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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 03:46:05
July 13 2013 03:41 GMT
#1101
On July 13 2013 12:23 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 12:20 Requizen wrote:
Why do icons need new darkgritty realism?

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It's part of Riot's plan to make League look a little more like DOTA.

I think they look better. League has some ugly item art.

Edit: Also saw the tweaks to Turret armor, guess that's how they plan to "fix" the 2v1 situation. And Spellbreaker as "Melee Only" is interesting. Would probably be too strong on ranged champs, but who would build Spellbreaker instead of Maw? Sure it's more MR, but crit on it is awkward, just like it is on Atma's. Although Tenacity is nice.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
July 13 2013 03:48 GMT
#1102
On July 13 2013 12:41 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 12:23 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:20 Requizen wrote:
Why do icons need new darkgritty realism?

[image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading]


It's part of Riot's plan to make League look a little more like DOTA.

I think they look better. League has some ugly item art.

Edit: Also saw the tweaks to Turret armor, guess that's how they plan to "fix" the 2v1 situation. And Spellbreaker as "Melee Only" is interesting. Would probably be too strong on ranged champs, but who would build Spellbreaker instead of Maw? Sure it's more MR, but crit on it is awkward, just like it is on Atma's. Although Tenacity is nice.


I like the art too.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 13 2013 03:53 GMT
#1103
On July 13 2013 12:41 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 12:23 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:20 Requizen wrote:
Why do icons need new darkgritty realism?

[image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading]


It's part of Riot's plan to make League look a little more like DOTA.

I think they look better. League has some ugly item art.

Edit: Also saw the tweaks to Turret armor, guess that's how they plan to "fix" the 2v1 situation. And Spellbreaker as "Melee Only" is interesting. Would probably be too strong on ranged champs, but who would build Spellbreaker instead of Maw? Sure it's more MR, but crit on it is awkward, just like it is on Atma's. Although Tenacity is nice.

GP/Yi
It's your boy Guzma!
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
July 13 2013 03:53 GMT
#1104
It's not about how good they look, it's about how well it fits in with the rest of the art, and I think the new art would be a terrible fit.
TranslatorBaa!
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
July 13 2013 03:54 GMT
#1105
On July 13 2013 12:53 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 12:41 onlywonderboy wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:23 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:20 Requizen wrote:
Why do icons need new darkgritty realism?

[image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading]


It's part of Riot's plan to make League look a little more like DOTA.

I think they look better. League has some ugly item art.

Edit: Also saw the tweaks to Turret armor, guess that's how they plan to "fix" the 2v1 situation. And Spellbreaker as "Melee Only" is interesting. Would probably be too strong on ranged champs, but who would build Spellbreaker instead of Maw? Sure it's more MR, but crit on it is awkward, just like it is on Atma's. Although Tenacity is nice.

GP/Yi

It's a very exclusive club.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
July 13 2013 03:55 GMT
#1106
On July 13 2013 12:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
It's not about how good they look, it's about how well it fits in with the rest of the art, and I think the new art would be a terrible fit.


Not if they eventually do ALL the items.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 13 2013 03:57 GMT
#1107
On July 13 2013 12:54 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 12:53 Requizen wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:41 onlywonderboy wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:23 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:20 Requizen wrote:
Why do icons need new darkgritty realism?

[image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading]


It's part of Riot's plan to make League look a little more like DOTA.

I think they look better. League has some ugly item art.

Edit: Also saw the tweaks to Turret armor, guess that's how they plan to "fix" the 2v1 situation. And Spellbreaker as "Melee Only" is interesting. Would probably be too strong on ranged champs, but who would build Spellbreaker instead of Maw? Sure it's more MR, but crit on it is awkward, just like it is on Atma's. Although Tenacity is nice.

GP/Yi

It's a very exclusive club.

Fiora?

Trynd/Shaco for sure, maybe Rengar or Talon. Garen actually would like crit over AD.
It's your boy Guzma!
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 13 2013 03:59 GMT
#1108
good riddance, jayce.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12632 Posts
July 13 2013 04:02 GMT
#1109
On July 13 2013 12:31 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 12:21 ETisME wrote:
can someone give me some advice?
I am almost level 30 and sometimes normal queue pairs me up with silver/gold rank players.
I play all my games with my GF who isn't terrible but must play with me on a lane, so we usually go bot.
would have been fine if she sticks with using sona, but she is starting to use annie and karma bot and so I need to give her some cs. (no cs was what she most disliked about support)
I bought rengar thinking I can make use of the support for killing their adc but it seems not working at all

I am not sure if that's my problem (rengar is still very new to me) or this lane is just horrible for rengar because support can ward the bush
should I just get another champion instead? maybe elise because she is flexible?

I don't know. Rengar's an ok champ. I wouldn't say he's the best to start with but he's ok. I think he might work well with Annie. Generally when people do a different comp bot they try to get lots of kills and both Rengar and Annie are decent at getting kills.
Most bot lanes are AD carry(ranger) and Support but since you guys aren't playing meta that doesn't matter. Your opponents won't be playing something vastly superior.

thanks then I will just work on me and my gf skill first before doing anything else haha
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 13 2013 04:03 GMT
#1110
On July 13 2013 12:59 Infundibulum wrote:
good riddance, jayce.


Sadly, no welcome back to Olaf,
Freeeeeeedom
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
July 13 2013 04:16 GMT
#1111
On July 13 2013 13:03 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 12:59 Infundibulum wrote:
good riddance, jayce.


Sadly, no welcome back to Olaf,

Maybe, I mean he is getting at max 49% increased healing with his w up. That's with the

Attack damage: 7 / 14 / 21 / 28 / 35 (+1% of maximum health)
Life Steal / Spell Vamp: 9 / 12 / 15 / 18 / 21%

I think he's going to be a lot like aatrox with how his hp is going to bounce around.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
July 13 2013 04:25 GMT
#1112
On July 13 2013 12:48 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 12:41 onlywonderboy wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:23 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:20 Requizen wrote:
Why do icons need new darkgritty realism?

[image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading]


It's part of Riot's plan to make League look a little more like DOTA.

I think they look better. League has some ugly item art.

Edit: Also saw the tweaks to Turret armor, guess that's how they plan to "fix" the 2v1 situation. And Spellbreaker as "Melee Only" is interesting. Would probably be too strong on ranged champs, but who would build Spellbreaker instead of Maw? Sure it's more MR, but crit on it is awkward, just like it is on Atma's. Although Tenacity is nice.


I like the art too.

Also, it removes skulls from some of the items so CN can have the same icons as the rest of the world.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
July 13 2013 04:26 GMT
#1113
On July 13 2013 12:23 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 12:20 Requizen wrote:
Why do icons need new darkgritty realism?

[image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading]


It's part of Riot's plan to make League look a little more like DOTA.

They don't really fit in line with Riot's current champions or minion designs.

They'd need a massive remodel of the maps and champions to make them look less cartoony and more like this.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
July 13 2013 04:27 GMT
#1114
On July 13 2013 12:57 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 12:54 onlywonderboy wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:53 Requizen wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:41 onlywonderboy wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:23 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:20 Requizen wrote:
Why do icons need new darkgritty realism?

[image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading]


It's part of Riot's plan to make League look a little more like DOTA.

I think they look better. League has some ugly item art.

Edit: Also saw the tweaks to Turret armor, guess that's how they plan to "fix" the 2v1 situation. And Spellbreaker as "Melee Only" is interesting. Would probably be too strong on ranged champs, but who would build Spellbreaker instead of Maw? Sure it's more MR, but crit on it is awkward, just like it is on Atma's. Although Tenacity is nice.

GP/Yi

It's a very exclusive club.

Fiora?

Trynd/Shaco for sure, maybe Rengar or Talon. Garen actually would like crit over AD.

I figure Rango would still just prefer Maw. That said I'd say the item in it's current state sounds pretty niche.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 13 2013 04:32 GMT
#1115
On July 13 2013 13:16 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 13:03 cLutZ wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:59 Infundibulum wrote:
good riddance, jayce.


Sadly, no welcome back to Olaf,

Maybe, I mean he is getting at max 49% increased healing with his w up. That's with the

Attack damage: 7 / 14 / 21 / 28 / 35 (+1% of maximum health)
Life Steal / Spell Vamp: 9 / 12 / 15 / 18 / 21%

I think he's going to be a lot like aatrox with how his hp is going to bounce around.


What I think is the problem is that, honestly, I feel like he is basically going to be Jax/Irelia tier. And that is fine, because he is a lot like those champions, and I like those champions. The problem is that Riot has basically implicitly said, that they prefer the Zed/Khazix/Renekton (and to a lesser extent Darius/Garen, even though they arent great right now) model of AD skills with long cooldowns/burst instead of sustained damage and low cooldowns.
Freeeeeeedom
nanospartan
Profile Joined July 2011
649 Posts
July 13 2013 04:47 GMT
#1116
Uhhgh, i dont know what to do as pantheon when your behind, went hexdrinker->boots 1->LW, v elise (+heavy mao supp) and just didnt know what to do, ended up getting a vamp, giants belt, then warmogs.
I was an athiest until I watched the Day[9] daily
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
July 13 2013 04:53 GMT
#1117
On July 13 2013 13:47 nanospartan wrote:
Uhhgh, i dont know what to do as pantheon when your behind, went hexdrinker->boots 1->LW, v elise (+heavy mao supp) and just didnt know what to do, ended up getting a vamp, giants belt, then warmogs.

Abuse your global ulti and pray that you can snowball the other lanes? Probably your best bet.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 13 2013 05:16 GMT
#1118
On July 13 2013 13:25 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 12:48 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:41 onlywonderboy wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:23 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:20 Requizen wrote:
Why do icons need new darkgritty realism?

[image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading]


It's part of Riot's plan to make League look a little more like DOTA.

I think they look better. League has some ugly item art.

Edit: Also saw the tweaks to Turret armor, guess that's how they plan to "fix" the 2v1 situation. And Spellbreaker as "Melee Only" is interesting. Would probably be too strong on ranged champs, but who would build Spellbreaker instead of Maw? Sure it's more MR, but crit on it is awkward, just like it is on Atma's. Although Tenacity is nice.


I like the art too.

Also, it removes skulls from some of the items so CN can have the same icons as the rest of the world.

Well, I don't know if they'd want to go in that direction with the art design then, because one of the major criticisms leveled at DotA 2 in China is how the art style doesn't fit Asian style preferences very weill (outside of a few heroes).
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justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
July 13 2013 05:34 GMT
#1119
after reading jayce in PBE they might as well delete that hero or rework muramana...
AleKSei23
Profile Joined February 2007
Mexico75 Posts
July 13 2013 05:58 GMT
#1120
On July 13 2013 14:34 justiceknight wrote:
after reading jayce in PBE they might as well delete that hero or rework muramana...


If they go ahead with the proposed changes i will demand a fucking full refund and the debonair skin, they cant just do that kind of work, it disrespects people, especially since the changes are aimed at pro teams not at the general population :s
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