[Patch 3.09: Spirit Guard Udyr Patch] General Discussion -…

On July 30 2013 09:15 wei2coolman wrote:

rename jungler to "scapegoat" imo.
mid should be called "greedy used car salesmen"
top should be called "Chuck Noland"

On July 30 2013 09:12 onlywonderboy wrote:

Oh man, I was just about to post saying "Calling all Scips"

Riot post calling for feedback on Skarner.

On July 30 2013 09:46 Amui wrote:


I don't think skarner's kit is too bad in all honesty. Mana cost reduction on skills, revert some nerfs and possibly change functionality of E/W(mostly E, as it is right now it's a clunky and rather worthless skill) and he's going to be fine. Fix some inconsistencies with R, Level 6+, if skarner blows flash for a gank and you didn't respect it, you should rightfully die. I think if they made it so that the shield's MS buff didn't go away with the shield breaking, that would already stop him from being kited. If they do more than minor changes I'll be sad.

+ Show Spoiler +

I really like this aspect of skarner's gameplay tbh.

On July 30 2013 09:46 Amui wrote:


I don't think skarner's kit is too bad in all honesty. Mana cost reduction on skills, revert some nerfs and possibly change functionality of E/W(mostly E, as it is right now it's a clunky and rather worthless skill) and he's going to be fine. Fix some inconsistencies with R, Level 6+, if skarner blows flash for a gank and you didn't respect it, you should rightfully die. I think if they made it so that the shield's MS buff didn't go away with the shield breaking, that would already stop him from being kited. If they do more than minor changes I'll be sad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySXCdcnKBgg

I really like this aspect of skarner's gameplay tbh.

On July 30 2013 07:22 onlywonderboy wrote:

We need a Liss thread ASAP, Liss is my go to Mid champ these days so having a play to discuss her would be nice. I know someone said they were working on one but I'm not sure what the current status of it is. Maybe I'll work on a quick one that can be expanded. I mean I'll be around to edit it, not going anywhere anytime soon ha.

On July 30 2013 10:06 danana wrote:


It's fine with me if you want to start a lissandra thread. Sorry ive been much slower than i thought i would be. Im gone to a wedding this week and starting med school next week so even if I get a chance to finish and post the thread, I doubt I'll be able to maintain it particularly well. The main reason I wanted to do it was because it seemed like no one else was playing her much but I now realize thats not the case at all and most of you seem to have a lot more experience than I do with her.

On July 30 2013 09:27 obesechicken13 wrote:

mid should be "spoiled brat (middle child)"
support should be "abused wife"
agree with jungler although you can also name him "oldest child"
top should be "absent father"
adc can be "baby"

On July 30 2013 11:11 PrinceXizor wrote:
Skarner is honestly fine. if you give him anything he'd only really need a slightly faster base attack speed. riot is confusing meta issues with balance issues again.

On July 30 2013 11:44 Feartheguru wrote:
Malz is definitely not a "pubstomper", by the nature of his ult he is team dependent and single target focused, exactly the opposite of a "pubstomper".

On July 30 2013 11:58 PrinceXizor wrote:
Fracture isn't really bad though. Its roughly as good as a majority of junglers off-skill maybe slightly better. it has more damage than crystal slash drastically, far stronger in the jungle than his slash is, especially if you consider that double golems is significantly better than wraiths is to farm now, common skarner builds don't need to stick for longer than 3-4 seconds anyway, and reverie works well enough for that. There is no mathematical reason to level slash over fracture anymore on skarner. the extra 5% slow at level 8 isn't going to make skarner any better at ganking, not realistically, since impale is what nets his ganks kills past 6, and you shouldn't be leveling slash over exoskeleton either.

I admit its far easier just to mash your face on a keyboard than to aim spells and smartly proc the marks, but ease of use isn't a barrier in league of legends like it can be in other games.

by leveling slash second you gain 5% slow, 15 physical damage, and 12 magical damage at levels 8, 10, 12, 13. by that point in time most players armor scaling, assuming no players in the game have bought armor, has given them 10-15% reduced damage from physical more than early in the game, and by the later levels, when the slows start to be more useful, you are going to be in teamfights more often than ganking, and if ganking towers should be fallen, giving a longer way to chase and keep up with a player, meaning the slow is valued less and less for ganking.

compare Fracture to Golden Aegis on jarvan. aegis gives jarvan up to 90 more shield/lvl in team fights, and only 50 more shield in ganks, and only 40 hp/level in the jungle. Fracture gives 30 hp/lvl in team fights and in the jungle, and closer to 15 hp/lvl in ganks. when thought of as only a defensive skill, but the 40 damage per target/lvl from upgrading it can make that health swing act roughly on par with golden aegis pretty consistently. Jarvan isn't complained for having a useless Third skill, even though it is mathematically poor to level golden aegis over his other skills. Skarner has a strong spell in fracture that people complain is useless, even though its superior to leveling slash second.

On July 30 2013 12:05 onlywonderboy wrote:
lol called it