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[PSA]: Challenging the status quo...
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
August 29 2013 20:06 GMT
#2061
Korea's a funny situation since they have five teams (Ozone, Frost, Blaze, SKT1, KTB), all of which are strong enough to compete and stand a good chance of winning worlds if they are the sole team at worlds but only three of them could've went.

I would've had the spring split points half as effective for every competitive season that's passed (Spring 2013 is 50% of summer 2013, winter 2012 is 25% of summer etc.) It rewards consistent performers but incentivizes winning the most recent season. It'd be difficult to beat out the #1/2 summer team without being a high performer in the summer season.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 29 2013 20:13 GMT
#2062
On August 30 2013 04:59 ReketSomething wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 04:49 onlywonderboy wrote:
On August 30 2013 04:44 Gorsameth wrote:
Check the situation in Korea atm if you wanne know the danger of having the spring season count for Worlds.
LoL has a very volatile scene. Teams rise and fall quick enough that any long term seeding can be very detrimental.
Im perfectly fine with the situation as it is now.

Just about to say this. I mean Sword might do alright but there are definitely stronger KR teams at the moment. Spring Playoffs might have just been for money/bragging rights, but at least it didn't give Coast a better chance to qualify for worlds than C9 (obviously due to their poor performance Coast wouldn't have made it anyway, but them having an advantage would have felt off)


If we went with the Chinese system, Coast would be one of 4 teams in the playoffs.

No they wouldn't, because the LPL system is top 2 from each split's Round Robin, with playoffs being irrelevant.

So the qualifier teams would be C9, Vulcun, TSM, Curse. Which is still the top 4 for this season anyway.
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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
August 29 2013 20:19 GMT
#2063
Taking first in a previous season should guarantee a playoff spot in the next season but not actually impact post-next-season standings/rewards.

LCS does this well-ish because top 2 avoid up/downs, but are hampered by the fact that the regular season and playoffs are so disjointed and that up/downs are freebies for most of the teams.
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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
August 29 2013 20:24 GMT
#2064
I think I am going to start a LoL "Sportscenter" style show here real soon. Would cover the recent results, show a couple clips, etc. Seems very hard to keep up at the moment with anything but one regions LCS and I know it's something I'd watch (the premise for any show I make).

Curious if there is any video production or graphics production fellows that would like to assist me in said endeavor? Would need someone to on graphics to make a couple overlay templates and a video guy to sew together some clips. Anyone on here with those skills interested?
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
August 29 2013 20:28 GMT
#2065
On August 30 2013 05:24 Diamond wrote:
I think I am going to start a LoL "Sportscenter" style show here real soon. Would cover the recent results, show a couple clips, etc. Seems very hard to keep up at the moment with anything but one regions LCS and I know it's something I'd watch (the premise for any show I make).

Curious if there is any video production or graphics production fellows that would like to assist me in said endeavor? Would need someone to on graphics to make a couple overlay templates and a video guy to sew together some clips. Anyone on here with those skills interested?


I might be able to do some graphics/overlays for you if I have time. Just PM me with specifics, the more specific the better.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
WiseBagus
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada452 Posts
August 29 2013 20:29 GMT
#2066
Not artistic at all, but I am very interested in watching this show.
"When you come at the King, you best not miss"
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
August 29 2013 20:33 GMT
#2067
I remember JP tried to do something similar with SC for a while, but I think it's a hard niche to fill. I'm not trying to dissuade you if you want to give it a shot. The people who are most interested in the results and things of that nature are already the ones who spend the most time watching streams and reading forums, so you're just going to tell them stuff they already know. And on the other side I don't see casual people being able to really get into it. It's a tough sell but I would like to see one done well.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 20:34:14
August 29 2013 20:34 GMT
#2068
Is rengar the new FOTM? I'm seeing him alot lately and he seems to be winning his lanes alot
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 20:42:52
August 29 2013 20:39 GMT
#2069
On August 30 2013 05:33 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I remember JP tried to do something similar with SC for a while, but I think it's a hard niche to fill. I'm not trying to dissuade you if you want to give it a shot. The people who are most interested in the results and things of that nature are already the ones who spend the most time watching streams and reading forums, so you're just going to tell them stuff they already know. And on the other side I don't see casual people being able to really get into it. It's a tough sell but I would like to see one done well.


I remember that, however E-Sports has changed so much since then, and in particular LoL has a scene very well set up for this type of show (iirc JP tried his in 2010 when everything was a mess structure wise). That and technology has changed and streaming programs suck a lot less.

I just know as someone who watches a lot of LoL, I still have no idea about 50%+ of the results for the major leagues as there is no centralized source of this info (sand Leaguepedia, but reading results off a static bracket page sucks).

It might suck or not be a big hit, but it's something that is sorely missing and I'd love to try. And being at the end of S3 would give me a good chance to try it out for a bit and see what sticks with the idea of getting it 100% by Season 4.

It's been a long time, but I remember JP's show being more of a "discussion" show and contained 0 video clips of play. This would be more of a "Results recap" show with very little open discussion (still would have some) and more focused on catching you up to speed on the last day's happenings.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
August 29 2013 20:46 GMT
#2070
It would be cool to somehow tie-in the TL writing crew...
Also get shake in there for his video editing skills + e-fame.

Favorite part of sportscenter is the Top Tens but that's already extensively covered in LoL.
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JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
August 29 2013 20:46 GMT
#2071
On August 30 2013 05:34 XenOmega wrote:
Is rengar the new FOTM? I'm seeing him alot lately and he seems to be winning his lanes alot



Bjergsen's bitching that Rengar's bugged and can double proc his passive on w/q at the same moment.

I don't think Bjergsen's played the champ and is implying that Rengar can use an empowered q and w at the same time.

As a side note from a couple pages back. Thanks for taking the time to check that out Monte. Have my unopened card lying in a pile of mail still and would have left it that way otherwise. Now I guess it gets 20 bucks.
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
August 29 2013 20:47 GMT
#2072
On August 30 2013 05:34 XenOmega wrote:
Is rengar the new FOTM? I'm seeing him alot lately and he seems to be winning his lanes alot


I've noticed he's gotten more popular, in games and from spectating.

Ahri is the champ that seems to be getting super popular as well, even to the point of getting to a little first pick/ban status.
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 20:49:58
August 29 2013 20:47 GMT
#2073
On August 30 2013 05:24 Diamond wrote:
I think I am going to start a LoL "Sportscenter" style show here real soon. Would cover the recent results, show a couple clips, etc. Seems very hard to keep up at the moment with anything but one regions LCS and I know it's something I'd watch (the premise for any show I make).

Curious if there is any video production or graphics production fellows that would like to assist me in said endeavor? Would need someone to on graphics to make a couple overlay templates and a video guy to sew together some clips. Anyone on here with those skills interested?

In my opinion, a show like this would be very successfull, as long as you make a good job of keeping a simple, direct and precise train of tought.
As long as you get straight to the point and cut off the blablabla/fluff/shoutouts ect I'd be bery interested to watch this.
There has been atemps to do this in the past but I never sticked with any of those because they stretch the content too much. Some dude I don't remember the name had a very good production on it, nice overlays and clips but the videos were too long and like 10 minutes would pass with him talking nonstop but not saying anything.

edit: Rengar empowered Q W is bugged, Ninfang showed it on stream, it's hilarious how much burst that bug gives him.
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
August 29 2013 20:50 GMT
#2074
On August 30 2013 05:39 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 05:33 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I remember JP tried to do something similar with SC for a while, but I think it's a hard niche to fill. I'm not trying to dissuade you if you want to give it a shot. The people who are most interested in the results and things of that nature are already the ones who spend the most time watching streams and reading forums, so you're just going to tell them stuff they already know. And on the other side I don't see casual people being able to really get into it. It's a tough sell but I would like to see one done well.


I remember that, however E-Sports has changed so much since then, and in particular LoL has a scene very well set up for this type of show. That and technology has changed and streaming programs such a lot less.

I just know as someone who watches a lot of LoL, I still have no idea about 50%+ of the results for the major leagues as there is no centralized source of this info (sand Leaguepedia, but reading results off a static bracket page sucks).

It might suck or not be a big hit, but it's something that is sorely missing and I'd love to try. And being at the end of S3 would give me a good chance to try it out for a bit and see what sticks with the idea of getting it 100% by Season 4.

It's been a long time, but I remember JP's show being more of a "discussion" show and contained 0 video clips of play. This would be more of a "Results recap" show with very little open discussion (still would have some) and more focused on catching you up to speed on the last day's happenings.


I agree, I think it makes a lot more sense for LoL. I dunno, you don't see it as much because in SC2 it only really a big deal during tournaments and such, which is odd and inconsistent... anyone that watching the tournament has seen anyway, and if not they will see while watching the tournament.

LoL However has way way way too much content to catch it all unless literally you spend your whole life doing so. Even if you watch all NA LCS, you will miss Korea/China/EU and vice versa. Other thing is there is a constan stream of new scheduled games. Constant.

I think such a show would work well, if it is marketed right. Probably require a lot of favours from decently popular communities members, a lot of whoring on reddit, and a rather consistant schedule of content as well, but I certainly think such a webshow could become popular.

I also think there is room for a Day9 style improvement show as well, but that is another thing entirely. LoL lacks the right personality for that... they all either pros already and have no time / don't want to help competitors or don't really know the game well enough. For example Studio tried to do the Day9 thing, but he didn't do as well because he wasn't near the quality of LoL player ( I think he was Diamond most of S1, S2) Day9 was to BW, and I think not as much of the LoL community is as keen on self-improvement.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 20:53:48
August 29 2013 20:53 GMT
#2075
I don't know if we'll have that quality player until we start seeing a lot of retirements of the current generation of pros, and one of them who is also webshow-savvy (not just streaming) decides to step up to the platform for it.

Remember in the BW days, Day9 was Pretty Good(tm).
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 21:06:27
August 29 2013 21:01 GMT
#2076
On August 30 2013 05:46 JonnyLaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 05:34 XenOmega wrote:
Is rengar the new FOTM? I'm seeing him alot lately and he seems to be winning his lanes alot



Bjergsen's bitching that Rengar's bugged and can double proc his passive on w/q at the same moment.

I don't think Bjergsen's played the champ and is implying that Rengar can use an empowered q and w at the same time.

As a side note from a couple pages back. Thanks for taking the time to check that out Monte. Have my unopened card lying in a pile of mail still and would have left it that way otherwise. Now I guess it gets 20 bucks.

This is a well known bug among Rengar players. It's been around for months. I don't know it, but there's a lot of planning that can go into Rengar's burst.

Dekar says he teaches it to people on the first lesson of coaching them.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 29 2013 21:03 GMT
#2077
Monte was the closest thing we had to day9 imo.
Real hard to get popular though and now he has RL obligations.

(Maybe Studio but I don't count him)
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silencefc
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States875 Posts
August 29 2013 21:04 GMT
#2078
Wow, this whole universal Ranked Borders thing created a crazy team-selling market.

Step 1) Take 5 players (Team A) and form a newly minted team. This team will play somewhere between 5-10 games and obtain gold, because they are Plat or whatever.

Step 2) Invite 5 new players to the team, and remove the first 5 players. You now have Team B. Team B is presumably significantly lower than gold, and would not be able to obtain it on their own.

Step 3) Team B plays at least 30% of the total games of the team so they can obtain the gold ranking of the team.

Step 4) Because you cannot be demoted from a tier once you obtain it, even though your team could lose the next 5-10 games and be significantly below Gold MMR, you can't lose it because once you've obtained a rank, it's yours permanently.
Slice like a goddamn hammer.
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
August 29 2013 21:13 GMT
#2079
On August 30 2013 05:33 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I remember JP tried to do something similar with SC for a while, but I think it's a hard niche to fill. I'm not trying to dissuade you if you want to give it a shot. The people who are most interested in the results and things of that nature are already the ones who spend the most time watching streams and reading forums, so you're just going to tell them stuff they already know. And on the other side I don't see casual people being able to really get into it. It's a tough sell but I would like to see one done well.


done correctly it has the potential to be a one-stop source for everything you need (for the casuals) and the depth and analysis TL junkies love.

good luck!!!!!!
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Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
August 29 2013 21:13 GMT
#2080
As much as I respect the quality of Monte's videos and the hard work he put into them, i gotta agree with sylverfyre. Day9 started his show casting BW high level games, and he himself was a well established BW figure (WCG pan american winner). The fact that he was already well recognized in the community as a guy who knew his shit helped his show tremendously to get started.
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