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No more bad posting
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
August 11 2013 23:36 GMT
#4361
Arguing about V-desks may be the worst thing I've witnessed in this thread.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14187 Posts
August 11 2013 23:37 GMT
#4362
On August 12 2013 08:27 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 08:14 Amethyst21 wrote:
On August 12 2013 08:08 caelym wrote:
real talk: Kaci is better than the whole analyst desk put together. I hope Riot hires a professional news journalist for Worlds.


This, please. A trained *professional* reporter stands out so much even above the good e-sports interviewers/hosts (like Djwheat etc).

She's good, but not always will you have a good professional... Adam Sessler at EVO?


I love the spectator interface on DotA. They're always making adjustments to it, the big item pickup pop-in has really helped. The fact that you can spectate tournament games with commentary is awesome. 720p streams look terrible in comparison to stuff actually being rendered on your computer.

Looking through the graphs and charts takes a while but you get used to it. You can even hotkey it.

Compare to this LoL which still doesn't have replay.

Holy fuck man Adam sessler at evo was the biggest caster fail ever done. gotta give props for that reference. The .Rofl files should be coming I guess hope to god at least by s4. I agree with it being rendered on your comp is something that riot needs to steal from valve.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
August 11 2013 23:37 GMT
#4363
Had CLG not given up their Dota 2 team... Hotshot is a genius and a fool.
Best Teemo World
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14187 Posts
August 11 2013 23:38 GMT
#4364
On August 12 2013 08:37 qanik wrote:
Had CLG not given up their Dota 2 team... Hotshot is a genius and a fool.

I was wondering if alliance was post clg clg.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 11 2013 23:41 GMT
#4365
On August 12 2013 08:36 kainzero wrote:
Arguing about V-desks may be the worst thing I've witnessed in this thread.

It's the small things that matter.
liftlift > tsm
Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 00:03:09
August 12 2013 00:01 GMT
#4366
dumb wrong thread again. No need to talk here while TI is on. For e-sports.
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
August 12 2013 00:07 GMT
#4367
sooo max Q or E on jungle Vi? I see a guide by xj9 says W but that seems pretty stupid so I'm not going to do that.

Anybody have experience maxing Vi Q in jungle? I'm almost sold because having a sub-7 second CD Q early sounds awesome, but I am worried about mana issues! Does 1Q1E kill small creeps in the jungle?
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
August 12 2013 00:11 GMT
#4368
Start with W, and max W. The only way. When you increase W dmg you also increases Q damage, too good to pass up. CDR is overrated, get a brut or lizard and you'r set.
Best Teemo World
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 00:22:48
August 12 2013 00:15 GMT
#4369
We have a Vi thread, you may have to do a search of set the display to more than 15 days in the Strategy sub-forum.
Basically Q first lowers the cooldown on your mobility spell significantly and increases your burst damage, while not hindering your farming much (a charged Q and a E per camp is roughly equal to a charged Q + 2 Es when maxing E, so you aren't mana inefficient).

Charged Q, auto-E kills smalls wraiths and wrecks the big one (sometimes you only kill 2 little wraiths, depends on the angle), Wolves die a bit slower and it's not necessarily worth it to use both Es on them since the mana adds up quite fast for Vi when power farming. Golems are the most annoying because they're harder to line-up with Q (esp. if you go over the wall).
All in all she farms pretty fast as long as you don't level Q till level 3.

^ uh? How does leveling W affect Q? The only way would be for the armour reduction to beat Q's base damage scaling, but it's a flat 20% you get from level 1 onward.
Plus, a charged Q gives you 60 damage per level, W gives you 1.5% of your target's max HP (I'll ignore the additional AD for the sake of the early game values), so you'd need to hit a target with 4000 HP to make up for hit (divided by the number of times you trigger W off them, of course).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
August 12 2013 00:29 GMT
#4370
^ Q applies W and a Q + AA + E + E would probably do more damage with W leveled up. Max Q is legit though, but I just prefer W because of Q applies W and not having mana problems.
Best Teemo World
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 01:00:02
August 12 2013 00:59 GMT
#4371
To put it simply, using Vi's stats (she's roughly in the top quarter of champs for Health and Armour (until the later levels for armour, where her poor /level scaling makes her drop a bit)), at level 9 you're looking at 1205 HP, that we can get up to ~1500 through masteries and items.
Combo is charged Q -> aa -> E reset -> aa -> E reset
Maxed Q (W maxed 2nd) will do:
- 340 + 5 + 5 + 4.3 base AD + 5.7 bonus AD + 5.5% of target's health (+1% per 35 AD)[/red]

Maxed W (Q maxed 2nd I assume) will do:
- 160 + 5 + 5 + 4.3 base AD + 5.7 bonus AD + 10% of target's health (+1% per 35 AD)[/red]

Basically, breakpoint is 180 = 4.5% of target's health
4.5% of 1500 HP is 67.5, so even if you had another auto for a 2nd W proc that'd only be 135 damage, 45 short of maxed Q.

It gets better as your opponents build HP, of course, but since we're talking about what we should max first, values at early levels have more weight.

(It's obviously better if you plan on rushing dragon, but this isn't a situation supposed to occurr often.)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
August 12 2013 01:21 GMT
#4372
On August 12 2013 08:20 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 08:07 AsnSensation wrote:
Agree with that specator dota2 interface is pretty messy and it's hard to follow stuff but that's maybe just because I haven't played more than 10games of it. Another thing is no dedicated spectator.

Rest is pretty much top notch.

DotA2 has by far the worst spectator interface. It has EXTREMELY low amounts of information and you need to go through millions of tabs and charts to even read anything that the LoL or HoN spectator clients have visible all the time, on a glance. Want to know all hero items? Have fun spending a minute clicking through them all. Want to know all cs and gold amounts and gold per mins? Have fun going through multiple charts instead of just checking the numbers on like the bottom of the screen. I truly cannot believe how atrocious the DotA2 observer UI is.

Truly a shame as well as the directed camera and other camera features and such are quite nice, as are the options for broadcaster voice.

(offtopic I guess, meh)

I really really like all the graphs and charts you can access with the Dota 2 spectator client, but I personally prefer the LoL layout better since you can see instantly at a glance who has what items and which team is ahead gold-wise without having to go through tons of tabs/charts etc...
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
August 12 2013 02:01 GMT
#4373
i mean u click a single button for either one gold or exp
its not hard
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 02:17:33
August 12 2013 02:16 GMT
#4374
On August 12 2013 11:01 FinestHour wrote:
i mean u click a single button for either one gold or exp
its not hard

it's just annoying since I don't know the hotkeys for them and I like the convenience of being to see everything at the same time.

are any TLers planning on going to the world championships?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 12 2013 02:53 GMT
#4375
On August 12 2013 11:16 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:01 FinestHour wrote:
i mean u click a single button for either one gold or exp
its not hard

it's just annoying since I don't know the hotkeys for them and I like the convenience of being to see everything at the same time.

are any TLers planning on going to the world championships?

To be honest as much as it is possible for me to go, I much prefer staying in the comfort of my home and watch the games, and LRing.
liftlift > tsm
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14187 Posts
August 12 2013 02:56 GMT
#4376
On August 12 2013 11:53 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:16 Ryuu314 wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:01 FinestHour wrote:
i mean u click a single button for either one gold or exp
its not hard

it's just annoying since I don't know the hotkeys for them and I like the convenience of being to see everything at the same time.

are any TLers planning on going to the world championships?

To be honest as much as it is possible for me to go, I much prefer staying in the comfort of my home and watch the games, and LRing.

I once went to a football game in real life. I enjoy watching the game from my own home much more.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
August 12 2013 02:57 GMT
#4377
On August 12 2013 11:56 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:53 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:16 Ryuu314 wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:01 FinestHour wrote:
i mean u click a single button for either one gold or exp
its not hard

it's just annoying since I don't know the hotkeys for them and I like the convenience of being to see everything at the same time.

are any TLers planning on going to the world championships?

To be honest as much as it is possible for me to go, I much prefer staying in the comfort of my home and watch the games, and LRing.

I once went to a football game in real life. I enjoy watching the game from my own home much more.

If I can get a ticket, I think I'll go.
NatusPrinceps
Profile Joined August 2013
192 Posts
August 12 2013 03:04 GMT
#4378
Watching games in my crappy Laptop just has that special feel
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
August 12 2013 03:06 GMT
#4379
Watching football games live is notoriously bad. I think it's worse for sports with a lot of downtime. I wish the Season 3 finals was a one or two weekend thing. I can't really justify buying a plane ticket for one BO5.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 03:14:24
August 12 2013 03:13 GMT
#4380
On August 12 2013 12:06 onlywonderboy wrote:
Watching football games live is notoriously bad. I think it's worse for sports with a lot of downtime. I wish the Season 3 finals was a one or two weekend thing. I can't really justify buying a plane ticket for one BO5.

if you take a week off work, you can catch all the groups or the quarters and semis together, but yea it is expensive
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