On July 29 2013 03:36 anemoneya wrote:
elo boosting exists everywhere, but ripping off progamers who are minors for monetary purpose should be punishable.

What about progamers ripping off lower-league players? I know of at least 2 players who steals money from people under the guise of offering boosting/coaching & once they get their money they never deliver.

remedium

United States939 Posts

July 28 2013 20:40 GMT

#22

Unfortunately, things like this will probably happen more often as LoL continues to grow in popularity. As I said in the MRN discussion, Riot needs to implement an accreditation system for team management like, yesterday. An independent division of Riot tasked with handling pro and amateur player issues and concerns (aka a whistleblower dropbox or some such thing) would be a good start.

Valius

United Kingdom4 Posts

July 28 2013 20:47 GMT

#23

On July 29 2013 02:00 Frost wrote:

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Elo boosting in Korea existed since the server was released, but ever since the League system was introduced it has become a really serious issue because of the no demotion back down to a previous tier thing. I know for certain that some non-Kespa pros participate in elo boosting. Riot Korea has the tool to make it stop, it is just not doing it.

Now this has been bring to light In a big way hopefully they pull their finger out

ketchup

14521 Posts

July 28 2013 22:02 GMT

#24

This is some heavy stuff. Very sad that these younger players are getting exploited for trying to achieve their dreams. Very surprising that something like this would occur. Hopefully these younger players can actually bounce back, but it seems it will probably be very difficult for them.

glzElectromaster

Japan2474 Posts

July 28 2013 22:53 GMT

#25

Edit: nvm

nojitosunrise

United States6188 Posts

July 28 2013 23:46 GMT

#26

This shouldn't surprise anyone. Elo boosting services bring in a ton of money in Korea/China. Riot needs to step up and start immediately banning more accounts tied to elo boosting. Riot Korea needs to step up and shut down the "official" elo boosting websites. It's easy to blame monster gaming for this, but the root of the problem is with Riot and its inaction.

suicideyear

Ivory Coast3016 Posts

July 28 2013 23:50 GMT

#27

that's why you should have a manager that you have some level of trust in but not enough to blindly follow them into whatever.
pretty sure the players in the interview didn't even know that guy before he contacted him about joining a teamhouse to play.
if you're reading this, and you're trying to get into the scene (as a player or a manager or something else) - be smart- don't end up playing for an M5 or an Azubu and getting caught in something you didn't know about (or knew but didn't care about).

ketchup

14521 Posts

July 29 2013 00:46 GMT

#28

On July 29 2013 08:46 nojitosunrise wrote:
This shouldn't surprise anyone. Elo boosting services bring in a ton of money in Korea/China. Riot needs to step up and start immediately banning more accounts tied to elo boosting. Riot Korea needs to step up and shut down the "official" elo boosting websites. It's easy to blame monster gaming for this, but the root of the problem is with Riot and its inaction.

The fact that it's a to-become-pro team that is forcing younger players is the surprising part. Of course, elo boosting has been around for a long while. You can't really stop it. It's impossible. The idea that they are exploiting people to achieve their boosting is the problem rather than the elo boosting itself.

nojitosunrise

United States6188 Posts

July 29 2013 01:14 GMT

#29

On July 29 2013 09:46 ketchup wrote:

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The fact that it's a to-become-pro team that is forcing younger players is the surprising part. Of course, elo boosting has been around for a long while. You can't really stop it. It's impossible. The idea that they are exploiting people to achieve their boosting is the problem rather than the elo boosting itself.

"teams" did the same thing for WoW. To solve this problem you have to go to the source...which is RIot. Everything else is a bandaid solution.

Fionn

United States23455 Posts

July 29 2013 01:15 GMT

#30

This is pretty bad, but I'd still rank it under the Match Fix Scandal and the GundamWerra/finale Scandal in Korean e-sport's drama. But I would put it ahead Woong's team cheating during a recent qualifier.

Fusilero

United Kingdom50293 Posts

July 29 2013 01:25 GMT

#31

On July 29 2013 10:15 Fionn wrote:
This is pretty bad, but I'd still rank it under the Match Fix Scandal and the GundamWerra/finale Scandal in Korean e-sport's drama. But I would put it ahead Woong's team cheating during a recent qualifier.

To quickly recap the thing for people who weren't around or don't watch SC2, the werra scandal was basically that at the release of SC2 there were only four proper pro teams (TSL/StarTale/IM/ogs), the rest of the players were split up amongst various clans those being NEX/Zenith/Prime/Fou/werra (Fou would go on to become FXO, prime became a proper team with links to the clan and nex and zenith merged their best players to become zenex). Werra however disbanded after it emerged that finale (Whom was previous loveripwerra) was invited by gundam to his house to watch GSL. That was when gundam reportedly tried to violate him which resulted in finale noping the fuck out of there and being by large a bit on the traumatised side. Needless to say it was such a big deal so cella announced that werra was to disband in light of this. Here's the thread on it
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=163268

On a brighter note though finale went on to join team MVP where he made GSL code S, been strong in team leagues and is in the RO16 for WCS Europe atm as duckdeok.

Swissm

United States207 Posts

July 29 2013 01:39 GMT

#32

Forgive my ignorance, but what is accomplished by paying to have your ELO boosted?

Lmui

Canada6223 Posts

July 29 2013 01:51 GMT

#33

On July 29 2013 10:39 Swissm wrote:
Forgive my ignorance, but what is accomplished by paying to have your ELO boosted?

Because you can't get demoted, you get to say OH I'm in league XXXX. despite playing with people many divisions lower.

GTR

51663 Posts

July 29 2013 04:33 GMT

#34

I had no intention of joining at first, but Head Coach Kim-Jin told me that he is a good friend of the KT Coach and that that if I do not join, then he will make sure that I am never able to be part of the competitive scene. That left me no choice, but to join. That happened at the end of June.

wow, this is gundamwerra/savior level of scumbagginess there.

RTSDealer

286 Posts

July 29 2013 04:33 GMT

#35

ELO boosting is far from BW's match fixing scandal but it does have negative effects.

Aside from League's server problems in Korea, ELO boosting is driving gamers to switch to Nexon's Dota 2.

Morzas

United States387 Posts

July 29 2013 04:49 GMT

#36

On July 29 2013 10:39 Swissm wrote:
Forgive my ignorance, but what is accomplished by paying to have your ELO boosted?

And this is in Korea, where if you don't have the latest phone or the dopest gear in MMORPGs you get made fun of in school.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

July 29 2013 04:52 GMT

#37

I think it speaks to our expectations of Riot when we consider player treatment by a team an issue for Riot Korea to resolve.

It makes sense in NA/EU for Riot to officiate player/team interactions because of the lack of an organization to manage them. But these organizations exist already in CN and KR. Why does it fall to Riot to officiate this business when players/teams should be making use of the infrastructure that already exists to protect their interests? Especially since LoL is now officially KESPA-supported, the teams should move to make this mean something.

Chexx

Korea (South)11232 Posts

July 29 2013 05:10 GMT

#38

On July 29 2013 13:52 TheYango wrote:
I think it speaks to our expectations of Riot when we consider player treatment by a team an issue for Riot Korea to resolve.

It makes sense in NA/EU for Riot to officiate player/team interactions because of the lack of an organization to manage them. But these organizations exist already in CN and KR. Why does it fall to Riot to officiate this business when players/teams should be making use of the infrastructure that already exists to protect their interests? Especially since LoL is now officially KESPA-supported, the teams should move to make this mean something.

Iam not sure how much KESPA cares about non KESPA Amateur teams.

Mutaller

United States1051 Posts

July 29 2013 05:24 GMT

#39

Thank you Frost,
This story gave me Savior BW Scandal vibes. Is there going to be legal punishment? This is seriously slavery in its own kind. 10 hours of boosting and you have have no choice damn.

nojitosunrise

United States6188 Posts

July 29 2013 05:25 GMT

#40

On July 29 2013 13:33 RTSDealer wrote:
ELO boosting is far from BW's match fixing scandal but it does have negative effects.

Aside from League's server problems in Korea, ELO boosting is driving gamers to switch to Nexon's Dota 2.

ya...no it's not lol

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