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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
August 13 2013 11:50 GMT
#4681
On August 13 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
@Whoever was talking about Shyv lvl 2 all in:

EQ = 358 + 8% max opponent hp
WQ = 453

Both assume 4 autos. However, you have to consider that WQ assumes they stood in your burnout for the full duration of 7 seconds.

I want Shyv to see more play.

Yeah if you all in at level 2 and stand next to them for 7 seconds and only get 4 attacks WQ does more damage, but considering you can flame breath -> auto Q auto and back off means you'll win pretty much every single trade that way. EQ is just better overall for all purposes. not to mention maxing flame breath is a better play than maxing W at least for laning.
RavenLoud
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1100 Posts
August 13 2013 11:57 GMT
#4682
On August 13 2013 18:50 chinstrap wrote:
Since I basically always play Darius I just ban kayle + kennen then ask my team what they want last, I would default to zac or elise last. Then I just faceroll top since they can't do shit about it and splitpush all day.

I honestly think the game is in a pretty decent spot in solo que in that there are no complete MUST bans.

Until you get a Lissandra top someday

Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
August 13 2013 12:01 GMT
#4683
On August 13 2013 20:57 RavenLoud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 18:50 chinstrap wrote:
Since I basically always play Darius I just ban kayle + kennen then ask my team what they want last, I would default to zac or elise last. Then I just faceroll top since they can't do shit about it and splitpush all day.

I honestly think the game is in a pretty decent spot in solo que in that there are no complete MUST bans.

Until you get a Lissandra top someday


Obviously Darius has counters just like the rest of the toplaners, and the rest is all about their junglers.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
chinstrap
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom253 Posts
August 13 2013 12:05 GMT
#4684
On August 13 2013 20:57 RavenLoud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 18:50 chinstrap wrote:
Since I basically always play Darius I just ban kayle + kennen then ask my team what they want last, I would default to zac or elise last. Then I just faceroll top since they can't do shit about it and splitpush all day.

I honestly think the game is in a pretty decent spot in solo que in that there are no complete MUST bans.

Until you get a Lissandra top someday



What is the range on Liss q compared to hook / Darius Q?

It's a lane I've never played tbh, I dont think it would be as bad as you think though.
Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
August 13 2013 12:08 GMT
#4685
Is Nunu support still good? Is he just not picked as support because he's such an asshole in the jungle?
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 12:10:48
August 13 2013 12:09 GMT
#4686
i used to play darius a lot, the hardest couter to him i ever met is sunfire rushing elise, others like jayce, teemo etc are easily beatable (not sure about kennen he wasnt that popular back when i spammed games with him)
NpG)Explosive
Profile Joined January 2003
France994 Posts
August 13 2013 12:16 GMT
#4687
On August 13 2013 21:08 Don_Julio wrote:
Is Nunu support still good? Is he just not picked as support because he's such an asshole in the jungle?


He's not picked as a support because he doesn't do enough as a support anymore. Ice blast's slow went from 4 seconds to 3 and all aspects of bloodboil were nerfed (duration/as buff/ms buff). I've tried it a few times in season 3 and it feels really underwhelming compared to season 2.
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
August 13 2013 12:21 GMT
#4688
On August 13 2013 20:50 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
@Whoever was talking about Shyv lvl 2 all in:

EQ = 358 + 8% max opponent hp
WQ = 453

Both assume 4 autos. However, you have to consider that WQ assumes they stood in your burnout for the full duration of 7 seconds.

I want Shyv to see more play.

Yeah if you all in at level 2 and stand next to them for 7 seconds and only get 4 attacks WQ does more damage, but considering you can flame breath -> auto Q auto and back off means you'll win pretty much every single trade that way. EQ is just better overall for all purposes. not to mention maxing flame breath is a better play than maxing W at least for laning.


I have to agree, especially since E goes through enemies. W isn't your only way to push the lane, your range harass and farming is better too. I hope someone busts her out this week in LCS. Or Worlds.
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 12:33:49
August 13 2013 12:23 GMT
#4689
Darius shits on melee and gets shit on by 90% of ranged. That's pretty much it.

An in-depth guide would be : you can faceroll those matchups, take defensive runes for the others and get a penta in teamfights.
The legend of Darien lives on
chinstrap
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom253 Posts
August 13 2013 12:40 GMT
#4690
On August 13 2013 21:23 mr_tolkien wrote:
Darius shits on melee and gets shit on by 90% of ranged. That's pretty much it.

An in-depth guide would be : you can faceroll those matchups, take defensive runes for the others and get a penta in teamfights.


In a nutshell that is bang on
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
August 13 2013 12:50 GMT
#4691
On August 13 2013 21:21 JonGalt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 20:50 PrinceXizor wrote:
On August 13 2013 20:33 JonGalt wrote:
@Whoever was talking about Shyv lvl 2 all in:

EQ = 358 + 8% max opponent hp
WQ = 453

Both assume 4 autos. However, you have to consider that WQ assumes they stood in your burnout for the full duration of 7 seconds.

I want Shyv to see more play.

Yeah if you all in at level 2 and stand next to them for 7 seconds and only get 4 attacks WQ does more damage, but considering you can flame breath -> auto Q auto and back off means you'll win pretty much every single trade that way. EQ is just better overall for all purposes. not to mention maxing flame breath is a better play than maxing W at least for laning.


I have to agree, especially since E goes through enemies. W isn't your only way to push the lane, your range harass and farming is better too. I hope someone busts her out this week in LCS. Or Worlds.

it was actually still best even when E didn't pierce enemies. the flat damage boost on autos was absolutely disgusting in trades. an extra 14-44 magic damage per auto made you pretty much unstoppable in any short exchange. the same E auto Q auto did much more damage (like at level 5, where you could deal 400 magic damage and 300 physical damage in 2 seconds.) but i guess now its better at killing tanks? i dunno the % health thing made shyvana worse to me, except at clearing camps, but i never played her in the jungle anyways.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 12:50:49
August 13 2013 12:50 GMT
#4692
On August 13 2013 21:40 chinstrap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 21:23 mr_tolkien wrote:
Darius shits on melee and gets shit on by 90% of ranged. That's pretty much it.

An in-depth guide would be : you can faceroll those matchups, take defensive runes for the others and get a penta in teamfights.


In a nutshell that is bang on

I disagree, Darius pre6 is a pussycat :p
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
August 13 2013 13:04 GMT
#4693
On August 13 2013 21:50 Osmoses wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 21:40 chinstrap wrote:
On August 13 2013 21:23 mr_tolkien wrote:
Darius shits on melee and gets shit on by 90% of ranged. That's pretty much it.

An in-depth guide would be : you can faceroll those matchups, take defensive runes for the others and get a penta in teamfights.


In a nutshell that is bang on

I disagree, Darius pre6 is a pussycat :p

Wait wat.
Darius is the best lvl1, lvl2, lvl3, lvl4, lvl5, lvl6, lvl7, lvl8, lvl9, lvl10 and so on and so forth of all fucking melee characters.

He's a melee with no gap-closer and no escape ofc he's bound to have stg else.
The legend of Darien lives on
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
August 13 2013 13:07 GMT
#4694
On August 13 2013 22:04 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 21:50 Osmoses wrote:
On August 13 2013 21:40 chinstrap wrote:
On August 13 2013 21:23 mr_tolkien wrote:
Darius shits on melee and gets shit on by 90% of ranged. That's pretty much it.

An in-depth guide would be : you can faceroll those matchups, take defensive runes for the others and get a penta in teamfights.


In a nutshell that is bang on

I disagree, Darius pre6 is a pussycat :p

Wait wat.
Darius is the best lvl1, lvl2, lvl3, lvl4, lvl5, lvl6, lvl7, lvl8, lvl9, lvl10 and so on and so forth of all fucking melee characters.

He's a melee with no gap-closer and no escape ofc he's bound to have stg else.

Well he has somewhat of a gapcloser. I would consider his pull something that closes a gap
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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
August 13 2013 13:08 GMT
#4695
On August 13 2013 22:07 MattBarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 22:04 mr_tolkien wrote:
On August 13 2013 21:50 Osmoses wrote:
On August 13 2013 21:40 chinstrap wrote:
On August 13 2013 21:23 mr_tolkien wrote:
Darius shits on melee and gets shit on by 90% of ranged. That's pretty much it.

An in-depth guide would be : you can faceroll those matchups, take defensive runes for the others and get a penta in teamfights.


In a nutshell that is bang on

I disagree, Darius pre6 is a pussycat :p

Wait wat.
Darius is the best lvl1, lvl2, lvl3, lvl4, lvl5, lvl6, lvl7, lvl8, lvl9, lvl10 and so on and so forth of all fucking melee characters.

He's a melee with no gap-closer and no escape ofc he's bound to have stg else.

Well he has somewhat of a gapcloser. I would consider his pull something that closes a gap

Still, it has a crazy long CD, is a skillshot, and has a very short range. He won't catch a ranged hero with that.
The legend of Darien lives on
RavenLoud
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1100 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 13:16:11
August 13 2013 13:11 GMT
#4696
On August 13 2013 21:05 chinstrap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 20:57 RavenLoud wrote:
On August 13 2013 18:50 chinstrap wrote:
Since I basically always play Darius I just ban kayle + kennen then ask my team what they want last, I would default to zac or elise last. Then I just faceroll top since they can't do shit about it and splitpush all day.

I honestly think the game is in a pretty decent spot in solo que in that there are no complete MUST bans.

Until you get a Lissandra top someday



What is the range on Liss q compared to hook / Darius Q?

It's a lane I've never played tbh, I dont think it would be as bad as you think though.

Liss Q range isn't the biggest issue, it's more because she can disengage so well with W>E if you pull her. You basically can't touch her or escape from her while taking ranged harass if you want minions.

EDIT: And her Q range is 725 compared to Darius' pull at 540. Her cc and escapes are spot on counters to Darius' weaknesses in mobility.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 13:15:33
August 13 2013 13:15 GMT
#4697
On August 13 2013 19:55 chinstrap wrote:
Btw would people be interested in a Darius guide from a rising gold player? Or should I wait till I'm pushing Diamond for more pertinent input?

I was trash at this game for a long time but I feel like I've figure out a lot of stuff and turned a corner, partly from reading the TL GD thread at work so often! So I've been playing none stop Darius top and am on an insane streak, steadily burning through gold (in gold 2 promo atm) with something like 15 consecutive Darius wins.

I'm thinking about putting a solid guide together going in depth on matchups and jungler interactions in lane. Also covering the decision making behind when to splitpush / team fight, as well as the basics of itemisation / rune pages etc. It would probably be a work in progress with the matchups when i find time though.

Also I don’t really know anything about formatting thread on here... We all know it wont get read if it isn't shiny and cool looking!

An active gold player who maintains the OP of a champion thread beats a lazy Diamond player who doesn't any day.

Just be willing to take criticism/advice/information from other people, especially the higher tiered players and it'll be great.
chinstrap
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom253 Posts
August 13 2013 13:21 GMT
#4698
On August 13 2013 22:08 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 22:07 MattBarry wrote:
On August 13 2013 22:04 mr_tolkien wrote:
On August 13 2013 21:50 Osmoses wrote:
On August 13 2013 21:40 chinstrap wrote:
On August 13 2013 21:23 mr_tolkien wrote:
Darius shits on melee and gets shit on by 90% of ranged. That's pretty much it.

An in-depth guide would be : you can faceroll those matchups, take defensive runes for the others and get a penta in teamfights.


In a nutshell that is bang on

I disagree, Darius pre6 is a pussycat :p

Wait wat.
Darius is the best lvl1, lvl2, lvl3, lvl4, lvl5, lvl6, lvl7, lvl8, lvl9, lvl10 and so on and so forth of all fucking melee characters.

He's a melee with no gap-closer and no escape ofc he's bound to have stg else.

Well he has somewhat of a gapcloser. I would consider his pull something that closes a gap

Still, it has a crazy long CD, is a skillshot, and has a very short range. He won't catch a ranged hero with that.


It depends on the hero. The biggest thing that defines the difficulty of Darius lane match ups is range interaction. Against almost any other melee champ you can zone then off creeps by just walking at them. If they ever use their gap closer offensively you can win the trade and sweet spot Q then hook them back if they try to walk away then W + more autos + ignite gg. The hard match ups are the ones where they can get reliable free harass outside of Q/hook range but these tend to be niche champs or ones you very rarely see top lane. Ryze range nerfed basically fixed that match up.

I only started being successful with him when I learnt how to use his hook correctly.
chinstrap
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom253 Posts
August 13 2013 13:24 GMT
#4699
On August 13 2013 22:11 RavenLoud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 21:05 chinstrap wrote:
On August 13 2013 20:57 RavenLoud wrote:
On August 13 2013 18:50 chinstrap wrote:
Since I basically always play Darius I just ban kayle + kennen then ask my team what they want last, I would default to zac or elise last. Then I just faceroll top since they can't do shit about it and splitpush all day.

I honestly think the game is in a pretty decent spot in solo que in that there are no complete MUST bans.

Until you get a Lissandra top someday



What is the range on Liss q compared to hook / Darius Q?

It's a lane I've never played tbh, I dont think it would be as bad as you think though.

Liss Q range isn't the biggest issue, it's more because she can disengage so well with W>E if you pull her. You basically can't touch her or escape from her while taking ranged harass if you want minions.

EDIT: And her Q range is 725 compared to Darius' pull at 540. Her cc and escapes are spot on counters to Darius' weaknesses in mobility.


Yea that sounds pretty rough

That is the extended Q after hitting a creep though so she is pushing the wave right? She still can't use E agressivly cause then she cant escape at all from hook even with her root. I think you could farm in this lane somewhat evenly without giving up a kill.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
August 13 2013 13:48 GMT
#4700
On August 13 2013 22:04 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 21:50 Osmoses wrote:
On August 13 2013 21:40 chinstrap wrote:
On August 13 2013 21:23 mr_tolkien wrote:
Darius shits on melee and gets shit on by 90% of ranged. That's pretty much it.

An in-depth guide would be : you can faceroll those matchups, take defensive runes for the others and get a penta in teamfights.


In a nutshell that is bang on

I disagree, Darius pre6 is a pussycat :p

Wait wat.
Darius is the best lvl1, lvl2, lvl3, lvl4, lvl5, lvl6, lvl7, lvl8, lvl9, lvl10 and so on and so forth of all fucking melee characters.

Is not , lots of previously mentioned toplaners outtrade him early.

As for kennen... Preeetty sure darius pull is the exact same range as kennen auto.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
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