EPT[Patch 3.10: Yimake Patch] General Discussion - Page 289
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IMoperator
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Apart from that, Mordekaiser should beat her if you don't get behind early but she's kind of difficult to counter because she can mostly just max shield first and farm anyway. Malzahar is pretty strong vs her because her allin is worse than yours and Malzahar harrasses like a baws but Diana can still farm somewhat due to the shield. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On August 18 2013 21:06 nafta wrote: Depends on your champion.With stuff like caitlyn if you don't win lane you gotta afk farm next 40 minutes to not be useless. Yeah if you go 0-5 and they get your turret very early. As long as you know how to prevent yourself from becoming near useless, you always have a chance of recovery without going into late-game. | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
On August 18 2013 21:11 IMoperator wrote: Does diana have any really bad matchups mid? She's not really played mid often, but Riven is actually really good against Diana. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On August 18 2013 21:46 Dusty wrote: She's not really played mid often, but Riven is actually really good against Diana. I don't understand this at all. I've seen Riven players go mid (sup Cap) and utterly dominate. Blows my mind every single time. | ||
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
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Pippi
Sweden540 Posts
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IMoperator
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On August 18 2013 22:20 IMoperator wrote: oh yeah i have another question now that you mentioned runes. For an ap page, do you take mr + armor, or do you have separate ones for each? Like I have a magic resist page and also a armor page, and both have mana regen runes. I dislike having both armor + mr on the same page now because im so used to having a ton of mana regen (it really helps because I play a lot of mids like lux, ziggs, zyra, ahri, etc.) but most people I see seem to have both armor + mr. If you have enough rune pages, you can obviously spec out a few for your AP Mids. I personally have 3 "generic" pages for my AP Mids. (I say generic because I pick my pages usually depending on who I'm playing against in lane. It's not champion specific) That said, if you're short on pages, MR+Armor is probably the best one to have. Mana Regen is nice but I've all but weaned myself off Mana Regen runes. Armor allows you to trade much better in lane, not to mention jungle ganks. Opening with double Ring or Grail often covered any mana problems. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Granted I tend to be somewhat aggressive with short-range champs (Viktor, Orianna's 500 aa range), especially during the early levels so the armour helps against minion aggro and auto retaliation. When jungling something physical (Vi, Nocturne mostly) if lolnexus tells me the opposing mid has AP or mp5 seals (most common stuff apart from armour) I'll tend to focus on him rather than the off laner, barring particular match-ups, just because they'll be easier for me to 100-0 in a gank (your flash and the short lane don't matter if you die before you get to use it). On August 18 2013 19:35 RageOverdose wrote: Is picking champions you are very experienced with more important than counter picking? 1. Got carried to Gold with Viktor as my only mid despite all his shortcomings. Played him in all 3 promos wins. 2. I could play Thresh or Zac. But I'm bad at the former and I don't have fun with the latter (on top of having an heavy dislike for the champion itself), so I stick to Zyra or Vi. Not as OP/tryhard but I know how to play them. 3. When I picked Orianna back up because Viktor felt a bit lonely, the difference between the 1st game and the 20th felt huge. I already knew the basics of her gameplay, ideas about core builds, ball delivery, etc. but there were all these subtleties I picked up from playing a bunch of match-ups, getting punished and noticing stuff from it, which suddenly made my laning much more solid. I've got 2 champs for each role mini ('cept AD because I don't play it, pretty much), so while I don't pick something as a specific counter, if I already know what I'm going against I tend to pick the most adapted champion from my pool ('cept top because there's so much overlap between Irelia and Jax... need to pick up a 3rd to complement them in terms of match-ups/team role). I don't pick a champ in the role I'm playing to counter so much as I sometimes call a role because I have something already in my pool I am confident to use against their pick. TL;DR: Mastery > counters, and the lower you are the truer it is. However you can still improve miles by playing other stuff, not necessarily to the same level of mastery as your "one-trick pony", but if only to learn other perspectives and know what to expect/how the game works in general (especially true of the jungle if you're used to solo laning). | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On August 18 2013 22:20 IMoperator wrote: oh yeah i have another question now that you mentioned runes. For an ap page, do you take mr + armor, or do you have separate ones for each? Like I have a magic resist page and also a armor page, and both have mana regen runes. I dislike having both armor + mr on the same page now because im so used to having a ton of mana regen (it really helps because I play a lot of mids like lux, ziggs, zyra, ahri, etc.) but most people I see seem to have both armor + mr. my pages are MS quints/mpen/armor/mr or flat ap/mpen/armor/mr or flat ap/mpen/scaling ap/scaling ap in reality unless you are fighting a talon or lb or something rune pages don't matter as much for mid lane they just make things a little easier during laning phase but they aren't the end of the world there are only a couple of champions that you need to worry about the flat AP cause it helps them clear waves quicker like TF and gragas | ||
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RageOverdose
United States690 Posts
On August 18 2013 22:37 Alaric wrote: 1. Got carried to Gold with Viktor as my only mid despite all his shortcomings. Played him in all 3 promos wins. 2. I could play Thresh or Zac. But I'm bad at the former and I don't have fun with the latter (on top of having an heavy dislike for the champion itself), so I stick to Zyra or Vi. Not as OP/tryhard but I know how to play them. 3. When I picked Orianna back up because Viktor felt a bit lonely, the difference between the 1st game and the 20th felt huge. I already knew the basics of her gameplay, ideas about core builds, ball delivery, etc. but there were all these subtleties I picked up from playing a bunch of match-ups, getting punished and noticing stuff from it, which suddenly made my laning much more solid. I've got 2 champs for each role mini ('cept AD because I don't play it, pretty much), so while I don't pick something as a specific counter, if I already know what I'm going against I tend to pick the most adapted champion from my pool ('cept top because there's so much overlap between Irelia and Jax... need to pick up a 3rd to complement them in terms of match-ups/team role). I don't pick a champ in the role I'm playing to counter so much as I sometimes call a role because I have something already in my pool I am confident to use against their pick. TL;DR: Mastery > counters, and the lower you are the truer it is. However you can still improve miles by playing other stuff, not necessarily to the same level of mastery as your "one-trick pony", but if only to learn other perspectives and know what to expect/how the game works in general (especially true of the jungle if you're used to solo laning). Thanks for this (and the other) responses. I actually went into some normals to warm up a bit with Kassadin and Morgana, and I did decently well. Felt good to play them again. I definitely know I need to add a Champion or two to my pool for top and mid, but I was going to an extreme and basically playing a different champion every game, many of which I had very few games on. I guess I got lost of the fact this is a game, and I play it for fun. I don't need to always pick the most ideal situations, because at the end of the day I still have 4 teammates that can make up for any difficult matchups. I should pick what I enjoy and what I'm good at. And that happens to be Flashing into a team, pressing W -> R -> 1 and watching my team follow up. | ||
Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On August 18 2013 22:35 NeoIllusions wrote: If you have enough rune pages, you can obviously spec out a few for your AP Mids. I personally have 3 "generic" pages for my AP Mids. (I say generic because I pick my pages usually depending on who I'm playing against in lane. It's not champion specific) That said, if you're short on pages, MR+Armor is probably the best one to have. Mana Regen is nice but I've all but weaned myself off Mana Regen runes. Armor allows you to trade much better in lane, not to mention jungle ganks. Opening with double Ring or Grail often covered any mana problems. + Show Spoiler [Ket loves his rune pages] + I've got 14 different mid lane rune pages. There's all kinds of combinations you can do. Armor + MR if the enemy has a really scary early game. (such as a strong ganking AD jungler and a good followup AP mid) Health per level + MR if the enemy mid is really scary but the jungler is not. Armor + AP per level if the enemy mid/jungler are AD. Health per level + MR per level vs mids who only become scary after level 6. Health per level + AP per level in a lane where you think you're totally safe and want a strong late game. Mana regen + AP per level vs a lane where you have to be pushing constantly. (mid Cho) etc etc. Really it depends on how many rune pages you have and how much you want to specialize a specific lane. I mostly play mid in ranked and have 20 rune pages, so I have 10 AP mid pages, 4 AD mid pages that I also use for ADC, 2 support pages, 2 top lane pages, and 2 jungle pages. There are advantages to having Armor+MR and advantages to just armor or just MR. As a mid laner you also want to be looking at the enemy jungler when you decide on your rune page. Top lane is not as important to look at, because you're likely not going to be interacting with him before you have some items. Lets say you have 3 pages, one with Armor+MR, one with just Armor, and one with just MR. Is it an AD mid with an AD jungler? Only need armor. Is it an AP mid with an AP jungler? Only need MR. Is it an AP mid and a jungler whose ganks aren't particularly scary (Warwick, Lux vs Udyr, etc) Only need MR. Is it an AP mid with lots of kill potential and an AD jungler who also has kill potential? You need both (Annie and Xin Zhao, Ryze and Shaco, Syndra and Lee Sin, Talon and Zac, etc) Is it a mid who can do a lot of mixed damage early on? You need both (Kayle, possibly Annie or Kennen or Jayce. Mixed damage champs are much more a Top lane thing, though) Ultimately it depends on how many rune pages you have and how much you want to specialize, but to answer your question yes, an Armor+MR rune page can be very helpful. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
And it's costing me the game. -_- Along with support Maokai rushing AP and Wing GP after he loses half his HP to a crit Parrley. RNGP with the 13 crits out of 15 Parrrleys despite the 45% crit chance, that was... pretty boring. And I should probably take that to the QQ thread, but eating 2 premades (3+2) in the face as a quintuplet of solos when playing normals is not fun if they coordinate in the slightest. >_> It's sunday, how can the matchmaking not find better match than this? | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On August 18 2013 23:20 Alaric wrote: EUW crapping itself atm, huge random lag spikes. And it's costing me the game. -_- Along with support Maokai rushing AP and Wing GP after he loses half his HP to a crit Parrley. RNGP with the 13 crits out of 15 Parrrleys despite the 45% crit chance, that was... pretty boring. And I should probably take that to the QQ thread, but eating 2 premades (3+2) in the face as a quintuplet of solos when playing normals is not fun if they coordinate in the slightest. >_> It's sunday, how can the matchmaking not find better match than this? i often have some kind of server lag where my actions are delayed by half a second without my latency bar spiking. Goes away after half a second and randomly comes back every few mins. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
It only hit 2 other people in my games so I guess it's not too big this time (compared to last time I played where 2 was the number of people unaffected by it). | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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smOOthMayDie
United States997 Posts
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