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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 18 2013 23:09 GMT
#5821
EUW is so completely dead right now. It even desync spells and projectiles that do absolutely nothing (happened to me and to an enemy Cait apparently).

And even sunday evening people are retards. Damn. It's so frustrating.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
petered
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1817 Posts
August 18 2013 23:16 GMT
#5822
On August 19 2013 08:06 UniversalSnip wrote:
just to clarify, assuming equal farm, when you are level 18 an opponent without xp masteries will be level 17.6. It has basically no impact early game unless you have a specific cheese route in mind.


I wasn't really following the jungle conversation, but how do the mechanics of experience work? I can't figure out an obvious way to calculate that 17.6 number.
This, my friends, is the power of the Shikyo Memorial for QQ therapy thread. We make the world a better place, one chainsaw massacre prevention at a time.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-18 23:21:41
August 18 2013 23:16 GMT
#5823
On August 19 2013 08:06 UniversalSnip wrote:
just to clarify, assuming equal farm, when you are level 18 an opponent without xp masteries will be level 17.6. It has basically no impact early game unless you have a specific cheese route in mind.


But all the junglers that go 21 utility aren't "equal farm" jungler.

If you a Nunu and you getting equal farm you doing it wrong. If you an Udyr and you not like double other junglers farm you doing it horribly horribly wrong.

as for maths to get how much equal experience gets you with and without that:

19720 gets you 18. So, to get that 1.05 xp rate, if you only had 1.00 XP rate you only have 18780. Level 1 requires 2040 xp, starting at 17680 from being level 17. So you have 1100 out of the needed 2040 XP, which is about 54% of the way to dinging 18.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
August 18 2013 23:20 GMT
#5824
On August 19 2013 08:16 petered wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 08:06 UniversalSnip wrote:
just to clarify, assuming equal farm, when you are level 18 an opponent without xp masteries will be level 17.6. It has basically no impact early game unless you have a specific cheese route in mind.


I wasn't really following the jungle conversation, but how do the mechanics of experience work? I can't figure out an obvious way to calculate that 17.6 number.


xp for level 18 divided by 1.05 gives you the xp you would have without the xp masteries, which is 18 thousand and something which is enough to get to a little over 17 and a half levels.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
August 18 2013 23:21 GMT
#5825
On August 19 2013 08:16 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 08:06 UniversalSnip wrote:
just to clarify, assuming equal farm, when you are level 18 an opponent without xp masteries will be level 17.6. It has basically no impact early game unless you have a specific cheese route in mind.


But all the junglers that go 21 utility aren't "equal farm" jungler.

If you a Nunu and you getting equal farm you doing it wrong. If you an Udyr and you not like double other junglers farm you doing it horribly horribly wrong.


xp masteries are good for winning because if you are not already winning you are doing it wrong
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Agnosthar
Profile Joined August 2010
631 Posts
August 18 2013 23:27 GMT
#5826
On August 19 2013 07:32 zer0das wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 07:14 iCanada wrote:
Aside Nunu and Udyr, what junglers can go 21 in utility tree and still clear and gank well?

The Utility tree is awesome, +3% movespeed, CDR, +5% xp, Spell Vamp, increased buff duration, CDR on Summoners/items so stronk.

Maybe Zac? Skarner?


Amumu can. Jarvan probably can, but I don't know why you would want to. :>


Never forget, Chauster's J4 21 utility Jungle in LCS.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
August 18 2013 23:27 GMT
#5827
On August 19 2013 08:21 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 08:16 iCanada wrote:
On August 19 2013 08:06 UniversalSnip wrote:
just to clarify, assuming equal farm, when you are level 18 an opponent without xp masteries will be level 17.6. It has basically no impact early game unless you have a specific cheese route in mind.


But all the junglers that go 21 utility aren't "equal farm" jungler.

If you a Nunu and you getting equal farm you doing it wrong. If you an Udyr and you not like double other junglers farm you doing it horribly horribly wrong.


xp masteries are good for winning because if you are not already winning you are doing it wrong


Thats not really the point... If you already a jungler that has a faster clear/counter jungles obnoxiously going 21 utility allows you to have more sustain, run faster, and have increased XP gain which gives you larger windows of time in which you are a higher level (READ: Stronger) than the opponent.

Its a Starcraft website, you understand timing windows, no? Eehan timing?
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-18 23:35:34
August 18 2013 23:30 GMT
#5828
On August 19 2013 08:27 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 08:21 UniversalSnip wrote:
On August 19 2013 08:16 iCanada wrote:
On August 19 2013 08:06 UniversalSnip wrote:
just to clarify, assuming equal farm, when you are level 18 an opponent without xp masteries will be level 17.6. It has basically no impact early game unless you have a specific cheese route in mind.


But all the junglers that go 21 utility aren't "equal farm" jungler.

If you a Nunu and you getting equal farm you doing it wrong. If you an Udyr and you not like double other junglers farm you doing it horribly horribly wrong.


xp masteries are good for winning because if you are not already winning you are doing it wrong


Thats not really the point... If you already a jungler that has a faster clear/counter jungles obnoxiously going 21 utility allows you to have more sustain, run faster, and have increased XP gain which gives you larger windows of time in which you are a higher level (READ: Stronger) than the opponent.

Its a Starcraft website, you understand timing windows, no? Eehan timing?


yah but you're acting like that 5% is pretty meaningful when it's easily the weakest part of the tree, again excepting some planned out cheese route. it's silly to exaggerate and say it gets you levels ahead when you can clearly see it doesn't do that much.
The circumstances where you're actually a level ahead of your opponent in the midgame because of the mastery specifically exist so briefly, unless they've already gotten soul crushed. I don't think people would even abuse a margin that tiny properly in a competitive game let alone solo queue.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 18 2013 23:41 GMT
#5829
On August 19 2013 08:27 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 08:21 UniversalSnip wrote:
On August 19 2013 08:16 iCanada wrote:
On August 19 2013 08:06 UniversalSnip wrote:
just to clarify, assuming equal farm, when you are level 18 an opponent without xp masteries will be level 17.6. It has basically no impact early game unless you have a specific cheese route in mind.


But all the junglers that go 21 utility aren't "equal farm" jungler.

If you a Nunu and you getting equal farm you doing it wrong. If you an Udyr and you not like double other junglers farm you doing it horribly horribly wrong.


xp masteries are good for winning because if you are not already winning you are doing it wrong


Thats not really the point... If you already a jungler that has a faster clear/counter jungles obnoxiously going 21 utility allows you to have more sustain, run faster, and have increased XP gain which gives you larger windows of time in which you are a higher level (READ: Stronger) than the opponent.

Its a Starcraft website, you understand timing windows, no? Eehan timing?


Sustain, movement speed, and extra XP sound good conceptually, but most popular junglers don't really need any of those, and direct offensive/defensive stats are way, way more important (especially competitively).
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
petered
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1817 Posts
August 18 2013 23:43 GMT
#5830
On August 19 2013 08:20 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 08:16 petered wrote:
On August 19 2013 08:06 UniversalSnip wrote:
just to clarify, assuming equal farm, when you are level 18 an opponent without xp masteries will be level 17.6. It has basically no impact early game unless you have a specific cheese route in mind.


I wasn't really following the jungle conversation, but how do the mechanics of experience work? I can't figure out an obvious way to calculate that 17.6 number.


xp for level 18 divided by 1.05 gives you the xp you would have without the xp masteries, which is 18 thousand and something which is enough to get to a little over 17 and a half levels.


For some reason I always thought that the experience from one level to the next was flat, which is why this made no sense to me at first. Interestingly, the increased experience needed per level to get to the next is 110 (starts at 280 for 1-2, 390 for 2-3, etc.) which seems really random to me.
This, my friends, is the power of the Shikyo Memorial for QQ therapy thread. We make the world a better place, one chainsaw massacre prevention at a time.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
August 18 2013 23:44 GMT
#5831
On August 19 2013 08:41 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 08:27 iCanada wrote:
On August 19 2013 08:21 UniversalSnip wrote:
On August 19 2013 08:16 iCanada wrote:
On August 19 2013 08:06 UniversalSnip wrote:
just to clarify, assuming equal farm, when you are level 18 an opponent without xp masteries will be level 17.6. It has basically no impact early game unless you have a specific cheese route in mind.


But all the junglers that go 21 utility aren't "equal farm" jungler.

If you a Nunu and you getting equal farm you doing it wrong. If you an Udyr and you not like double other junglers farm you doing it horribly horribly wrong.


xp masteries are good for winning because if you are not already winning you are doing it wrong


Thats not really the point... If you already a jungler that has a faster clear/counter jungles obnoxiously going 21 utility allows you to have more sustain, run faster, and have increased XP gain which gives you larger windows of time in which you are a higher level (READ: Stronger) than the opponent.

Its a Starcraft website, you understand timing windows, no? Eehan timing?


Sustain, movement speed, and extra XP sound good conceptually, but most popular junglers don't really need any of those, and direct offensive/defensive stats are way, way more important (especially competitively).


Which jungles can duel Udyr 1v1? Who can catch nunu to make him duel?
Atheros
Profile Joined January 2011
United States84 Posts
August 18 2013 23:45 GMT
#5832
On August 19 2013 08:30 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 08:27 iCanada wrote:
On August 19 2013 08:21 UniversalSnip wrote:
On August 19 2013 08:16 iCanada wrote:
On August 19 2013 08:06 UniversalSnip wrote:
just to clarify, assuming equal farm, when you are level 18 an opponent without xp masteries will be level 17.6. It has basically no impact early game unless you have a specific cheese route in mind.


But all the junglers that go 21 utility aren't "equal farm" jungler.

If you a Nunu and you getting equal farm you doing it wrong. If you an Udyr and you not like double other junglers farm you doing it horribly horribly wrong.


xp masteries are good for winning because if you are not already winning you are doing it wrong


Thats not really the point... If you already a jungler that has a faster clear/counter jungles obnoxiously going 21 utility allows you to have more sustain, run faster, and have increased XP gain which gives you larger windows of time in which you are a higher level (READ: Stronger) than the opponent.

Its a Starcraft website, you understand timing windows, no? Eehan timing?


yah but you're acting like that 5% is pretty meaningful when it's easily the weakest part of the tree, again excepting some planned out cheese route. it's silly to exaggerate and say it gets you levels ahead when you can clearly see it doesn't do that much.
The circumstances where you're actually a level ahead of your opponent in the midgame because of the mastery specifically exist so briefly, unless they've already gotten soul crushed. I don't think people would even abuse a margin that tiny properly in a competitive game let alone solo queue.


The only reason to get it is that it lets you hit lvl 3 after doing one buff and the wolves + wraiths. I have done it before for cheesy things like Morgana jungle. It lets you hit lvl 3 and gank mid before 3 min on a jungler that is too squishy to go buff to buff. Still very cheesy though, if you don't get a kill off that gank you are useless after.
Holy Check!
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-18 23:55:00
August 18 2013 23:53 GMT
#5833
On a completely different subject, Velocity eSports failed to win a single game last week. A certain, foolish someone promised that, in such an event, he would stream for an entire day and jungle whatever champions the peanut gallery deemed worthy to inflict upon him. The level of stupidity required for someone to make such an idiotic, ill-advised gamble is inconceivable, but nevertheless there was one ignorant man who did.

That silly sod is me.

Tomorrow, starting around 16:00 GMT (+00:00), Montegomery's Jungle Japers begins. I regret everything.

I reserve the right to practice any prescribed jungler in custom games before going into the queue to tarnish my good name. I also reserve the right to drop out of the ranked queue and into normals if champion select becomes a game of dodgeball. Finally, I reserve the right to weep bitter tears of regret, sorrow, profound sadness, and emptiness in any way I deem necessary.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
August 18 2013 23:53 GMT
#5834
just because winning with a build =/= build is good
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
August 18 2013 23:53 GMT
#5835
As seemingly outclassed Lee may be right now, he is still strong as fuck at dueling early on. Guy has so much free damage.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 00:07:40
August 19 2013 00:06 GMT
#5836
On August 19 2013 08:53 Seuss wrote:
On a completely different subject, Velocity eSports failed to win a single game last week. A certain, foolish someone promised that, in such an event, he would stream for an entire day and jungle whatever champions the peanut gallery deemed worthy to inflict upon him. The level of stupidity required for someone to make such an idiotic, ill-advised gamble is inconceivable, but nevertheless there was one ignorant man who did.

That silly sod is me.

Tomorrow, starting around 16:00 GMT (+00:00), Montegomery's Jungle Japers begins. I regret everything.

I reserve the right to practice any prescribed jungler in custom games before going into the queue to tarnish my good name. I also reserve the right to drop out of the ranked queue and into normals if champion select becomes a game of dodgeball. Finally, I reserve the right to weep bitter tears of regret, sorrow, profound sadness, and emptiness in any way I deem necessary.


List of things I've jungled in ranked games(and won with)

Yorick
Vayne
Singed
Kayle

Normals

Rumble
Sion
Urgot
Mordekaiser
Porouscloud - NA LoL
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 00:07:54
August 19 2013 00:07 GMT
#5837
we wanna see da ali. also ad sion.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 19 2013 00:11 GMT
#5838
On August 19 2013 08:53 Seuss wrote:
On a completely different subject, Velocity eSports failed to win a single game last week. A certain, foolish someone promised that, in such an event, he would stream for an entire day and jungle whatever champions the peanut gallery deemed worthy to inflict upon him. The level of stupidity required for someone to make such an idiotic, ill-advised gamble is inconceivable, but nevertheless there was one ignorant man who did.

That silly sod is me.

Tomorrow, starting around 16:00 GMT (+00:00), Montegomery's Jungle Japers begins. I regret everything.

I reserve the right to practice any prescribed jungler in custom games before going into the queue to tarnish my good name. I also reserve the right to drop out of the ranked queue and into normals if champion select becomes a game of dodgeball. Finally, I reserve the right to weep bitter tears of regret, sorrow, profound sadness, and emptiness in any way I deem necessary.

1. Stupidity is never a criterion when it comes to gambling or not. Er, I mean, gambling. There's no "not gambling" option.
2. You better groom that goatee like a playboy if you want me to forgive your saying you regret a gamble. This is a criminal attitude which should make you more shameful than any jungling performance you might display tomorrow. Get your act together, Mr. Monte.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21248 Posts
August 19 2013 00:16 GMT
#5839
On August 19 2013 08:53 Cloud9157 wrote:
As seemingly outclassed Lee may be right now,


wat
TranslatorBaa!
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 00:20:49
August 19 2013 00:17 GMT
#5840
On August 19 2013 09:11 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 08:53 Seuss wrote:
On a completely different subject, Velocity eSports failed to win a single game last week. A certain, foolish someone promised that, in such an event, he would stream for an entire day and jungle whatever champions the peanut gallery deemed worthy to inflict upon him. The level of stupidity required for someone to make such an idiotic, ill-advised gamble is inconceivable, but nevertheless there was one ignorant man who did.

That silly sod is me.

Tomorrow, starting around 16:00 GMT (+00:00), Montegomery's Jungle Japers begins. I regret everything.

I reserve the right to practice any prescribed jungler in custom games before going into the queue to tarnish my good name. I also reserve the right to drop out of the ranked queue and into normals if champion select becomes a game of dodgeball. Finally, I reserve the right to weep bitter tears of regret, sorrow, profound sadness, and emptiness in any way I deem necessary.

1. Stupidity is never a criterion when it comes to gambling or not. Er, I mean, gambling. There's no "not gambling" option.
2. You better groom that goatee like a playboy if you want me to forgive your saying you regret a gamble. This is a criminal attitude which should make you more shameful than any jungling performance you might display tomorrow. Get your act together, Mr. Monte.


It was stupid because what I did was equivalent to betting on Li'l Brudder in a dog race.

Edit: Sorry VES I love you guys don't hurt me.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
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