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On August 13 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
@Whoever was talking about Shyv lvl 2 all in:
EQ = 358 + 8% max opponent hp
WQ = 453
Both assume 4 autos. However, you have to consider that WQ assumes they stood in your burnout for the full duration of 7 seconds.
I want Shyv to see more play.
Yeah if you all in at level 2 and stand next to them for 7 seconds and only get 4 attacks WQ does more damage, but considering you can flame breath -> auto Q auto and back off means you'll win pretty much every single trade that way. EQ is just better overall for all purposes. not to mention maxing flame breath is a better play than maxing W at least for laning.
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On August 13 2013 18:50 chinstrap wrote:
Since I basically always play Darius I just ban kayle + kennen then ask my team what they want last, I would default to zac or elise last. Then I just faceroll top since they can't do shit about it and splitpush all day.
I honestly think the game is in a pretty decent spot in solo que in that there are no complete MUST bans.
Until you get a Lissandra top someday 
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On August 13 2013 20:57 RavenLoud wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 18:50 chinstrap wrote:
Since I basically always play Darius I just ban kayle + kennen then ask my team what they want last, I would default to zac or elise last. Then I just faceroll top since they can't do shit about it and splitpush all day.
I honestly think the game is in a pretty decent spot in solo que in that there are no complete MUST bans. Until you get a Lissandra top someday
Obviously Darius has counters just like the rest of the toplaners, and the rest is all about their junglers.
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On August 13 2013 20:57 RavenLoud wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 18:50 chinstrap wrote:
Since I basically always play Darius I just ban kayle + kennen then ask my team what they want last, I would default to zac or elise last. Then I just faceroll top since they can't do shit about it and splitpush all day.
I honestly think the game is in a pretty decent spot in solo que in that there are no complete MUST bans. Until you get a Lissandra top someday
What is the range on Liss q compared to hook / Darius Q?
It's a lane I've never played tbh, I dont think it would be as bad as you think though.
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Is Nunu support still good? Is he just not picked as support because he's such an asshole in the jungle?
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i used to play darius a lot, the hardest couter to him i ever met is sunfire rushing elise, others like jayce, teemo etc are easily beatable (not sure about kennen he wasnt that popular back when i spammed games with him)
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On August 13 2013 21:08 Don_Julio wrote:
Is Nunu support still good? Is he just not picked as support because he's such an asshole in the jungle?
He's not picked as a support because he doesn't do enough as a support anymore. Ice blast's slow went from 4 seconds to 3 and all aspects of bloodboil were nerfed (duration/as buff/ms buff). I've tried it a few times in season 3 and it feels really underwhelming compared to season 2.
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On August 13 2013 20:50 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
@Whoever was talking about Shyv lvl 2 all in:
EQ = 358 + 8% max opponent hp
WQ = 453
Both assume 4 autos. However, you have to consider that WQ assumes they stood in your burnout for the full duration of 7 seconds.
I want Shyv to see more play. Yeah if you all in at level 2 and stand next to them for 7 seconds and only get 4 attacks WQ does more damage, but considering you can flame breath -> auto Q auto and back off means you'll win pretty much every single trade that way. EQ is just better overall for all purposes. not to mention maxing flame breath is a better play than maxing W at least for laning.
I have to agree, especially since E goes through enemies. W isn't your only way to push the lane, your range harass and farming is better too. I hope someone busts her out this week in LCS. Or Worlds.
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Darius shits on melee and gets shit on by 90% of ranged. That's pretty much it.
An in-depth guide would be : you can faceroll those matchups, take defensive runes for the others and get a penta in teamfights.
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On August 13 2013 21:23 mr_tolkien wrote:
Darius shits on melee and gets shit on by 90% of ranged. That's pretty much it.
An in-depth guide would be : you can faceroll those matchups, take defensive runes for the others and get a penta in teamfights.
In a nutshell that is bang on 
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On August 13 2013 21:21 JonGalt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 20:50 PrinceXizor wrote:On August 13 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
@Whoever was talking about Shyv lvl 2 all in:
EQ = 358 + 8% max opponent hp
WQ = 453
Both assume 4 autos. However, you have to consider that WQ assumes they stood in your burnout for the full duration of 7 seconds.
I want Shyv to see more play. Yeah if you all in at level 2 and stand next to them for 7 seconds and only get 4 attacks WQ does more damage, but considering you can flame breath -> auto Q auto and back off means you'll win pretty much every single trade that way. EQ is just better overall for all purposes. not to mention maxing flame breath is a better play than maxing W at least for laning. I have to agree, especially since E goes through enemies. W isn't your only way to push the lane, your range harass and farming is better too. I hope someone busts her out this week in LCS. Or Worlds.
it was actually still best even when E didn't pierce enemies. the flat damage boost on autos was absolutely disgusting in trades. an extra 14-44 magic damage per auto made you pretty much unstoppable in any short exchange. the same E auto Q auto did much more damage (like at level 5, where you could deal 400 magic damage and 300 physical damage in 2 seconds.) but i guess now its better at killing tanks? i dunno the % health thing made shyvana worse to me, except at clearing camps, but i never played her in the jungle anyways.
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On August 13 2013 21:40 chinstrap wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 21:23 mr_tolkien wrote:
Darius shits on melee and gets shit on by 90% of ranged. That's pretty much it.
An in-depth guide would be : you can faceroll those matchups, take defensive runes for the others and get a penta in teamfights. In a nutshell that is bang on
I disagree, Darius pre6 is a pussycat :p
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On August 13 2013 21:50 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 21:40 chinstrap wrote:On August 13 2013 21:23 mr_tolkien wrote:
Darius shits on melee and gets shit on by 90% of ranged. That's pretty much it.
An in-depth guide would be : you can faceroll those matchups, take defensive runes for the others and get a penta in teamfights. In a nutshell that is bang on I disagree, Darius pre6 is a pussycat :p
Wait wat.
Darius is the best lvl1, lvl2, lvl3, lvl4, lvl5, lvl6, lvl7, lvl8, lvl9, lvl10 and so on and so forth of all fucking melee characters.
He's a melee with no gap-closer and no escape ofc he's bound to have stg else.
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On August 13 2013 22:04 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 21:50 Osmoses wrote:On August 13 2013 21:40 chinstrap wrote:On August 13 2013 21:23 mr_tolkien wrote:
Darius shits on melee and gets shit on by 90% of ranged. That's pretty much it.
An in-depth guide would be : you can faceroll those matchups, take defensive runes for the others and get a penta in teamfights. In a nutshell that is bang on I disagree, Darius pre6 is a pussycat :p Wait wat. Darius is the best lvl1, lvl2, lvl3, lvl4, lvl5, lvl6, lvl7, lvl8, lvl9, lvl10 and so on and so forth of all fucking melee characters. He's a melee with no gap-closer and no escape ofc he's bound to have stg else.
Well he has somewhat of a gapcloser. I would consider his pull something that closes a gap
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On August 13 2013 22:07 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 22:04 mr_tolkien wrote:On August 13 2013 21:50 Osmoses wrote:On August 13 2013 21:40 chinstrap wrote:On August 13 2013 21:23 mr_tolkien wrote:
Darius shits on melee and gets shit on by 90% of ranged. That's pretty much it.
An in-depth guide would be : you can faceroll those matchups, take defensive runes for the others and get a penta in teamfights. In a nutshell that is bang on I disagree, Darius pre6 is a pussycat :p Wait wat. Darius is the best lvl1, lvl2, lvl3, lvl4, lvl5, lvl6, lvl7, lvl8, lvl9, lvl10 and so on and so forth of all fucking melee characters. He's a melee with no gap-closer and no escape ofc he's bound to have stg else. Well he has somewhat of a gapcloser. I would consider his pull something that closes a gap
Still, it has a crazy long CD, is a skillshot, and has a very short range. He won't catch a ranged hero with that.
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On August 13 2013 21:05 chinstrap wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 20:57 RavenLoud wrote:On August 13 2013 18:50 chinstrap wrote:
Since I basically always play Darius I just ban kayle + kennen then ask my team what they want last, I would default to zac or elise last. Then I just faceroll top since they can't do shit about it and splitpush all day.
I honestly think the game is in a pretty decent spot in solo que in that there are no complete MUST bans. Until you get a Lissandra top someday What is the range on Liss q compared to hook / Darius Q? It's a lane I've never played tbh, I dont think it would be as bad as you think though.
Liss Q range isn't the biggest issue, it's more because she can disengage so well with W>E if you pull her. You basically can't touch her or escape from her while taking ranged harass if you want minions.
EDIT: And her Q range is 725 compared to Darius' pull at 540. Her cc and escapes are spot on counters to Darius' weaknesses in mobility.
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On August 13 2013 19:55 chinstrap wrote:
Btw would people be interested in a Darius guide from a rising gold player? Or should I wait till I'm pushing Diamond for more pertinent input?
I was trash at this game for a long time but I feel like I've figure out a lot of stuff and turned a corner, partly from reading the TL GD thread at work so often! So I've been playing none stop Darius top and am on an insane streak, steadily burning through gold (in gold 2 promo atm) with something like 15 consecutive Darius wins.
I'm thinking about putting a solid guide together going in depth on matchups and jungler interactions in lane. Also covering the decision making behind when to splitpush / team fight, as well as the basics of itemisation / rune pages etc. It would probably be a work in progress with the matchups when i find time though.
Also I don’t really know anything about formatting thread on here... We all know it wont get read if it isn't shiny and cool looking!
An active gold player who maintains the OP of a champion thread beats a lazy Diamond player who doesn't any day.
Just be willing to take criticism/advice/information from other people, especially the higher tiered players and it'll be great.
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On August 13 2013 22:08 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 22:07 MattBarry wrote:On August 13 2013 22:04 mr_tolkien wrote:On August 13 2013 21:50 Osmoses wrote:On August 13 2013 21:40 chinstrap wrote:On August 13 2013 21:23 mr_tolkien wrote:
Darius shits on melee and gets shit on by 90% of ranged. That's pretty much it.
An in-depth guide would be : you can faceroll those matchups, take defensive runes for the others and get a penta in teamfights. In a nutshell that is bang on I disagree, Darius pre6 is a pussycat :p Wait wat. Darius is the best lvl1, lvl2, lvl3, lvl4, lvl5, lvl6, lvl7, lvl8, lvl9, lvl10 and so on and so forth of all fucking melee characters. He's a melee with no gap-closer and no escape ofc he's bound to have stg else. Well he has somewhat of a gapcloser. I would consider his pull something that closes a gap Still, it has a crazy long CD, is a skillshot, and has a very short range. He won't catch a ranged hero with that.
It depends on the hero. The biggest thing that defines the difficulty of Darius lane match ups is range interaction. Against almost any other melee champ you can zone then off creeps by just walking at them. If they ever use their gap closer offensively you can win the trade and sweet spot Q then hook them back if they try to walk away then W + more autos + ignite gg. The hard match ups are the ones where they can get reliable free harass outside of Q/hook range but these tend to be niche champs or ones you very rarely see top lane. Ryze range nerfed basically fixed that match up.
I only started being successful with him when I learnt how to use his hook correctly.
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On August 13 2013 22:11 RavenLoud wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 21:05 chinstrap wrote:On August 13 2013 20:57 RavenLoud wrote:On August 13 2013 18:50 chinstrap wrote:
Since I basically always play Darius I just ban kayle + kennen then ask my team what they want last, I would default to zac or elise last. Then I just faceroll top since they can't do shit about it and splitpush all day.
I honestly think the game is in a pretty decent spot in solo que in that there are no complete MUST bans. Until you get a Lissandra top someday What is the range on Liss q compared to hook / Darius Q? It's a lane I've never played tbh, I dont think it would be as bad as you think though. Liss Q range isn't the biggest issue, it's more because she can disengage so well with W>E if you pull her. You basically can't touch her or escape from her while taking ranged harass if you want minions. EDIT: And her Q range is 725 compared to Darius' pull at 540. Her cc and escapes are spot on counters to Darius' weaknesses in mobility.
Yea that sounds pretty rough 
That is the extended Q after hitting a creep though so she is pushing the wave right? She still can't use E agressivly cause then she cant escape at all from hook even with her root. I think you could farm in this lane somewhat evenly without giving up a kill.
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On August 13 2013 22:04 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 21:50 Osmoses wrote:On August 13 2013 21:40 chinstrap wrote:On August 13 2013 21:23 mr_tolkien wrote:
Darius shits on melee and gets shit on by 90% of ranged. That's pretty much it.
An in-depth guide would be : you can faceroll those matchups, take defensive runes for the others and get a penta in teamfights. In a nutshell that is bang on I disagree, Darius pre6 is a pussycat :p Wait wat. Darius is the best lvl1, lvl2, lvl3, lvl4, lvl5, lvl6, lvl7, lvl8, lvl9, lvl10 and so on and so forth of all fucking melee characters.
Is not , lots of previously mentioned toplaners outtrade him early.
As for kennen... Preeetty sure darius pull is the exact same range as kennen auto.
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