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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-18 16:48:31
August 18 2013 16:35 GMT
#5781
On August 18 2013 15:34 ETisME wrote:
man Elise is such a nice champ to buy, you can play her in almost every lane :D
about school, if you get a lot of electives, always choose language units, they boost your GPA and since no one really reads what you studied at uni, you will have a good looking transcript (learnt this too late unfortunately)
while busines class has units that meant to fail around 35 to 40% of the students, language units don't have this at all and it isn't rare to have whole class passing around 70% average

I was horrible at languages in high school. I couldn't memorize enough and got distracted on games. I think you really need to take interest into consideration.

edit: on topic
Some time after the end of season 2 I decided I wanted to just play 5 champions. One for each role.

I know a lot of people play one champ for top and jungle but I'm a jungle main and used to be a top main and there are subtle nuiances that seem to make some champions better at one role than another. There aren't many champions that wouldn't be better off in one lane than another.

It took a while to start seeing improvements. I basically tried out a bunch of champions and tried to see which made the most sense and dropped out of Silver 1 due to a 25% win rate on 20 games as tank/bruiser Jayce. But eventually I got good enough with Malz, Rengar, and Jax that I feel like I am confident in picking them. I have item sets and rune pages for them. Focusing on a few champions will definitely let you gain rank faster than trying to diversify and counterpick.

By the championselect site, Kassadin, Talon, Yorick, Teemo, Jayce, and Cait should all have 85% win rates. They don't. Even unfavored matchups are not often heavily unfavored. For instance championselect says that Kassadin hard counters Fizz, but then you get people who main Fizz and beat Kassadins regularly and have game plans for beating Kass.


+1 Fizz counters Kassadin

Okay please allow me to explain something because alot of fizz players do not understand Fizz's combo. Thus leads to people saying kass and other champs counter Fizz.

Theirs 2 kind of Fizz players, ones that initiate with their E and players who initiate with their Q.

One way is the right way an one isn't,

The right way is to initiate with your Q, now allow me to explain why?

E should only be used for 3 things and 3 things only.

- Escape (Ganks/Pursuing enemies)
- Dodge (Ults/Skillshots)
- Catchup (To flashes)

It should NOT be used to initiate fights. Why? Because what happens if you E in and suddenly the enemy jungler appears?
Or you lose a trade?
Turret targets you?
Your not unable to escape because of these reasons.

The proper harrass combo is W/Q/AA/E(to escape) and walk away when they flee to save mana and cd on your E.

The proper Kill combo would be R/W/Q/AA/AA/E and igniting if need be.

Now thats settled allow me to explain why Fizz beats Kassadin, Your Q has a longer range then his Q therefore if you activate W then Q him even if he silences you'll 1. be next to him auto attacking, 2. you W is activated prior and you'll be hitting DOT.

You will always win trades with a kassadin early game.

Now what about level 6? All kassadins initiate with their ults then followed up with a combo, then ult out.

When they are about to do this simply doing your normal harrass combo then followed with an ult prior to his ult out, will lock him down from escaping and after your ult goes off he's either 1. dead? or 2. you follow him and W/Q = dead.

very late game you'll still deal tones of damage on kassadin the only difference is his team will be there to help him escape.

All in all Fizz counters Kassadin, and people saying other wise, then you need to go back to the drawing board and try the match up again with the proper combo now in your heads.

http://www.championselect.net/champ/Kassadin
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
August 18 2013 16:35 GMT
#5782
On August 19 2013 00:51 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Ive been on a shaco binge lately in ranked.

EDIT: but im not korean

Every time I see a Shaco on my team in ranked, I think my mind blows a gasket.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-18 16:51:59
August 18 2013 16:51 GMT
#5783
Championselect is pretty bad because these kinds of sites have more visits from bad/uninformed people looking for information than from those knowing the match-ups and stuff, thus skewing pretty heavily the general knowledge level on the sites, and working from votes helps perpetuage popular mistakes (like any champ with a hard cc is suddenly the hardest counter there is to Katarina mid).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
August 18 2013 16:58 GMT
#5784
On August 19 2013 01:51 Alaric wrote:
Championselect is pretty bad because these kinds of sites have more visits from bad/uninformed people looking for information than from those knowing the match-ups and stuff, thus skewing pretty heavily the general knowledge level on the sites, and working from votes helps perpetuage popular mistakes (like any champ with a hard cc is suddenly the hardest counter there is to Katarina mid).

And Lee sin is a counter to every stealth champion.

Championselect is representative of LoL's population though, so misinformation in championselect is misinformation among the average LoL player across all ranks.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23342 Posts
August 18 2013 17:02 GMT
#5785
statistics are a pretty good gauge though, unless there is something that automatically changes everything when you get to a certain level, or other factors like previously mentioned lee sin vs stealth and cc vs kat or w/e might show up a little but you dont have to take them blindly

if you're looking to pick against a champ champselect isnt going to set you far off if you pick from one of the 3 "counters"
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
August 18 2013 17:06 GMT
#5786
I did really well in my spanish class when i had a hot teacher sticking her ass on my table / paper during exams and wiggling. Made me pay so much attention (To her ass.)

Championselect etc can be used effectively by using it + your common sense. If you can think things through logically you can work out whats good and bad out of the bunch.

I want some top / mid champs that dont get countered easily. ?
Useless wet fish.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
August 18 2013 17:09 GMT
#5787
On August 19 2013 02:06 Capped wrote:
I did really well in my spanish class when i had a hot teacher sticking her ass on my table / paper during exams and wiggling. Made me pay so much attention (To her ass.)

Championselect etc can be used effectively by using it + your common sense. If you can think things through logically you can work out whats good and bad out of the bunch.

I want some top / mid champs that dont get countered easily. ?

Jayce, Rumble, Kennen, and Zac are all hard to counter top lane, and Zed is a really safe midlaner even when he does get countered
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
August 18 2013 17:09 GMT
#5788
The other problem is that some of these matchups WERE counters a year ago, but aren't anymore due to item/ability changes.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-18 18:36:57
August 18 2013 18:34 GMT
#5789
On August 19 2013 02:02 Slayer91 wrote:
statistics are a pretty good gauge though, unless there is something that automatically changes everything when you get to a certain level, or other factors like previously mentioned lee sin vs stealth and cc vs kat or w/e might show up a little but you dont have to take them blindly

if you're looking to pick against a champ champselect isnt going to set you far off if you pick from one of the 3 "counters"


I dunno about that, many of those champselect things are just flawed. For example my personal "counterpick" to Pantheon is Gangplank.

Spartan isn't exactly going to kick your ass when you come to lane with a cloth+5 and a full armor rune page. 40+15+18.8+6 = 80 armor at level 1. In fact, with oranges Spartan isn't really going to be able to touch you until he invests 2400 gold into a last whisper, in which point you just bought SotAG and are well on your way to buying Shiv+IE just from GP ult assists (Karthus style!) and you not just auto lose anymore.
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
August 18 2013 18:40 GMT
#5790
What's the logic to Zac not being easily countered top lane? I play Zac (But not extensively) so I don't know the in's and out's of his laning phase. Is Zac hard to counter because he has so much CC and sustain? From my experience Zac isn't a phenomenal duelist, (If this is wrong someone tell me!) so I'd imagine that some champions would be able to bully him very hard.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23342 Posts
August 18 2013 18:42 GMT
#5791
well thats a pretty specific lists of things to do and its not like you can stomp lane, unless you really know what you're doing (in which case youknow what to pick) panth is a pretty decent pick against gp

same thing with nasus against riven, i used to lose pretty hard to riven and its a listed counterpick however when you get better and learn to play more solidly nasus is fine in that matchup, but it doesnt disqualify the championselect.net counter just because its not 100% accurate
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
August 18 2013 18:48 GMT
#5792
On August 19 2013 03:42 Slayer91 wrote:
well thats a pretty specific lists of things to do and its not like you can stomp lane, unless you really know what you're doing (in which case youknow what to pick) panth is a pretty decent pick against gp

same thing with nasus against riven, i used to lose pretty hard to riven and its a listed counterpick however when you get better and learn to play more solidly nasus is fine in that matchup, but it doesnt disqualify the championselect.net counter just because its not 100% accurate


Well, it is also probably the safest matchup for GP to just get free farmed in if you play it right.

But yeah, comes from hundreds of hundreds of games played as Pantheon. ^_^
Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
August 18 2013 19:03 GMT
#5793
On August 19 2013 00:51 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Ive been on a shaco binge lately in ranked.

EDIT: but im not korean


you're a horrible person. the clown is dead and should stay burried
"If yellow does start SC2, I should start handsomenerd diaper busniess and become a rich man" - John the Translator
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
August 18 2013 19:22 GMT
#5794
On August 19 2013 03:40 Frudgey wrote:
What's the logic to Zac not being easily countered top lane? I play Zac (But not extensively) so I don't know the in's and out's of his laning phase. Is Zac hard to counter because he has so much CC and sustain? From my experience Zac isn't a phenomenal duelist, (If this is wrong someone tell me!) so I'd imagine that some champions would be able to bully him very hard.

To hijack the Korean term, Zac is a big, fat herbivore. He doesn't have incredible kill threat/potential without a gank, while being good at getting away from ganks. People often try to focus too much on knocking out of lane and end up falling behind in lane/farm.

That and nobody buys Executioner's Calling, ever.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23342 Posts
August 18 2013 19:39 GMT
#5795
On August 19 2013 03:48 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 03:42 Slayer91 wrote:
well thats a pretty specific lists of things to do and its not like you can stomp lane, unless you really know what you're doing (in which case youknow what to pick) panth is a pretty decent pick against gp

same thing with nasus against riven, i used to lose pretty hard to riven and its a listed counterpick however when you get better and learn to play more solidly nasus is fine in that matchup, but it doesnt disqualify the championselect.net counter just because its not 100% accurate


Well, it is also probably the safest matchup for GP to just get free farmed in if you play it right.

But yeah, comes from hundreds of hundreds of games played as Pantheon. ^_^


im sure there are plenty of lanes gp can free farm in if you play with the same precision and matchup knowledge
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
August 18 2013 19:44 GMT
#5796
As much as I hate the yordle with a passion, I can't believe Riot hasn't cashed in on making him a legendary skin based on

+ Show Spoiler +


would it be legalities getting in the way of awesomeness again?
Crispy Bacon craving overload.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
August 18 2013 19:46 GMT
#5797
On August 18 2013 21:26 Shikyo wrote:
Well, to be absolutely honest, Heimerdinger is really strong vs Diana... >_>


Apart from that, Mordekaiser should beat her if you don't get behind early but she's kind of difficult to counter because she can mostly just max shield first and farm anyway. Malzahar is pretty strong vs her because her allin is worse than yours and Malzahar harrasses like a baws but Diana can still farm somewhat due to the shield.



I'll echo those sentiments.

Mordekaiser is flat out the counter to Diana. Assuming equal level, there's nothing she can do against him once he hits level 3. Diana just naturally has issues with bruisers.

I haven't played enough of the Malzahar match but I did have Heimer picked against me as Diana an awful amount of times and it is by far more annoying than I thought. Ganking him is a huge chore especially thanks to his ult + turrets hitting VERY hard. Every cs = eat a rocket. Even if you kill him, it doesn't really shut him down thanks to his pushing. And if you ever shove wave to roam somehow, he just takes your turret. It's very infuriating as a matchup but due to Heimer's other issues, it's obv not a big deal.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
August 18 2013 20:01 GMT
#5798
On August 19 2013 00:42 JimmiC wrote:
Finally I am in my Promo series to GOLD! =-)

Good Luck hope you make it
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
SimulatedAnneal
Profile Joined March 2012
765 Posts
August 18 2013 21:03 GMT
#5799
On August 19 2013 04:44 Parametric wrote:
As much as I hate the yordle with a passion, I can't believe Riot hasn't cashed in on making him a legendary skin based on

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6eQ78HCGEA


would it be legalities getting in the way of awesomeness again?


Yep. Buffer has trademarked it and keeps his lawyers active going after people that use it without licensing it.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-18 21:28:11
August 18 2013 21:27 GMT
#5800
On August 18 2013 10:19 MattBarry wrote:
So friends in TL LoL, how much free time should I expect to have in college to play league, or really videogames in general? My parents seem to think it's all business and I should be studying a vast majority of the time but neither of them went to college so I don't know how much I should trust in their judgement regarding that.


It's important to keep grades up to get internships/co-ops while you're in school. 90% of the time, a GPA of 3.0+ is good enough for most jobs, (I have ~3.3 atm), there's little reason to push yourself to 3.5+ since that requires an absurd amount of work unless you're naturally gifted at your subject. I still played a pretty hefty amount of league when I was in school, probably around 2-3 hours of gaming per day on average through most weeks, (I'm a computer engineering major) but no matter what, put grades first. I'd go weeks without playing much more than WotD if that if there were major projects/exams stacked up. I'm attending the University of British Columbia and living at home ~1 hour of transit from school so you'll probably have more time than me.

I don't like the education system in the US though, I pay ~$7500 a year for school, far less than foreign students at UBC and that's still cheaper than many places in the US. I'm currently doing an internship with SAP and I'm getting just shy of 40k/year and I just finished my third year of uni.

My plans though.

Finish internship (~1 year)
Finish School, acquire BaSC and iron ring (8 months)
Enter MaSC program somewhere (2-4 years depending on how much I work)
assess need for PhD
-> P. Eng or PhD, depending on circumstances

Also, free weekend! I get to play lol for the first time in ~2 weeks =D
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