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I'm honestly not getting home at any reasonable hour tonight, we'll postpone until (hopefully) tomorrow. Depends if this shit continues to hit the fan or not.
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
I'm honestly not getting home at any reasonable hour tonight, we'll postpone until (hopefully) tomorrow. Depends if this shit continues to hit the fan or not. | ||
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Vanka
China1336 Posts
On July 25 2013 11:16 Seuss wrote: Twitch is the next carry in succession. Varus and Draven have been nerfed, and Vayne appears to be next. That's basically all his competition. Tristana may pose a burst threat after 6, but before then she only outtrades him if she can DoT and gtfo. Any extended trade works in his favor (Expunge and his passive are brutal when stacked). Tristana is better late game against the popular dive comps, but in solo queue winning your lane is a big deal. As someone who has a lot of experience with trist vs twitch, it is not at all difficult to DoT + auto and gtfo when he comes up to last hit. In order to trade on par with trist, he needs to be able to land the slow, a fairly slow moving skillshot that requires you to lead the target. As trist when meeting twitch with your e, you have the option to animation cancel forward for another auto (which would be in your favour) or taking a step back, making actually landing the slow fairly difficult. And that's just trading. With any high all-in potential support, the high base damage and 60% slow on trist's jump will murder twitch in any extended engages. This is a facitious example, because in a high level game engages would not allow an easy leona engage, but from level 3 onward trist leona would more or less one shot twitch. Any aggressive support for trist and a support that isn't alistar, janna or a nami who is incredibly mechanically skilled will be destroyed by trist's all in. There's a reason why trist is kog's traditional bot lane counter, and all of the same reasons (very high base damage vs low base health, no escape vs. 60% slow, better range from level 2 onward and better late game scaling) still apply to twitch. /tristana main | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On July 25 2013 11:56 Vanka wrote: As someone who has a lot of experience with trist vs twitch, it is not at all difficult to DoT + auto and gtfo when he comes up to last hit. In order to trade on par with trist, he needs to be able to land the slow, a fairly slow moving skillshot that requires you to lead the target. As trist when meeting twitch with your e, you have the option to animation cancel forward for another auto (which would be in your favour) or taking a step back, making actually landing the slow fairly difficult. And that's just trading. With any high all-in potential support, the high base damage and 60% slow on trist's jump will murder twitch in any extended engages. This is a facitious example, because in a high level game engages would not allow an easy leona engage, but from level 3 onward trist leona would more or less one shot twitch. Any aggressive support for trist and a support that isn't alistar, janna or a nami who is incredibly mechanically skilled will be destroyed by trist's all in. There's a reason why trist is kog's traditional bot lane counter, and all of the same reasons (very high base damage vs low base health, no escape vs. 60% slow, better range from level 2 onward and better late game scaling) still apply to twitch. /tristana main What do you mean by animation cancel forward auto? | ||
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upperbound
United States2300 Posts
On July 25 2013 11:52 Requizen wrote: I'm honestly not getting home at any reasonable hour tonight, we'll postpone until (hopefully) tomorrow. Depends if this shit continues to hit the fan or not. No problem man. Not sure what my schedule looks like for tomorrow but will let you know. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On July 25 2013 11:58 nafta wrote: Varus hasn't been nerfed wtf.They buffed him a long while ago and hasn't really been changed since.He should be strongest ad if vayne gets nerfed dunno what they are actually nerfing. They lowered the damage on E but buffed the damage on Q, kind of a lateral move, but made his damage a little easier to avoid in lane. Although arrows hurt :x | ||
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Ethelis
United States2400 Posts
On July 25 2013 11:58 nafta wrote: Varus hasn't been nerfed wtf.They buffed him a long while ago and hasn't really been changed since.He should be strongest ad if vayne gets nerfed dunno what they are actually nerfing. They took power from E and moved it to his Q, it's a nerf up til mid game in my book. edit: shen'd | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Vanka
China1336 Posts
On July 25 2013 11:57 Ketara wrote: What do you mean by animation cancel forward auto? err, just the standard always move in between autos. It's like kiting, but you go forward. Sorry if that was confusing. EDIT: for full clarity, I mean, you e+auto, then move forward and auto him again before disengaging/after you dodge his slow by moving forward. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On July 25 2013 12:02 nafta wrote: E nerf was minimal and q is so strong.Also they made his ulti hit even if it goes next to champions so that's a pretty big change. I guess, Q is still easier to dodge. It was nice because it did more damage and it's the easier skill to proc his passive with. Got the results it wanted, Varus picks went down but he's still seen. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On July 25 2013 11:52 Requizen wrote: I'm honestly not getting home at any reasonable hour tonight, we'll postpone until (hopefully) tomorrow. Depends if this shit continues to hit the fan or not. Booo. You should play a couple when you get home regardless...I don't go to sleep.  | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On July 25 2013 12:12 nafta wrote: Dunno I bought him after the changes and he became my best champ :D.Hitting q is not that hard honestly.And in teamfights even without charging it at all it deals pretty much same damage if not more than e(157+100% ad vs 205+60% ad).Maxing e is kinda pointless.Q is just better. It's not a hard skill shot to hit (it's very quick) but if your opponent is paying attention they should be able to dodge it. Although easier said than done I suppose. E max made more sense before the nerfs, Q max is an option now. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On July 25 2013 11:48 GTR wrote: which champions carry hard by themselves? trying to get out of bronze on oceania as it's a pain to play with them. Pantheon | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Corki's problem is that (like Vayne) he has no ability to attack past his normal AA range (until 6). Vayne makes up for that with the rest of her kit though. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On July 25 2013 12:31 johnnywup wrote: WHY DO PEOPLE FEED LANES HARDCORE WHEN THEY CALL THE LANE AND REFUSE TO DO ANYTHING ELSE FUCK FUCK FUCK I'M GOING TO RIP MY HAIR OUT @___@ I'm not usually one to point people to the QQ thread, but.... | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On July 25 2013 12:35 onlywonderboy wrote: I'm not usually one to point people to the QQ thread, but.... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=220361 You're not very good at pointing | ||
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