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[KR News]Monster Gaming Elo Boosting Scandal - Page 3

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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51603 Posts
July 29 2013 05:49 GMT
#41
Also, is Monster Gaming the same team as VTG Monsters (the team ran by Drakedog)?
Because there's an awful alot of talk about how the head honchos knew each other from WoW, and Drakedog was a renowned Korean PvP Warlock.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 29 2013 06:02 GMT
#42
On July 29 2013 14:25 nojitosunrise wrote:
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On July 29 2013 13:33 RTSDealer wrote:
ELO boosting is far from BW's match fixing scandal but it does have negative effects.

Aside from League's server problems in Korea, ELO boosting is driving gamers to switch to Nexon's Dota 2.


ya...no it's not lol

Actually a lot of koreans are complaining about elo boosting koreas 2nd class status as a server to riot, and all the server failures and a large amount of them are flocking to dota 2 since nexon cleverly promised a fix to literally every issue korean netizens bitch about league.
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
July 29 2013 07:37 GMT
#43
On July 29 2013 14:49 GTR wrote:
Also, is Monster Gaming the same team as VTG Monsters (the team ran by Drakedog)?
Because there's an awful alot of talk about how the head honchos knew each other from WoW, and Drakedog was a renowned Korean PvP Warlock.


Drakedog...from the World of Roguecraft videos?

THAT Korean Warlock?

looooooooooool, it's a small world.
KT FlaSh FOREVER
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17284 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-29 07:52:45
July 29 2013 07:51 GMT
#44
On July 29 2013 10:39 Swissm wrote:
Forgive my ignorance, but what is accomplished by paying to have your ELO boosted?

Virtually nothing beyond hindering your team during your initial games playing out of your Elo. Your hidden rating will rank rapidly and you'll get matched with the same people you were before, just you'll stay at the bottom of your league (e.g. Gold V) since you can't drop back down to Silver). The fact that you will stop at the bottom of a division is really the only incentive to do it (you can say "look how good I am, I'm Diamond").

The issue here is really just the ethics of allegedly forcing players into doing the boosting since there's basically no effect to the competitive scene and largely not even to solo queue in general.
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
July 29 2013 08:14 GMT
#45
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DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
July 29 2013 08:20 GMT
#46
On July 29 2013 17:14 krndandaman wrote:
why is this compared to the matchfixing scandal in BW? I don't think it's anything near that. You'd have to have like Madlife taking money to throw matches or something to be at least similar.

Either way, very sad that this happened. Good thing it got exposed before they went any further.

Well it hasn't really been "exposed" just now. Koreans have been complaining about it and Riot's inability to do anything about it for a couple months now, but it's not really an easy problem to approach.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
July 29 2013 09:44 GMT
#47
I understand not all Korean gaming houses are like that, but this kind of reinforces the image I have of them. Damn gaming sweatshops.
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The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
July 29 2013 10:01 GMT
#48
Slavery = scandal, yes D:
I got five reasons for you to shut up
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
July 29 2013 10:30 GMT
#49
On July 29 2013 17:14 krndandaman wrote:
why is this compared to the matchfixing scandal in BW? I don't think it's anything near that. You'd have to have like Madlife taking money to throw matches or something to be at least similar.

Either way, very sad that this happened. Good thing it got exposed before they went any further.


madlife matchfixing!! always win!!!
cool beans
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
July 29 2013 14:20 GMT
#50
On July 29 2013 14:49 GTR wrote:
Also, is Monster Gaming the same team as VTG Monsters (the team ran by Drakedog)?
Because there's an awful alot of talk about how the head honchos knew each other from WoW, and Drakedog was a renowned Korean PvP Warlock.




No, these two are different teams
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OrangeApples
Profile Joined January 2011
137 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-29 19:18:30
July 29 2013 19:07 GMT
#51
On July 29 2013 13:33 GTR wrote:
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I had no intention of joining at first, but Head Coach Kim-Jin told me that he is a good friend of the KT Coach and that that if I do not join, then he will make sure that I am never able to be part of the competitive scene. That left me no choice, but to join. That happened at the end of June.


wow, this is gundamwerra/savior level of scumbagginess there.


To be fair though, savior of sc:bw didn't really understood the implications of match fixing in televised matches and its potential impact on the scene. He was one of those "oh this is easy money" kind of guys but really didn't mean to damage the scene at heart. Parties involved were from multiple teams and were considered good players in the sc;bw progaming scene and did it in televised matches, hence its impact.

In this situation, the coach is coercing people into working for him. Its a newly established team, and even members themselves understand this is bad practice. They need to make excuses to escape or do it in a manner in which they cannot be seen. However, this really won't have much of an impact on the LoL scene other then giving the team itself a bad rep with a potential ban from riot games. Maybe even jail time/fine depending on how serious it is.
GreenGT
Profile Joined November 2009
Ukraine134 Posts
July 29 2013 19:58 GMT
#52
Thx a lot for this news. Sadly to read this, but this is real world. Hope korean scene will grow up and became more popular.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13407 Posts
July 29 2013 20:27 GMT
#53
I think this is similar to the scbw matchfixibg scandal in so far as the ethical issues it presents to Korean scene. Keep in mind how harmful the savior scandal was. Wounds like that don't ever really heal. Couple it alongside the growing concerns regarding riot Korea's approach to the game and netizen reactions and we see how the concern is amplified to the level of scandal and not just outrage.

You have coaches making claims about prominent kespa figures (KT head coach). You have young kids being tricked (disillusionment for young kids who want to keep at LoL). Couple this with RIOT Korea being seen as ineffective at dealing with boosting concerns, and if monster can do it, are other teams doing it? Then the shadow of savior returns - how deep does or can this go?

These all turn this situation into a huge boondocle
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kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
July 29 2013 21:21 GMT
#54
No way is this sAviOr level.

Not only was sAviOr a legend in the making and pivotal to a golden age of BW, but his actions directly affected the integrity of the game by duping the audience. This caused fans to question players when they made a poor play as to whether they were matchfixing or not, and what fun is watching a competitive game when it's not even competitive to begin with?

That said, this is a pretty serious issue of exploitation.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
August 02 2013 15:09 GMT
#55
http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=2744&l=2095

Alot of lifetime bans and 30 day bans are the consequence of this
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LoLGOd
Profile Joined August 2013
2 Posts
August 27 2013 21:46 GMT
#56
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