2 fights?

Also I'd probably watch a sportscenter type show if it wasn't too long.

poke taric and bully him and avoid taking any harass from them. when taric goes for stun just back off and heal a bit. the armor debuff he'll put on you will make you guys lose any trades. just poke tbh and thats how you play sona lol
BW -> League -> CSGO
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
August 29 2013 22:27 GMT
#2096
On August 30 2013 06:17 Seuss wrote:
IIRC Day9 wasn't even all that big until his "My Life of StarCraft" video. That's what really made him an e-Celebrity.

For the standards of the community at the time he was big before that. The Dailies were picking up steam even before that and he was still a "celebrity" foreigner in BW community standards.

That video is still one of the best things I've ever watched, though. It honestly should be made into a real documentary because day9's storytelling is so good.
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
August 29 2013 22:41 GMT
#2097
My first day9 exposure was a highlight video made from his casting of combatex vs chill. Really cracked me up and madr me a fan. Don't really care too much for his PG dailies now. I'm now a full on JP/incontrol fanboy. Aka the role play show they have.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 23:03:28
August 29 2013 22:59 GMT
#2098
I think there is and has been for the longest time room for a Day[9] show in almost every competitive game. But I think it's important to realise that what Day[9] achieved was not only due to hard work but also had several fortuitous and unique factors that worked out. For instance, TL was the de facto place for Starcraft. That made it simple to target the vast majority of the target audience you specifically want while also being able to interact with them on an almost personal level and not being so distant. Now-a-days for many titles, the fan base is spread out thinly through many sites and it's hard to be able to have such a convenient method to both gain exposure as well as interact with people outside of your product in the same way.

But to be honest, it's also a bad idea to go out with a specific plan to try and "make it big" in the YouTube age. While TotalBiscuit says some rather odd things at times, he has said one very good piece of advice many times that I think has a lot of truth and wisdom to it. People make it big with video content like on YouTube sometimes more by accident than anything else, because they put in the effort and dedication to make something people enjoy.

Just focus on creating something that's great, and most importantly, something you enjoy doing (so that way slaving away at it for $0 won't feel like such a drag). Build it, and maybe they will come. If they go, awesome. If they don't, at least it was fun right?
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
August 29 2013 23:06 GMT
#2099
On August 30 2013 07:07 MattBarry wrote:
I don't understand ezreal. When I get really fed in lane I still feel like I do no damage in team fights, even with trinity builds.


Because trinity isn't that good of an item.Not going blue build is still pretty pointless on ez.Might as well pick something else.Muramana rush is da best.
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
August 29 2013 23:20 GMT
#2100
I think a dedicated news sportscenter type show could be very succesful and you definitely have enouhg material to work with with the leagues constantly going on in every region, as opposed to basically GSL and big events every few months when this was tried for starcraft.
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