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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 29 2013 19:32 GMT
#6401
where do i turn on chat while spectating a game?
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 29 2013 19:34 GMT
#6402
On July 30 2013 04:32 FinestHour wrote:
where do i turn on chat while spectating a game?

The little eye in the bottom left corner iirc should show what can be displayed which will include chat.
Glorious SEA doto
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
July 29 2013 19:34 GMT
#6403
On July 30 2013 04:18 nafta wrote:
I have literally not seen a single taric in months.Do people still play him?You don't need to have hybrid pens.They help but they are not that needed.I have 122 games with lulu and all of em I've ran only armor/armor/mr/gp10 and still can do fine.

I stopped, he just feels super lackluster now. Granted, he was crazy OP before, but he feels super watered down now.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
July 29 2013 19:34 GMT
#6404
On July 30 2013 04:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
This makes me think.
5 champs left. Also wanted to buy split pen at some point.
Have 5k IP. Wat do?

(Not like I play anything but bot games atm and have no reason to own every champ other than obsession...split pen first then keep working on champs?)

I'd get the runes if you have the pages to use them personally
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 29 2013 19:36 GMT
#6405
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IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
July 29 2013 19:38 GMT
#6406
On July 30 2013 01:45 Numy wrote:
So thanks to everyone I bought Kass and completely wrecked first game I played him with. Feels way more like a dota hero than LoL for some reason. I think it's because of the way you fight by darting in and out which is basically how you fight in dota with supports/lower prio farm guys which is what I used to do in my team. Feels so much more natural lol.

I just got kass too and he is alot of fun and prolly the shortest amount of time it took me to learn a champ..... freelo all day
Moar banelings less qq
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
July 29 2013 19:38 GMT
#6407
I could be wrong, I believe what it technically means is it resets your auto-attack swing timer. The time I most often use this personally is when I'm in bot lane bush with Leona. A ward pops up and you auto-Q-auto really quickly because her Q resets the auto.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
July 29 2013 19:43 GMT
#6408
On July 30 2013 04:38 mordek wrote:
I could be wrong, I believe what it technically means is it resets your auto-attack swing timer. The time I most often use this personally is when I'm in bot lane bush with Leona. A ward pops up and you auto-Q-auto really quickly because her Q resets the auto.

Then you get accused of hacking when they drop their pink and see nothing in the bush. =3
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
July 29 2013 19:50 GMT
#6409
On July 30 2013 04:43 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 04:38 mordek wrote:
I could be wrong, I believe what it technically means is it resets your auto-attack swing timer. The time I most often use this personally is when I'm in bot lane bush with Leona. A ward pops up and you auto-Q-auto really quickly because her Q resets the auto.

Then you get accused of hacking when they drop their pink and see nothing in the bush. =3

Feel the sun's glory.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
July 29 2013 19:58 GMT
#6410
On July 30 2013 04:34 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 04:18 nafta wrote:
I have literally not seen a single taric in months.Do people still play him?You don't need to have hybrid pens.They help but they are not that needed.I have 122 games with lulu and all of em I've ran only armor/armor/mr/gp10 and still can do fine.

I stopped, he just feels super lackluster now. Granted, he was crazy OP before, but he feels super watered down now.


why the hell would you have hybrid penetration runes on taric...
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 29 2013 20:01 GMT
#6411
It actually makes sense since you stun them and then your w reduces their armor and your ultimate gives you flat ad.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-29 20:04:14
July 29 2013 20:03 GMT
#6412
On July 30 2013 04:10 sylverfyre wrote:
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On July 30 2013 04:02 Slayer91 wrote:
On July 30 2013 03:08 xes wrote:
On July 30 2013 03:03 sylverfyre wrote:
On July 30 2013 01:15 NpG)Explosive wrote:
On July 29 2013 22:54 sylverfyre wrote:
On July 29 2013 21:40 Shikyo wrote:
Lich Bane of course, (Ruby) sightstone(>_>), Guardian Angel, Last Whisper, all stacking items, Quicksilver Sash, Sunfire Cape, SotD, Void Staff are all rather inefficient without their passives, GA and the sightstones probably being the biggest offenders



Torment doesn't count the mpen I think so it's not that bad

Torment needs its passive badly to be efficient, because the MPen and HP are identical to haunting guise. If you don't need the passive, leave it as a haunting guise until 6 items, then drop the guise for a different item.


You get 100 hp when you upgrade.

Sorry, my mistake. Still, for over 900 gold just for combine cost, 80% of that cost goes to the passive.

Also remember that "efficient" is extremely relative if the item has a stat like HP Regen, Mana Regen, or Mana on it, because the "base item" that LoLwiki compares them to is actually EXTREMELY INEFFICIENT, making nearly anything with those stats on them appear efficient when you compare them to the incredibly inefficient Sapphire Crystals, Rejuv Beads, and Faerie charms.

Directly offensive and defensive stats (all the other stats, basically) don't vary nearly as ridiculously in goldcost from item to item.


Just to re-emphasize, the LoLWiki cost-efficiency is totally useless because they don't even use BF Sword or Pickaxe for baseline AD which means all the baseline items are total shit (not to mention any core items used as a baseline), so the efficiency is completely out of context.

It'd be like saying you scored 90 percentile on a test when 50%-tile was scaled to fetuses.


you are saying "totally useless" when you mean "slightly inflated"

bf sword cost efficiency is irrelevant to anyone who doesnt buy BF swords. Most melee champs want to compare cost efficicency to longswords

Even melees actually care far more about the cost efficiency of Doran's Blade, Brutalizer, Hexdrinker, and Bilgewater Cutlass far more than they do about the worst-in-game cost efficiency of a Long Sword.


llong swords is a fine baseline compairison because it shows how much you want these items and comparing them all to one standard is how measurements work

bro do you even physics
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
July 29 2013 20:03 GMT
#6413
On July 30 2013 04:58 Complete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 04:34 Gahlo wrote:
On July 30 2013 04:18 nafta wrote:
I have literally not seen a single taric in months.Do people still play him?You don't need to have hybrid pens.They help but they are not that needed.I have 122 games with lulu and all of em I've ran only armor/armor/mr/gp10 and still can do fine.

I stopped, he just feels super lackluster now. Granted, he was crazy OP before, but he feels super watered down now.


why the hell would you have hybrid penetration runes on taric...



He was addressing Lulu from earlier in the conversation.

Hybrid pen are good on Taric if you're not running armor Reds. Stun, auto, W, auto. You shredded some armor already so the Arpen is going to be more effective and stun/shatter combo does magic dmg.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
July 29 2013 20:04 GMT
#6414
hybrid pen on taric would be ok if taric wasnt nerfed to the ground for being too popular in solo q
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
July 29 2013 20:06 GMT
#6415
On July 30 2013 04:18 nafta wrote:
I have literally not seen a single taric in months.Do people still play him?You don't need to have hybrid pens.They help but they are not that needed.I have 122 games with lulu and all of em I've ran only armor/armor/mr/gp10 and still can do fine.


I play him. Personally I think his heal is his strongest skill by far now, and everyone trying to play him by maxing w first now is crazy. It's only 40 extra damage and 5 extra armor per level, you don't get the obnoxious flat armor aura anymore without actually building armor. You're basically playing a gimped Leona if you max his w first these days.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 29 2013 20:07 GMT
#6416
On July 30 2013 04:18 nafta wrote:
I have literally not seen a single taric in months.Do people still play him?You don't need to have hybrid pens.They help but they are not that needed.I have 122 games with lulu and all of em I've ran only armor/armor/mr/gp10 and still can do fine.


I meant Taric in an esoteric way. Thresh is the new Taric.
Freeeeeeedom
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 29 2013 20:08 GMT
#6417
On July 30 2013 05:06 zer0das wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 04:18 nafta wrote:
I have literally not seen a single taric in months.Do people still play him?You don't need to have hybrid pens.They help but they are not that needed.I have 122 games with lulu and all of em I've ran only armor/armor/mr/gp10 and still can do fine.


I play him. Personally I think his heal is his strongest skill by far now, and everyone trying to play him by maxing w first now is crazy. It's only 40 extra damage and 5 extra armor per level, you don't get the obnoxious flat armor aura anymore without actually building armor. You're basically playing a gimped Leona if you max his w first these days.

And if you're maxing heal you're basically playing a gimped Sona, imo.
It's your boy Guzma!
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-29 20:17:13
July 29 2013 20:13 GMT
#6418
Except his heal goes down in cooldown if you mash someone with your hammer, so its better in clutch situations. Also you can auto creeps to lower the cooldown.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-29 20:23:08
July 29 2013 20:22 GMT
#6419
-3 sec per auto on an enemy champion is deceptively strong. I witnessed the manliness of QMax Taric personally.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
July 29 2013 20:26 GMT
#6420
On July 30 2013 04:12 TheYango wrote:
Well, the proper comparison is just directly comparing the two items you're actually interested in, and for that you just need a baseline of some sort. It doesn't matter which one it is because you're never going to just be looking at items in a vacuum.

Except this is not what people do when they pull shit like "lol wiki says it is gold efficient!!!!"
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