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IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
August 18 2013 08:33 GMT
#5741
alright to get back on the topic of league. I really like ezreal, he's my most played champ overall. but he has like no laning presence at all. This used to be no problem in silver-gold because I could just outplay most other adc's, but now adc's are pretty good at knowing how to trade. And ezreal sucks at that. Twitch, Graves, Cait, Vayne, and Trist can all trade better than ezreal imo, especially if I cant hit my q's because of minions or something. im thinking on just giving up on him, because I'd rather have an adc that can be aggressive in lane and actually win lanes without jungler presence for once. but that's too bad, because I really like playing as ez
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
August 18 2013 08:42 GMT
#5742
it's funny, back when ad carries were mid laners ezreal was famed for his ridiculous level two all-in. even post-nerf it was considered pretty strong although nobody much played him for a long while.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11825 Posts
August 18 2013 08:43 GMT
#5743
Ez is pretty good at being aggressive if you are pushing your enemy and there are not that many of their minions around. However, Ez is also pretty bad at pushing. If you can get a support that is good at pushing and make them push with you, Ez can be rather aggressive.
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
August 18 2013 08:52 GMT
#5744
Yall missing all the Chawy hype from the Season 3 Southeast Asia Regional Finals. I highly recommend it.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-18 09:43:41
August 18 2013 09:40 GMT
#5745
On August 18 2013 16:27 JazzVortical wrote:
Just bought Vlad. Am I a terrible person?

As terrible as his puns.

All of them.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
August 18 2013 09:50 GMT
#5746
I'm curious, what are your guys' opinions on people that get into challenger playing like only singed? Are they actually good players or not? Singed doesnt require basically any mechanical skill, and I wonder if they would be able to get into d1/challenger playing someone else that was harder.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
August 18 2013 09:56 GMT
#5747
On August 18 2013 18:40 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2013 16:27 JazzVortical wrote:
Just bought Vlad. Am I a terrible person?

As terrible as his puns.

All of them.

Go on. Be negative.
You'll be just my type.

But guys, I just tried super splitpush Rengar top lane. It is the scariest shit I've ever seen. Tiamat and Bork gives Rengar the tools to do literally anything. Dives, 1v1, instant waveclear, amazing roaming, ability to 3-shot towers the moment the enemy laner leaves, and solid escapes.

Seriously this is wrecking some diamonds that I'm being matched against right now.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11825 Posts
August 18 2013 09:57 GMT
#5748
They must be doing something right, because there are only a limited amount of challenger spots. Mechanical skill is not the only skill in this game, and apparently they are doing something so well that they are in the top 50 players in their region. I'd guess that is something like decisionmaking due to an information asymmetry. In my opinion, success counts, because that is pretty much the only objective way of judging play in this game. Why should someone get to decide what is good and what isn't, when you can just look at what works. After all, it is not like noone else could play singed. But that guy apparently does it much better then anyone else.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-18 10:00:55
August 18 2013 09:59 GMT
#5749
Probably has good game sense and fully understands all matchups for that champion. If they tried to play another champ with same dedication no doubt they would be just as good. Also your definition of harder is funny. Considering meta, much harder to get to challengers with singed than most champions.
liftlift > tsm
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
August 18 2013 10:14 GMT
#5750
I agree with what's being said. You can "cheese" your way into Diamond, I doubt you can go as far as challenger without real understanding of the game.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
RageOverdose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States690 Posts
August 18 2013 10:35 GMT
#5751
Is picking champions you are very experienced with more important than counter picking? Like, I get into SoloQ, and I pick Kassadin. Then they pick an AD mid, Swain, or Cho (I don't first pick Kassadin, I swear). Sometimes they main the champion, like I main Kassadin, and I just accept that I'm underfarmed and underleveled. Then sometimes they don't, and with some careful play and jungle assistance, it goes in my favor and we end up winning because I have an idea of what to do with Kassadin (but I'm only Silver so I have a long way to go).

Same with Sivir. I tend to have good success with Sivir in ranked because I learned how to play the game with her, and I was playing with my level 30 friends as I was leveling. So sure, I could pick Caitlyn into Vayne, but I'm trash with Caitlyn in comparison to Sivir. But again, only Silver III. Do I need to have a large pool of champions to be good at in case of counters? I mean, I'm good at 3 roles (for my level), but do I need a lot of champions? I feel like I spend too much time trying to learn all these champions, and I get overwhelmed with trying to learn them and I don't feel like I'm progressing, instead of when I was leveling and I basically only played Morgana, Kassadin, and Sivir.

I want to get better but I've lost all my ranked games lately and I feel like it's because I'm always trying to counter something or prevent being counter picked. Mostly because my team complains if it happens when I go mid (they don't seem to care otherwise).
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 18 2013 10:41 GMT
#5752
Playing what you're proficient with is a steady strat in solo q. Counterpicking has an odd way of going wrong if you don't know the ins and outs of said champion.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
August 18 2013 10:44 GMT
#5753
On August 18 2013 19:35 RageOverdose wrote:
Is picking champions you are very experienced with more important than counter picking? Like, I get into SoloQ, and I pick Kassadin. Then they pick an AD mid, Swain, or Cho (I don't first pick Kassadin, I swear). Sometimes they main the champion, like I main Kassadin, and I just accept that I'm underfarmed and underleveled. Then sometimes they don't, and with some careful play and jungle assistance, it goes in my favor and we end up winning because I have an idea of what to do with Kassadin (but I'm only Silver so I have a long way to go).

Same with Sivir. I tend to have good success with Sivir in ranked because I learned how to play the game with her, and I was playing with my level 30 friends as I was leveling. So sure, I could pick Caitlyn into Vayne, but I'm trash with Caitlyn in comparison to Sivir. But again, only Silver III. Do I need to have a large pool of champions to be good at in case of counters? I mean, I'm good at 3 roles (for my level), but do I need a lot of champions? I feel like I spend too much time trying to learn all these champions, and I get overwhelmed with trying to learn them and I don't feel like I'm progressing, instead of when I was leveling and I basically only played Morgana, Kassadin, and Sivir.

I want to get better but I've lost all my ranked games lately and I feel like it's because I'm always trying to counter something or prevent being counter picked. Mostly because my team complains if it happens when I go mid (they don't seem to care otherwise).


Speaking as a Bronze level mid player, counters mean diddly squat. People get far too hung up on counters. The amount of times I've seen people try to counter pick and get smashed is ridiculous. I play mostly Syndra and Zyra and people always try someone like Talon against that, but unless they play a lot of him, they don't get far. You're much better off playing a champ you know you can play well. If they whinge and moan, so be it. Chances are they were going to no matter who you played.

Plus, it gives you the experience of playing safe vs someone who is at an advantage. It's really good practice CSing and not feeding while you're at a disadvantage.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
August 18 2013 10:45 GMT
#5754
Counter picks don't mean anything. I know someone who will always first pick katarina, get counter-picked by everyone on the enemy team, then still get super fed and pentakill multiple times.
No I'm never serious.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
August 18 2013 10:49 GMT
#5755
On August 18 2013 19:45 Nytefish wrote:
Counter picks don't mean anything. I know someone who will always first pick katarina, get counter-picked by everyone on the enemy team, then still get super fed and pentakill multiple times.

While counter picks are over rated. If the other person is equally skilled at said champ it becomes alot harder.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
August 18 2013 11:24 GMT
#5756
Why do you need counter picks when you can just pick Kassadin every game? gg
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 18 2013 11:26 GMT
#5757
On August 18 2013 20:24 ketchup wrote:
Why do you need counter picks when you can just pick Kassadin every game? gg

Fizz.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-18 11:33:17
August 18 2013 11:28 GMT
#5758
Even if equal skills in lane, it always depend on individual skills and your overall team comp. You can always "lose" lane and "win" game, laning phase is such a minor detail that rarely means anything unless you feed hardcore.
hi
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
August 18 2013 11:48 GMT
#5759
Learning to play more champions in more roles increases the number of strategies at your disposal, while practicing one champion improves your execution at a small portion of those strategies. Both contribute to the outcome of a game.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
August 18 2013 12:06 GMT
#5760
On August 18 2013 20:28 Sponkz wrote:
Even if equal skills in lane, it always depend on individual skills and your overall team comp. You can always "lose" lane and "win" game, laning phase is such a minor detail that rarely means anything unless you feed hardcore.


Depends on your champion.With stuff like caitlyn if you don't win lane you gotta afk farm next 40 minutes to not be useless.
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