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Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
July 17 2013 21:54 GMT
#2481
Taken from the wiki:

Turret Range Base HP Base AD Gains 4 AD every: AD Caps at:
Outer Turret 775* 2550 152 1 min at each :40 second mark. 200
Fairy Tales when you're a child begin with "Once upon a time" and when you're an adult begin, "If elected I promise..."
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 21:57:11
July 17 2013 21:56 GMT
#2482
On July 18 2013 06:54 Ghost-z wrote:
Taken from the wiki:

Turret Range Base HP Base AD Gains 4 AD every: AD Caps at:
Outer Turret 775* 2550 152 1 min at each :40 second mark. 200


See, the problem with these numbers is that they imply it takes 2 turret hits + 2 autos to kill a melee minion at the start of the game when I know it's 2 turret hits + 1 auto (assuming a modest amount of bonus AD). Turrets have some hidden bonus damage vs minions.
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
July 17 2013 21:58 GMT
#2483
On July 18 2013 06:49 Sandster wrote:
pft. silver, plat, diamond, what's the difference, their borders are all the same color.


I'm only in silver because the teammates i get are holding me back #soloQproblems ......................
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
July 17 2013 22:05 GMT
#2484
On July 18 2013 06:56 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 06:54 Ghost-z wrote:
Taken from the wiki:

Turret Range Base HP Base AD Gains 4 AD every: AD Caps at:
Outer Turret 775* 2550 152 1 min at each :40 second mark. 200


See, the problem with these numbers is that they imply it takes 2 turret hits + 2 autos to kill a melee minion at the start of the game when I know it's 2 turret hits + 1 auto (assuming a modest amount of bonus AD). Turrets have some hidden bonus damage vs minions.

I want to say the number is 30% increased damage to minions but I have no source to back that up.
Fairy Tales when you're a child begin with "Once upon a time" and when you're an adult begin, "If elected I promise..."
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 17 2013 22:18 GMT
#2485
On July 18 2013 06:07 AsmodeusXI wrote:
First game today, first ban Udyr. WELP I SEE HOW IT IS.

Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 06:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 18 2013 06:05 nafta wrote:
Since marksmen are supposed to be long range is sivir a markswoman?

Is ezreal a marksfab?

Does this make Kennen a marksyordle? I mean it only makes sense, since he puts on marks of storm.
Also; if Quinn is a markswoman, what does that make Valor?


Marksbirdy.

Our team tried its best Dig impersonation (we failed: it was people getting greedy for kills or getting caught for no reason or slpitpushing under enemy inhib tower 1v4, but every baron we took was uncontested ) but the enemy team had an Udyr jungle, so we won.
Tigerdyr with dblade into golem spirit + cutlass + boots doesn't work well when stll haven't done red buff at the 5th minute and are level 4 at your 2nd blue spawn (and dies as soon as you kill it because I warded it).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 22:38:13
July 17 2013 22:36 GMT
#2486
On July 18 2013 05:57 sob3k wrote:
Markspeople

lets not be sexist here

It's "Marksmen" in the same way the Alan Moore graphic novel is "Watchmen" and not "Watchpeople".

On July 18 2013 06:28 Shelke14 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 06:26 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 18 2013 06:26 ComaDose wrote:
to me marksman means someone who aims well, so only ranged attack damage champions with skill shots qualify

Lux? I mean you can build her AD; and she is all skill shots.


Coma might be onto something. New meta, Lux AD carry.

Lux Passive actually procs Muramana, so...
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 22:42:36
July 17 2013 22:39 GMT
#2487
Soon genja will become the ultimate marksman support.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 17 2013 22:45 GMT
#2488
On July 18 2013 07:36 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 05:57 sob3k wrote:
Markspeople

lets not be sexist here

It's "Marksmen" in the same way the Alan Moore graphic novel is "Watchmen" and not "Watchpeople".

Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 06:28 Shelke14 wrote:
On July 18 2013 06:26 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 18 2013 06:26 ComaDose wrote:
to me marksman means someone who aims well, so only ranged attack damage champions with skill shots qualify

Lux? I mean you can build her AD; and she is all skill shots.


Coma might be onto something. New meta, Lux AD carry.

Lux Passive actually procs Muramana, so...

Yango confirmed for 20th century sexist.
liftlift > tsm
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
July 17 2013 22:54 GMT
#2489
On July 18 2013 07:45 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 07:36 TheYango wrote:
On July 18 2013 05:57 sob3k wrote:
Markspeople

lets not be sexist here

It's "Marksmen" in the same way the Alan Moore graphic novel is "Watchmen" and not "Watchpeople".

On July 18 2013 06:28 Shelke14 wrote:
On July 18 2013 06:26 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 18 2013 06:26 ComaDose wrote:
to me marksman means someone who aims well, so only ranged attack damage champions with skill shots qualify

Lux? I mean you can build her AD; and she is all skill shots.


Coma might be onto something. New meta, Lux AD carry.

Lux Passive actually procs Muramana, so...

Yango confirmed for 20th century sexist.


Now I have to try this.

Dorans - tear - Boots - BT - shiv (?? Or PD) - GA


Will report back with results
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
July 17 2013 22:59 GMT
#2490
On July 18 2013 07:36 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 05:57 sob3k wrote:
Markspeople

lets not be sexist here

It's "Marksmen" in the same way the Alan Moore graphic novel is "Watchmen" and not "Watchpeople".

Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 06:28 Shelke14 wrote:
On July 18 2013 06:26 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 18 2013 06:26 ComaDose wrote:
to me marksman means someone who aims well, so only ranged attack damage champions with skill shots qualify

Lux? I mean you can build her AD; and she is all skill shots.


Coma might be onto something. New meta, Lux AD carry.

Lux Passive actually procs Muramana, so...

Counter Bruiser Bruiser Lux!
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
July 17 2013 23:16 GMT
#2491
On July 18 2013 06:42 remedium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 06:38 oZe wrote:
On July 18 2013 06:15 Shelke14 wrote:
On July 18 2013 06:13 Slayer91 wrote:
On July 18 2013 06:12 Shelke14 wrote:
On July 18 2013 06:07 AsmodeusXI wrote:
First game today, first ban Udyr. WELP I SEE HOW IT IS.

On July 18 2013 06:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 18 2013 06:05 nafta wrote:
Since marksmen are supposed to be long range is sivir a markswoman?

Is ezreal a marksfab?

Does this make Kennen a marksyordle? I mean it only makes sense, since he puts on marks of storm.
Also; if Quinn is a markswoman, what does that make Valor?


Marksbirdy.


I think it is a safe bet that people will be banning Udyr not because of how good the champ can be but because of all the people just wanting to play with the new skin and sucking ass at it...


thats a shitty reason since statisically the enemy etam is more likely to pick him


It is kind of like the theory of when Morg and amumu were 100 percent banned back in the day because everyone in lower ELO thought they were OP/IMBA and then when they weren't banned people would spam to get them, then go 0/8 because they actually have no idea how to play them.



Amumu is still 95-99% banned in low elo and if not banned team who gets him wins like 80%+. Almost every game bans are amumu, malphite,kassadin & blitzcrank. A lot of shen and aatrox bans. Darius has gotten off the must ban list it seems ^^


Erm...

http://www.lolking.net/champions/amumu&region=all&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=silver#statistics


Mumu doesn't get banned much in Silver, there are times when people freak out about him not being banned or picked but it's not as often as in Bronze league I think. When I play normals with friends I can always tell a player is bronze league when he bans Amumu, Shen and Malphite.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 23:21:47
July 17 2013 23:21 GMT
#2492
On July 18 2013 06:58 Shelke14 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 06:49 Sandster wrote:
pft. silver, plat, diamond, what's the difference, their borders are all the same color.


I'm only in silver because the teammates i get are holding me back #soloQproblems ......................


There've been a couple people on this forum that I've seen say they're bronze/silver with friends who are in diamond and do just fine when they duo. Not sure what you'd get placed against.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 23:26:43
July 17 2013 23:26 GMT
#2493
Tolkien biggest sexist for calling humankind "Men"
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
July 17 2013 23:27 GMT
#2494
On July 18 2013 08:21 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 06:58 Shelke14 wrote:
On July 18 2013 06:49 Sandster wrote:
pft. silver, plat, diamond, what's the difference, their borders are all the same color.


I'm only in silver because the teammates i get are holding me back #soloQproblems ......................


There've been a couple people on this forum that I've seen say they're bronze/silver with friends who are in diamond and do just fine when they duo. Not sure what you'd get placed against.


I was joking, was playing into the meta that everyone in silver is actually just a diamond in the rough but gets held back because of ELO hell solo Q scrubs feeding.... lol. I have tons of things I need to personally improve on. Trying to narrow down a few champs that can switch between roles (jungle, top, mid) and understand their trade potientals against matchups
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
July 17 2013 23:29 GMT
#2495
On July 18 2013 08:26 Scip wrote:
Tolkien biggest sexist for calling humankind "Men"

his-tory is ever gonna be the same.
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
July 17 2013 23:33 GMT
#2496
On July 17 2013 15:18 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 15:15 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On July 17 2013 14:34 arb wrote:
On July 17 2013 14:31 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 17 2013 13:57 Seuss wrote:
On July 17 2013 12:36 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 17 2013 08:04 kongoline wrote:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/25113-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-7-16-2013-shop
rofl the karma buffs are retarded


If they keep buffing Karma, I have a legitimate chance of making Diamond I.


For people on the fence about whether these are buffs or not, I can assure you they're definitely buffs.
  • Passive: It's a small buff perhaps, but still a relevant one (especially during laning).
  • Q: 15% extra slow at rank 5 is huge, as is 10% more slow when Mantra'd. Mantra Q's damage may all be backend now, but 0.2 additional AP ratio is nothing to sniff at (especially as it will be easier to land).
  • W: You'd need more than 6000 missing health and 500 AP for the current version to heal as much as the new version. The CD change is just icing on the cake.
  • E: The only nerf in this entire set of changes is the drop in Mantra E's damage scaling. Otherwise the shield given to allies is buffed (from 120 +0.25 AP to 175 +0.25 AP). Most importantly, it isn't based on E's rank, meaning you can go R>Q>W>E without sacrificing team utility.

Basically, it's all buffs. The only thing keeping Karma from being utterly amazing is that people aren't used to her playstyle, how to build her, or how to play with her.


Her Mantra'd E is a frikking Shurleya+ Locket.

You just farm hard and stack CDR over AP, then midgame you group and Mantra E and bash into the enemy team every 20 seconds with another big AOE/disable ult. You'll win fights through basically attrition and brute force.

She lacks the sheer burst of most AP carries, but IMHO its not a big deal. Picking up an Aegis pretty much negates the difference.

On July 17 2013 12:45 Zdrastochye wrote:
On July 17 2013 12:36 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 17 2013 08:04 kongoline wrote:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/25113-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-7-16-2013-shop
rofl the karma buffs are retarded


If they keep buffing Karma, I have a legitimate chance of making Diamond I.

EDIT:
Dominion, TT - Moonflair Spellbade (Ranged Only)
Now has (Ranged only) tag
Now gives 50 armor
Now gives 50 MR


Swords are ranged-only. Makes sense to me.


SPELLblade, didn't you ever play WoW? Spellblade's always been caster weapons, scrub.


Never played that game.

Still don't understand why a sword is a ranged only weapon.

Traditionally in WoW Swords/Daggers were caster weapons that were basically only there for stats, which is the case of this one.

It was wands for casters that were considered stat sticks, since the designed the game around not actually needing to use wands. For melee classes bows/xbows/thrown were stat sticks because you didn't actually need to use them. Which is interesting because they decided that having to use wands/xbows was not fun.

Actually wanding was needed in Vanilla atleast, not sure about BC, since you had to wand when you ran out of mana, while you waited on it to regen.

Daggers and swords were also stat sticks, since for example they would have something like 28-126 damage, for a caster, where as a dps dagger w ould be something more like 120-150 or something for a rogue or whatever.

tldr, basically unless you were a rogue/warrior/paladin whatever, wands/daggers or swords were all basically stat sticks.


Well you didn't wand in raids, but wand spec was sick for levelling priests.
@miicah88
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
July 17 2013 23:37 GMT
#2497
On July 18 2013 08:27 Shelke14 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 08:21 Ketara wrote:
On July 18 2013 06:58 Shelke14 wrote:
On July 18 2013 06:49 Sandster wrote:
pft. silver, plat, diamond, what's the difference, their borders are all the same color.


I'm only in silver because the teammates i get are holding me back #soloQproblems ......................


There've been a couple people on this forum that I've seen say they're bronze/silver with friends who are in diamond and do just fine when they duo. Not sure what you'd get placed against.


I was joking, was playing into the meta that everyone in silver is actually just a diamond in the rough but gets held back because of ELO hell solo Q scrubs feeding.... lol. I have tons of things I need to personally improve on. Trying to narrow down a few champs that can switch between roles (jungle, top, mid) and understand their trade potientals against matchups


There have been a couple people who have legit said they do that though, it's always pretty funny.

I think it's always in a duo bot lane, so maybe the higher level player just tells the lower level player what to do all the time and that's why it works.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
July 17 2013 23:39 GMT
#2498
Phew... That article took forever to format. Mad respect to JBright and other graphics people. Shoutout to necrosed and Philip for making the BR scene awesome.
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
July 17 2013 23:40 GMT
#2499
On July 18 2013 08:16 Zhiroo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 06:42 remedium wrote:
On July 18 2013 06:38 oZe wrote:
On July 18 2013 06:15 Shelke14 wrote:
On July 18 2013 06:13 Slayer91 wrote:
On July 18 2013 06:12 Shelke14 wrote:
On July 18 2013 06:07 AsmodeusXI wrote:
First game today, first ban Udyr. WELP I SEE HOW IT IS.

On July 18 2013 06:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 18 2013 06:05 nafta wrote:
Since marksmen are supposed to be long range is sivir a markswoman?

Is ezreal a marksfab?

Does this make Kennen a marksyordle? I mean it only makes sense, since he puts on marks of storm.
Also; if Quinn is a markswoman, what does that make Valor?


Marksbirdy.


I think it is a safe bet that people will be banning Udyr not because of how good the champ can be but because of all the people just wanting to play with the new skin and sucking ass at it...


thats a shitty reason since statisically the enemy etam is more likely to pick him


It is kind of like the theory of when Morg and amumu were 100 percent banned back in the day because everyone in lower ELO thought they were OP/IMBA and then when they weren't banned people would spam to get them, then go 0/8 because they actually have no idea how to play them.



Amumu is still 95-99% banned in low elo and if not banned team who gets him wins like 80%+. Almost every game bans are amumu, malphite,kassadin & blitzcrank. A lot of shen and aatrox bans. Darius has gotten off the must ban list it seems ^^


Erm...

http://www.lolking.net/champions/amumu&region=all&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=silver#statistics


Mumu doesn't get banned much in Silver, there are times when people freak out about him not being banned or picked but it's not as often as in Bronze league I think. When I play normals with friends I can always tell a player is bronze league when he bans Amumu, Shen and Malphite.


I wish I played in the silver you do.

On July 18 2013 08:29 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 08:26 Scip wrote:
Tolkien biggest sexist for calling humankind "Men"

his-tory is ever gonna be the same.


Why can't they be herstration and heropause. We have nothing to do with it!
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
July 17 2013 23:48 GMT
#2500
On July 18 2013 06:42 FinestHour wrote:
is that article on p4r about league being an olympic sport real

nope
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