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MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
July 13 2013 07:24 GMT
#1141
On July 13 2013 16:22 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 16:21 MattBarry wrote:
On July 13 2013 12:24 Dusty wrote:
HAHAHA THOSE JAYCE NERFS

Good night sweet prince, holy fucking shit he's going to be so fucking bad if Riot doesn't remove 90% of these changes. He's going to be Olaf/Sion tier if they don't holy shit. Does anyone at riot actually play Jayce?

Regardless, glad I switched roles before they gutted my favorite champion.

Don't be hating on Sion. He's still a fun AP mid...and a hilarious AD carry in 3v3

Until the rework that gets rid of AP Sion hue.

I'd cry. Blowing people up with DFG+Stun+Shield pop just makes my day
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schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
July 13 2013 07:33 GMT
#1142
On July 13 2013 14:34 justiceknight wrote:
after reading jayce in PBE they might as well delete that hero or rework muramana...


I think we've already established riot aren't very good at game balance.

I've already moved onto gragas as my new favourite mid, jayce will be unplayable.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 13 2013 07:46 GMT
#1143
On July 13 2013 16:14 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 15:46 AleKSei23 wrote:
On July 13 2013 15:16 Infundibulum wrote:
On July 13 2013 14:58 AleKSei23 wrote:
On July 13 2013 14:34 justiceknight wrote:
after reading jayce in PBE they might as well delete that hero or rework muramana...


If they go ahead with the proposed changes i will demand a fucking full refund and the debonair skin, they cant just do that kind of work, it disrespects people, especially since the changes are aimed at pro teams not at the general population :s


it isnt disrespectful to balance the game


It is if they balance to the top .01% of the population ignoring the rest, the same happened to olaf and look where he is now, none plays him anymore.


Everyone has had champions they have bought get nerfed at some point. This isn't the end of Jayce, even if he falls hard in power to where he is horrible riot will again try to balance him again to viability. Riot doesn't want to "kill" champions (at least not forever) so be patient, and play other champs if he ends up sucking hard


Your contention is not necessarily true. Jayce Could be irrelevant, Poppy style, for quite some time. It just depends on Riot's ability to make the champ balanced. If you are an optimist you would say "well, Jayce is fundamentally ranged, and Riot seems to be able to balanced most of the ranged champs in LoL. Look at Kennen, Orianna, and Kog Maw. 3 totally differnt ranged champs, all balanced. If you are cynical, you say "look at Riots record with champs without an Ult" Nidalee was OP, then unseen, same with Udyr, Elise has never not been OP, and Karma is a mess.

The reality is, much like Olaf post nerfs, there is no reason to be optimistic about Jayce's future. On the other hand, Debonair Jayce is lame, so I hope you get it refunded.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 07:52:33
July 13 2013 07:50 GMT
#1144
On July 13 2013 16:14 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 15:46 AleKSei23 wrote:
On July 13 2013 15:16 Infundibulum wrote:
On July 13 2013 14:58 AleKSei23 wrote:
On July 13 2013 14:34 justiceknight wrote:
after reading jayce in PBE they might as well delete that hero or rework muramana...


If they go ahead with the proposed changes i will demand a fucking full refund and the debonair skin, they cant just do that kind of work, it disrespects people, especially since the changes are aimed at pro teams not at the general population :s


it isnt disrespectful to balance the game


It is if they balance to the top .01% of the population ignoring the rest, the same happened to olaf and look where he is now, none plays him anymore.


Everyone has had champions they have bought get nerfed at some point. This isn't the end of Jayce, even if he falls hard in power to where he is horrible riot will again try to balance him again to viability. Riot doesn't want to "kill" champions (at least not forever) so be patient, and play other champs if he ends up sucking hard

Personally the real problem I see with this Jayce change is that it's representative of two issues that have perennially been problem's for Riot's balance team that they've never fixed.

1) Riot has already just nerfed the Champion. No matter how minor the change may appear on paper, they cannot have possibly analyzed the effects of this change fully yet.
2) The balance of the champion is tied to certain other factors that may be out of line and Riot has failed to recognize this (in this case, how strong Tear and related items currently are).

I'm not going to venture to guess whether Jayce needs a nerf this hard, but I will say that Riot could not possibly know at this point whether Jayce needs a nerf this hard yet, when taking into account the fact that they haven't fully seen this current nerf through, and the fact that Tear/Muramana will *probably* need a nerf somewhere down the line anyway.
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deathray797
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
196 Posts
July 13 2013 08:09 GMT
#1145
I haven't seen it mentioned here but does anyone else have the issue where the league client keeps disconnecting? Ingame its fine but out of game seems to disconnect me every 30 seconds, which makes it impossible to make it through champ select or even find a game in the first place.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 08:11:10
July 13 2013 08:10 GMT
#1146
it looks to me like they're moving him off tear dependency. to me, that's perfectly in line with expecting a tear nerf down the road.

EDIT: in fact, reading through, that is exactly their goal. if anything they're saving him from going down with the item.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 13 2013 09:35 GMT
#1147
Well new Muramana blows

31min to stack tear with Yorick, really...
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
July 13 2013 09:38 GMT
#1148
Olaf Q is going from 0.4 to 1.3 AD ratio with these changes, that seems pretty huge to me. Will be interesting to try out new Olaf
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 09:41:04
July 13 2013 09:39 GMT
#1149
On July 13 2013 18:38 zodde wrote:
Olaf Q is going from 0.4 to 1.3 AD ratio with these changes, that seems pretty huge to me. Will be interesting to try out new Olaf

but its at 1.0 ratio atm
On July 13 2013 18:35 Shikyo wrote:
Well new Muramana blows

31min to stack tear with Yorick, really...

its like riot wants manaless champions to be even more superior to mana based ones
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
July 13 2013 09:42 GMT
#1150
out of curiousity, are galio or maokai support any good anymore?
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11507 Posts
July 13 2013 10:01 GMT
#1151
Probably not.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
July 13 2013 10:30 GMT
#1152
just saw the newest PBE updates...

goodbye jayce may Riot's 100th champion RIP in peace until he gets buffed to Op status again

and am I the only one that prefers the old item icons? Might be because they haven't finished it yet, but the new ones look so blurry
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35143 Posts
July 13 2013 10:35 GMT
#1153
Can somebody, without being highly aggressive and talking down to me, tell me why the proposed Jayce changes are so bad? I don't see it.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 10:53:53
July 13 2013 10:51 GMT
#1154
On July 13 2013 19:35 Gahlo wrote:
Can somebody, without being highly aggressive and talking down to me, tell me why the proposed Jayce changes are so bad? I don't see it.

See my post earlier on this page. It's far too soon to push out such a drastic nerf so quickly when they already nerfed the champ (as well as the item that is the lynchpin of his current power) just this patch.

I won't expect the dust to settle properly on the existing Jayce changes for at least another month or two. There's no sense in even attempting to consider his "balance" issues if there are any before that time. In general Riot has always severely underestimated the time-frame that it takes to properly evaluate the changes in a new patch, which has resulted in them over-buffing or over-nerfing champs due to buffs/nerfs in successive patches that culminate into an overpowered/underpowered version of the champ 2-3 months down the line when everyone has actually properly evaluated all those changes.

I guess this really is just my old quip with Riot patching the game too frequently--but quite honestly the time frame for people to actually assess versions of the game is actually quite slow. The typical time it takes for a new "OP" champ to be discovered, learned, and come into the foreground is typically around 2 months except in the most blatantly OP cases. Considering that from the point the champ becomes a 1st priority ban/pick it will take a similar time for players to learn correct counter-play to the champion, I think patching in cycles any shorter than 4 months (on average, obviously things that become blatantly out-of-hand require quicker response) is simply counter-productive because the community doesn't resolve the current patch changes fast enough for successive changes to be meaningful--your ability to resolve the effects of balance changes are limited by the rate at which people adapt those changes into their gameplay, so if you're changing the game faster than that, you're essentially just waving your hands around in the dark.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 13 2013 10:55 GMT
#1155
On July 13 2013 19:35 Gahlo wrote:
Can somebody, without being highly aggressive and talking down to me, tell me why the proposed Jayce changes are so bad? I don't see it.

Probably because of the 1 extra level thing.

If they scaled normally I don't really see problems. Jayce was an asshole anyway. Lose every lane vs him and even when I'm winning hard and like 3 levels ahead he can still freefarm
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
FSKi
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States901 Posts
July 13 2013 11:20 GMT
#1156
--- Nuked ---
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
July 13 2013 12:37 GMT
#1157
Jayce won't be missed that's for sure.
Best Teemo World
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 13:25:47
July 13 2013 13:05 GMT
#1158
i will miss jayce, dont care about olaf though this champion was gay as fk
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 13:54:03
July 13 2013 13:53 GMT
#1159
I think all this "Jayce will be unplayable" shit is hilarious.

You guys all said the same stuff about the Jayce nerfs in the last patch, and now he's still strong and they're still nerfing him.

It's pretty blatant that TL GD's predictions about nerfs are consistently wrong at this point, so why continue? Why not actually talk about the game instead of continuing to whine like children?

Where's Scip, I want to talk to him some more about our buff transfer strategy now that we've been testing it for a month and refined it a little.

SCIP WHERE U AT
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 13:55:59
July 13 2013 13:54 GMT
#1160
hes afk since yesterday probably on a bus or something

buff transfer still seems dumb, reporting udyr and xin having "no problems" without blue is liek wat wat wat
totally viable if stealing a buff ofc

you'll have trouble finding a real jungler who even thinks its good to transfer off 2nd blue a lot of the time, let alone first
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