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On July 26 2013 09:03 Requizen wrote:
Was talking with some folks in chat a bit ago, anyone have any insight into Lissandra builds? RoA didnt feel quite right to me, was thinking maybe Grail? She feels like a spammer to me, lots of Qs to harass and push.
Zhonya's, Athenes, Abyssal/Deathcap depending on need.
QWWEWR W>E>Q>R
Q too mana prohibitive to spam. EW can clear a wave for 50 mana every wave after a point.
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On July 26 2013 09:03 Requizen wrote:
Was talking with some folks in chat a bit ago, anyone have any insight into Lissandra builds? RoA didnt feel quite right to me, was thinking maybe Grail? She feels like a spammer to me, lots of Qs to harass and push.
I usually go double DRings into Abyssal, not a huge fan of RoA. Two DRings and her passive let you spam pretty well. Going super tanky isn't really necessary. As cool as it is riding the claw in and self-ulting a lot of the time it's better to just ult their squishy if they get out of position (or as a counter follow up).
Edit: I max Q, I usually don't ever use E to farm if I can avoid it since it's your escape. Guess it just depends on the player.
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On July 26 2013 09:13 Frudgey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 07:17 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On July 26 2013 07:09 ketchup wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
also finally caught up to actually post stuff only 5 pages late. WOOOOOOO
LOL KETCHUP This is a lot funnier when you forget that Ketchup is an actual person on Team Liquid.
Or that Ketchup catched up.
On July 26 2013 10:05 JonGalt wrote:
Should I actually try to learn Windows 8 or should I just go back to the tried and tested Windows XP look?
After a bit it's not an issue.
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On July 26 2013 10:29 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 09:03 Requizen wrote:
Was talking with some folks in chat a bit ago, anyone have any insight into Lissandra builds? RoA didnt feel quite right to me, was thinking maybe Grail? She feels like a spammer to me, lots of Qs to harass and push. Zhonya's, Athenes, Abyssal/Deathcap depending on need. QWWEWR W>E>Q>R Q too mana prohibitive to spam. EW can clear a wave for 50 mana every wave after a point.
Yeah, but E is your escape and W requires you to basically be in melee. If I saw a Liss using those to clear instead of fight/defend/escape, I'd punish the shit out of her. Q's draw is that, while shorter than many mages' spells, it's still relatively safe and fast clearing.
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On July 26 2013 10:30 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 09:03 Requizen wrote:
Was talking with some folks in chat a bit ago, anyone have any insight into Lissandra builds? RoA didnt feel quite right to me, was thinking maybe Grail? She feels like a spammer to me, lots of Qs to harass and push. I usually go double DRings into Abyssal, not a huge fan of RoA. Two DRings and her passive let you spam pretty well. Going super tanky isn't really necessary. As cool as it is riding the claw in and self-ulting a lot of the time it's better to just ult their squishy if they get out of position (or as a counter follow up). Edit: I max Q, I usually don't ever use E to farm if I can avoid it since it's your escape. Guess it just depends on the player.
I wouldn't ever use it to farm until its CD is under 15 seconds. but it is the only spell lissandra has that can safely hit all 6 minions as they come up in a line. then sauntering in or Jumping to the claw and W clears everything for 50 mana, while 2 Q's and a W end up costing triple that.
if you look at what you gain per Skill level its 35 damage/lvl for Q and .5 seconds off the CD.
W gives 40 damage/lvl, 1 second off the CD, and .1 second longer snare/lvl
E gives 45 damage/lvl 3 seconds off the CD.
On July 26 2013 10:36 Requizen wrote:
Yeah, but E is your escape and W requires you to basically be in melee. If I saw a Liss using those to clear instead of fight/defend/escape, I'd punish the shit out of her. Q's draw is that, while shorter than many mages' spells, it's still relatively safe and fast clearing.
W's range is larger than it seems. 450 isn't terribly short. and typically if they are far enough back to be safe from your spells walking in then pressing W (which casts instantly) and walking back doesn't give them time to react.Maxing W also gives you much better assist in ganks as well as avoiding ganks in the first place.
using E is only prohibitive to your escape if you use it while a jungler is camping your brush (your fault) or if its level 1.
Its both your highest damage longest range spell, and your escape. using it SOLELY for mobility would be like playing ezreal and only using arcane shift to dodge stuff and never using it to attack.
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On July 26 2013 02:03 Capped wrote:
Ok im getting frustrated with this now.
I play jungler main so im usually big tanky engage-y types like J4, Rammus, Naut etc. but what i dont get is i always initiate onto their fed-carry (adc or mid) and peel them, they spend the majority of the fight running from me with somebody else tailing to get me off them.
But my team dies anyway. I dont fucking get it. Im doing what i can, i dive in first and attract attention, peel the high-damage dude, get someone else following me so i leave them 3v4 without focus (I cant imagine bronze players auto switching from me as soon as the team follows up) but they just fucking die.
Its standard that im in a 1v2 situation, i dive in, peel the carry and expect to die / take one with me but when i die and then watch as they've just been Aced. Im left in a "wtf" situation.
Am i doing this wrong? Should i not be peeling the carry and trying to pull others away? :| Should i focus on keep them off my carries instead?
I know the ideal situation is to have the carries killed, which happens too, but in the event that they start running from me, i follow to keep them out of the fight and pull others onto me, the tanky fucker.
*cringes at usage of 'peel' again*
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On July 26 2013 10:37 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 10:30 onlywonderboy wrote:On July 26 2013 09:03 Requizen wrote:
Was talking with some folks in chat a bit ago, anyone have any insight into Lissandra builds? RoA didnt feel quite right to me, was thinking maybe Grail? She feels like a spammer to me, lots of Qs to harass and push. I usually go double DRings into Abyssal, not a huge fan of RoA. Two DRings and her passive let you spam pretty well. Going super tanky isn't really necessary. As cool as it is riding the claw in and self-ulting a lot of the time it's better to just ult their squishy if they get out of position (or as a counter follow up). Edit: I max Q, I usually don't ever use E to farm if I can avoid it since it's your escape. Guess it just depends on the player. I wouldn't ever use it to farm until its CD is under 15 seconds. but it is the only spell lissandra has that can safely hit all 6 minions as they come up in a line. then sauntering in or Jumping to the claw and W clears everything for 50 mana, while 2 Q's and a W end up costing triple that. if you look at what you gain per Skill level its 35 damage/lvl for Q and .5 seconds off the CD. W gives 40 damage/lvl, 1 second off the CD, and .1 second longer snare/lvl E gives 45 damage/lvl 3 seconds off the CD. Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 10:36 Requizen wrote:
Yeah, but E is your escape and W requires you to basically be in melee. If I saw a Liss using those to clear instead of fight/defend/escape, I'd punish the shit out of her. Q's draw is that, while shorter than many mages' spells, it's still relatively safe and fast clearing. W's range is larger than it seems. 450 isn't terribly short. and typically if they are far enough back to be safe from your spells walking in then pressing W (which casts instantly) and walking back doesn't give them time to react.Maxing W also gives you much better assist in ganks as well as avoiding ganks in the first place. using E is only prohibitive to your escape if you use it while a jungler is camping your brush (your fault) or if its level 1. Its both your highest damage longest range spell, and your escape. using it SOLELY for mobility would be like playing ezreal and only using arcane shift to dodge stuff and never using it to attack.
You use Arcane Shift for the blink, not the damage  but I see what you're saying. I'll give it a try next time I play Liss.
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On July 26 2013 10:49 nyxnyxnyx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 02:03 Capped wrote:
Ok im getting frustrated with this now.
I play jungler main so im usually big tanky engage-y types like J4, Rammus, Naut etc. but what i dont get is i always initiate onto their fed-carry (adc or mid) and peel them, they spend the majority of the fight running from me with somebody else tailing to get me off them.
But my team dies anyway. I dont fucking get it. Im doing what i can, i dive in first and attract attention, peel the high-damage dude, get someone else following me so i leave them 3v4 without focus (I cant imagine bronze players auto switching from me as soon as the team follows up) but they just fucking die.
Its standard that im in a 1v2 situation, i dive in, peel the carry and expect to die / take one with me but when i die and then watch as they've just been Aced. Im left in a "wtf" situation.
Am i doing this wrong? Should i not be peeling the carry and trying to pull others away? :| Should i focus on keep them off my carries instead?
I know the ideal situation is to have the carries killed, which happens too, but in the event that they start running from me, i follow to keep them out of the fight and pull others onto me, the tanky fucker. *cringes at usage of 'peel' again*
Sometimes I buy the take home pizzas from Costco, then I use a peel to put it on the pizza stone in the oven.
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On July 26 2013 10:53 kainzero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 10:49 nyxnyxnyx wrote:On July 26 2013 02:03 Capped wrote:
Ok im getting frustrated with this now.
I play jungler main so im usually big tanky engage-y types like J4, Rammus, Naut etc. but what i dont get is i always initiate onto their fed-carry (adc or mid) and peel them, they spend the majority of the fight running from me with somebody else tailing to get me off them.
But my team dies anyway. I dont fucking get it. Im doing what i can, i dive in first and attract attention, peel the high-damage dude, get someone else following me so i leave them 3v4 without focus (I cant imagine bronze players auto switching from me as soon as the team follows up) but they just fucking die.
Its standard that im in a 1v2 situation, i dive in, peel the carry and expect to die / take one with me but when i die and then watch as they've just been Aced. Im left in a "wtf" situation.
Am i doing this wrong? Should i not be peeling the carry and trying to pull others away? :| Should i focus on keep them off my carries instead?
I know the ideal situation is to have the carries killed, which happens too, but in the event that they start running from me, i follow to keep them out of the fight and pull others onto me, the tanky fucker. *cringes at usage of 'peel' again* Sometimes I buy the take home pizzas from Costco, then I use a peel to put it on the pizza stone in the oven.
Sometimes I peel banannas and onions and wrappers for granola bars.
Also it's really nice to peel away from enemy bruisers using Ashe's volley for AoE slow followed by an auto from ibg.
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On July 26 2013 10:52 onlywonderboy wrote:You use Arcane Shift for the blink, not the damage but I see what you're saying. I'll give it a try next time I play Liss.
The Arcane Shift homing missile is actually really significant for damage, it's just you have to be somewhat cognizant of the position of the creeps when you use it, because it doesn't prioritize champions. Using it well is one of those oft-overlooked skills of good Ezreal players.
Most people don't actually realize how far the missile goes--it has 750 range.
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On July 26 2013 11:09 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 10:52 onlywonderboy wrote:You use Arcane Shift for the blink, not the damage but I see what you're saying. I'll give it a try next time I play Liss. The Arcane Shift homing missile is actually really significant for damage, it's just you have to be somewhat cognizant of the position of the creeps when you use it, because it doesn't prioritize champions. Using it well is one of those oft-overlooked skills of good Ezreal players. Most people don't actually realize how far the missile goes--it has 750 range.
For the record, I know it does damage, I guess I underestimated how much.
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CaoMei giving up first blood as usual, seems like everything is going as planned for WE.
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I'd be down for noob scrims time dependent. :3
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@Capped
You're not using the word peel correctly. There's a difference between peeling and diving, peeling is getting people off your teammates, diving is damaging/occupying the enemy. You can't really expect to go in 1v5 and for your team to win the followup unless they're killing off the enemy team's damage threats off extremely quickly. To me it sounds like you're misjudging situations and expecting your team to followup when they can't.
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When you look at your IP and its 1681 and you think "oh now would be a good time to go back to buy a BF sword"
god I'm an idiot
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On July 26 2013 10:53 kainzero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 10:49 nyxnyxnyx wrote:On July 26 2013 02:03 Capped wrote:
Ok im getting frustrated with this now.
I play jungler main so im usually big tanky engage-y types like J4, Rammus, Naut etc. but what i dont get is i always initiate onto their fed-carry (adc or mid) and peel them, they spend the majority of the fight running from me with somebody else tailing to get me off them.
But my team dies anyway. I dont fucking get it. Im doing what i can, i dive in first and attract attention, peel the high-damage dude, get someone else following me so i leave them 3v4 without focus (I cant imagine bronze players auto switching from me as soon as the team follows up) but they just fucking die.
Its standard that im in a 1v2 situation, i dive in, peel the carry and expect to die / take one with me but when i die and then watch as they've just been Aced. Im left in a "wtf" situation.
Am i doing this wrong? Should i not be peeling the carry and trying to pull others away? :| Should i focus on keep them off my carries instead?
I know the ideal situation is to have the carries killed, which happens too, but in the event that they start running from me, i follow to keep them out of the fight and pull others onto me, the tanky fucker. *cringes at usage of 'peel' again* Sometimes I buy the take home pizzas from Costco, then I use a peel to put it on the pizza stone in the oven.
Sometimes when I play Pantheon, I like to peel the enemy mid laner with my Q harass until they die.
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On July 26 2013 11:13 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 11:09 TheYango wrote:On July 26 2013 10:52 onlywonderboy wrote:You use Arcane Shift for the blink, not the damage but I see what you're saying. I'll give it a try next time I play Liss. The Arcane Shift homing missile is actually really significant for damage, it's just you have to be somewhat cognizant of the position of the creeps when you use it, because it doesn't prioritize champions. Using it well is one of those oft-overlooked skills of good Ezreal players. Most people don't actually realize how far the missile goes--it has 750 range. For the record, I know it does damage, I guess I underestimated how much.
With AP Ezreal, it actually does as much damage as a Q if you don't have Sheen. The damage is very respectable.
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I'd like to peel the skin off everyone using peel incorrectly on purpose >
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On July 26 2013 11:44 nyxnyxnyx wrote:I'd like to peel the skin off everyone using peel incorrectly on purpose >
How unapeeeling.
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On July 26 2013 11:54 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 11:44 nyxnyxnyx wrote:I'd like to peel the skin off everyone using peel incorrectly on purpose > How unapeeeling.
They should repeal their false definitions.
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