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On August 04 2013 02:29 zer0das wrote:
Man, Spectre's Cowl is pretty awesome against Elise. Always had massive problems against her as Renekton, but now its like, get spectre's cowl, watch her run out of mana. Laugh while she has to cs under tower. Kind of makes me wonder how popular Elise would be if FoN were still around.
Riot: "FoN is useless. We're going to remove it"
Later Riot: "AP ranged tops are too strong and we need to introduce spectre's cowl"
It's fine to be wrong, but it's good to recognize the use of items :p
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until the tenacity stack glitch is fixed I see no reason not to go zephyer+alacritymercs almost every (Yi)
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On August 04 2013 02:35 Slusher wrote:
until the tenacity stack glitch is fixed I see no reason not to go zephyer+alacritymercs almost every (Yi)
It is fixed. I tried it just now with Jax and had 38% tenacity (odd that it wasn't 35). Yesterday I had 70%.
I was almost hoping Riot would leave it in to make melee ADC more "viable" but it would've made so many cc champs and exhaust useless.
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38% probably had defensive tier mastery that gives more tenacity 2/3 points
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On August 04 2013 02:36 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 02:35 Slusher wrote:
until the tenacity stack glitch is fixed I see no reason not to go zephyer+alacritymercs almost every (Yi) It is fixed. I tried it just now with Jax and had 38% tenacity (odd that it wasn't 35). Yesterday I had 70%. I was almost hoping Riot would leave it in to make melee ADC more "viable" but it would've made so many cc champs and exhaust useless.
I think if they'd just changed it so exhaust wasn't affected by tenacity (or only suffered 1/2 the reduction) it would be okay. Buying Zephyr/ Golem + Merc's is a pretty big investment.
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On August 04 2013 02:35 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 02:29 zer0das wrote:
Man, Spectre's Cowl is pretty awesome against Elise. Always had massive problems against her as Renekton, but now its like, get spectre's cowl, watch her run out of mana. Laugh while she has to cs under tower. Kind of makes me wonder how popular Elise would be if FoN were still around. Riot: "FoN is useless. We're going to remove it" Later Riot: "AP ranged tops are too strong and we need to introduce spectre's cowl" It's fine to be wrong, but it's good to recognize the use of items :p
iirc Riot said FoN was removed because of imba
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On August 04 2013 02:29 zer0das wrote:
Man, Spectre's Cowl is pretty awesome against Elise. Always had massive problems against her as Renekton, but now its like, get spectre's cowl, watch her run out of mana. Laugh while she has to cs under tower. Kind of makes me wonder how popular Elise would be if FoN were still around.
FoN was 2870 gold and only gave a fuckton of MR and hp5 (also %MS but not as relevant here), Spectre's Cowl is much more balanced because it also give HP and is like half the cost, nothing comparable from a laning PoV.
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On August 04 2013 02:45 Porishan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 02:35 obesechicken13 wrote:On August 04 2013 02:29 zer0das wrote:
Man, Spectre's Cowl is pretty awesome against Elise. Always had massive problems against her as Renekton, but now its like, get spectre's cowl, watch her run out of mana. Laugh while she has to cs under tower. Kind of makes me wonder how popular Elise would be if FoN were still around. Riot: "FoN is useless. We're going to remove it" Later Riot: "AP ranged tops are too strong and we need to introduce spectre's cowl" It's fine to be wrong, but it's good to recognize the use of items :p iirc Riot said FoN was removed because of imba
Nah, the league wiki says Riot was saying that FoN's stats didn't synergise with each other. It's not that efficient of an item, and if they just gave FoN a better build path and health, it'd be indistringuishable from cowl->sv.
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On August 04 2013 02:50 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 02:45 Porishan wrote:On August 04 2013 02:35 obesechicken13 wrote:On August 04 2013 02:29 zer0das wrote:
Man, Spectre's Cowl is pretty awesome against Elise. Always had massive problems against her as Renekton, but now its like, get spectre's cowl, watch her run out of mana. Laugh while she has to cs under tower. Kind of makes me wonder how popular Elise would be if FoN were still around. Riot: "FoN is useless. We're going to remove it" Later Riot: "AP ranged tops are too strong and we need to introduce spectre's cowl" It's fine to be wrong, but it's good to recognize the use of items :p iirc Riot said FoN was removed because of imba Nah, the league wiki says Riot was saying that FoN's stats didn't synergise with each other. It's not that efficient of an item, and if they just gave FoN a better build path and health, it'd be indistringuishable from cowl->sv.
I love FoN. When I wanted a tanky build I always went FoN + armor. FoN was everything I could ever want of a MR item for a bruiser(tons of regen, movespeed, tons of mres). The reasons make no sense..
"not that efficient of an item" yeah sure, run the math
For example if you had 3000 hp FoN alone gave you 17 hp regen per second not to mention the valuable movespeed
If we look at base item values currently, 1 hp/5 is worth 36 gold. That means that the 85 hp/5 alone was worth over 3000. FoN was 2600.
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On August 04 2013 02:50 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 02:45 Porishan wrote:On August 04 2013 02:35 obesechicken13 wrote:On August 04 2013 02:29 zer0das wrote:
Man, Spectre's Cowl is pretty awesome against Elise. Always had massive problems against her as Renekton, but now its like, get spectre's cowl, watch her run out of mana. Laugh while she has to cs under tower. Kind of makes me wonder how popular Elise would be if FoN were still around. Riot: "FoN is useless. We're going to remove it" Later Riot: "AP ranged tops are too strong and we need to introduce spectre's cowl" It's fine to be wrong, but it's good to recognize the use of items :p iirc Riot said FoN was removed because of imba Nah, the league wiki says Riot was saying that FoN's stats didn't synergise with each other. It's not that efficient of an item, and if they just gave FoN a better build path and health, it'd be indistringuishable from cowl->sv.
So basically, current Spirit Visage.
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On August 04 2013 03:01 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 02:50 obesechicken13 wrote:On August 04 2013 02:45 Porishan wrote:On August 04 2013 02:35 obesechicken13 wrote:On August 04 2013 02:29 zer0das wrote:
Man, Spectre's Cowl is pretty awesome against Elise. Always had massive problems against her as Renekton, but now its like, get spectre's cowl, watch her run out of mana. Laugh while she has to cs under tower. Kind of makes me wonder how popular Elise would be if FoN were still around. Riot: "FoN is useless. We're going to remove it" Later Riot: "AP ranged tops are too strong and we need to introduce spectre's cowl" It's fine to be wrong, but it's good to recognize the use of items :p iirc Riot said FoN was removed because of imba Nah, the league wiki says Riot was saying that FoN's stats didn't synergise with each other. It's not that efficient of an item, and if they just gave FoN a better build path and health, it'd be indistringuishable from cowl->sv. I love FoN. When I wanted a tanky build I always went FoN + armor. FoN was everything I could ever want of a MR item for a bruiser(tons of regen, movespeed, tons of mres). The reasons make no sense.. "not that efficient of an item" yeah sure, run the math For example if you had 3000 hp FoN alone gave you 17 hp regen per second not to mention the valuable movespeed If we look at base item values currently, 1 hp/5 is worth 36 gold. That means that the 85 hp/5 alone was worth over 3000. FoN was 2600. ONE HP5 IS NOT FUCKING WORTH 36 GOLD. Nobody buys rejuv beads for HP5. Nobody even bought Regrowths just for HP Regen.
HP5 is literally the WORST stat to look at gold/stat comparison because it doesnt have a linear effect over the course of the game. It also doesn't have a linear cost/stat ratio. Other stats get SLIGHTLY more efficient as the quality of item improves. HP5 doesn't even care what the regen on the bead is, you literally get more of it for free. And the thing is, the freeness of it isn't OP cost-effectiveness, it's basically required to keep HP5 even remotely relevant at all.
You have to sit on a rejuv bead for 12 minutes of not-100%-health time (so in actuality, a lot longer than 12 minutes) in order for it to be merely cost-even with a health potion. Rejuv beads are not cost-efficient.
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On August 04 2013 02:50 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 02:45 Porishan wrote:On August 04 2013 02:35 obesechicken13 wrote:On August 04 2013 02:29 zer0das wrote:
Man, Spectre's Cowl is pretty awesome against Elise. Always had massive problems against her as Renekton, but now its like, get spectre's cowl, watch her run out of mana. Laugh while she has to cs under tower. Kind of makes me wonder how popular Elise would be if FoN were still around. Riot: "FoN is useless. We're going to remove it" Later Riot: "AP ranged tops are too strong and we need to introduce spectre's cowl" It's fine to be wrong, but it's good to recognize the use of items :p iirc Riot said FoN was removed because of imba Nah, the league wiki says Riot was saying that FoN's stats didn't synergise with each other. It's not that efficient of an item, and if they just gave FoN a better build path and health, it'd be indistringuishable from cowl->sv.
FoN gave shitload of MR with the highest HP5 in the game, plus the movement speed bonus. Especially FoN + Warmog, AP carriers are useless against off-tanks or tanks in late game ( Irelia, Singed etc etc ). It's the best anti-ap in game
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So I just started playing after like a month-long break right, apparently feeding with spirit guard udyr is the new trend
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On August 04 2013 03:05 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 02:50 obesechicken13 wrote:On August 04 2013 02:45 Porishan wrote:On August 04 2013 02:35 obesechicken13 wrote:On August 04 2013 02:29 zer0das wrote:
Man, Spectre's Cowl is pretty awesome against Elise. Always had massive problems against her as Renekton, but now its like, get spectre's cowl, watch her run out of mana. Laugh while she has to cs under tower. Kind of makes me wonder how popular Elise would be if FoN were still around. Riot: "FoN is useless. We're going to remove it" Later Riot: "AP ranged tops are too strong and we need to introduce spectre's cowl" It's fine to be wrong, but it's good to recognize the use of items :p iirc Riot said FoN was removed because of imba Nah, the league wiki says Riot was saying that FoN's stats didn't synergise with each other. It's not that efficient of an item, and if they just gave FoN a better build path and health, it'd be indistringuishable from cowl->sv. So basically, current Spirit Visage.
It just took several months of buffing all the MR items to give more mr (to deal with fed ap assasins whereas before there was no good item for it), adding hp5 to cowl and sv, and the change to bulwark to encourage individual mr and making buying mr a decision for them to get back to square one.
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cowl is still different from fon. they removed fon because the three stats: regen, mr and MS(!) was too much of a ap carry counter item, because MS letz you dodge spells easily and close into the carry faster.
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Movespeed was the big deal about FoN, indeed, and I also really really felt the regen when combined with the superb regen of Randuins Omen. Also I know that the base regen items are inefficient but even so FoN was very efficient for being the one slot you spend for mres.
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On August 04 2013 01:19 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 01:10 ticklishmusic wrote:
Congrats dude!
How many challengers do we have now? You, Scip, nyxx3, Capricious... I'm bad at this. Gimme 6 months to a year ill be up there
I'll do it in 4. THE RACE IS ON
Also I just spent almost a hundred dollars on 40k models. I don't even play, I just walked past games workshop and was like "Hey these Tyranid models are pretty cool I should buy them and a rulebook."
Don't trust me with money, is what I'm saying.
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So is it correct to think they've just written off the current warmogs as a failed experiment?
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Grats, you probably have a fourth of an army now. Not accounting for paint cost and stuff.
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On August 04 2013 03:49 UniversalSnip wrote:
So is it correct to think they've just written off the current warmogs as a failed experiment?
Warmog was super successful at birth, but sadly it caught a terrible case of the BotRK and died shortly thereafter.
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