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kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
July 17 2013 18:47 GMT
#2401
On July 18 2013 03:42 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Cata was a massive disappointment. They said there would be 4 raid tiers, there were 3. They designed about half as many bosses as all the other expansions. Include how shitty Diablo 3 and SC2 are, I never plan on buying another Blizzard game because it's obvious they are trying to cash in on their name and franchises.

Although I'm with you on how terrible SC2 is, and I've never played D3/WoW, I don't know if I'd agree that they're trying to cash in just because their game design is bad.

Sometimes, good design can be accidental.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 17 2013 18:53 GMT
#2402
They just a different company. Personally I never realised that until recentely(Diablo 3/SC2). The charm is gone and what's left is indecisive game design that doesn't really help anyone. I think they must have redid the core of D3's gameplay at least 5 times. It's just what happens when you get a fuckton of money and given tons of space. You don't have to do accidental genius moments to solve issues you don't have enough time to solve properly. Most of the charm of their old games luck caused by shortcuts due to time constraints.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
July 17 2013 18:54 GMT
#2403
On July 18 2013 03:47 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 03:42 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Cata was a massive disappointment. They said there would be 4 raid tiers, there were 3. They designed about half as many bosses as all the other expansions. Include how shitty Diablo 3 and SC2 are, I never plan on buying another Blizzard game because it's obvious they are trying to cash in on their name and franchises.

Although I'm with you on how terrible SC2 is, and I've never played D3/WoW, I don't know if I'd agree that they're trying to cash in just because their game design is bad.

Sometimes, good design can be accidental.

M Night Shaymalan making one good movie is a fluke(The 6th Sense, though Signs and Unbreakable are considered ok movies, they were never as good as 6th Sense).

Blizzard making 4 good games isn't (Warcraft 3, WoW, Diablo 2, SC:BW).
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
July 17 2013 18:55 GMT
#2404
On July 18 2013 03:54 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 03:47 kainzero wrote:
On July 18 2013 03:42 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Cata was a massive disappointment. They said there would be 4 raid tiers, there were 3. They designed about half as many bosses as all the other expansions. Include how shitty Diablo 3 and SC2 are, I never plan on buying another Blizzard game because it's obvious they are trying to cash in on their name and franchises.

Although I'm with you on how terrible SC2 is, and I've never played D3/WoW, I don't know if I'd agree that they're trying to cash in just because their game design is bad.

Sometimes, good design can be accidental.

M Night Shaymalan making one good movie is a fluke(The 6th Sense, though Signs and Unbreakable are considered ok movies, they were never as good as 6th Sense).

Blizzard making 4 good games isn't (Warcraft 3, WoW, Diablo 2, SC:BW).

I thought Unbreakable was pretty well regarded. But that and 6th Sense are the only good ones imo haha.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 17 2013 18:58 GMT
#2405
On July 18 2013 03:54 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Blizzard making 4 good games isn't (Warcraft 3, WoW, Diablo 2, SC:BW).

Leaving out War2 and D1?
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 17 2013 18:59 GMT
#2406
On July 18 2013 03:54 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 03:47 kainzero wrote:
On July 18 2013 03:42 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Cata was a massive disappointment. They said there would be 4 raid tiers, there were 3. They designed about half as many bosses as all the other expansions. Include how shitty Diablo 3 and SC2 are, I never plan on buying another Blizzard game because it's obvious they are trying to cash in on their name and franchises.

Although I'm with you on how terrible SC2 is, and I've never played D3/WoW, I don't know if I'd agree that they're trying to cash in just because their game design is bad.

Sometimes, good design can be accidental.

M Night Shaymalan making one good movie is a fluke(The 6th Sense, though Signs and Unbreakable are considered ok movies, they were never as good as 6th Sense).

Blizzard making 4 good games isn't (Warcraft 3, WoW, Diablo 2, SC:BW).


Dunno how others feel but everything after wotlk is kind of meh to me.The only reason I played sc2 was because there was literally nothing else AND it was the only popular rts.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 19:03:31
July 17 2013 19:02 GMT
#2407
On July 18 2013 03:58 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 03:54 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Blizzard making 4 good games isn't (Warcraft 3, WoW, Diablo 2, SC:BW).

Leaving out War2 and D1?


I can't say how good D1 was since I was pretty fucking young back then but War2 was awesome. I'd say more awesome than War3 it's just that war3 did something no one else did and allowed a whole new genre to spawn. Without War3 we wouldn't have this subforum lol.

edit: I thought Cata did a lot right that wasn't quite evident in the late game play. They made early leveling a lot more fluid and questing a decent experience. Just the rest was a bit meh
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 19:13:32
July 17 2013 19:11 GMT
#2408
I'm not saying Blizzard's games are flukes, but that sometimes there's a little luck when it comes to game design, especially when it comes to good games vs. great games, even more so if there's a multiplayer element when some of the strangest emergent gameplay comes out.

(Arguably, Lost Vikings, Rock 'n Roll Racing, and Blackthorne were good games, but I don't know if I would consider them classics or great, and they certainly don't live up to the aforementioned PC games).
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35146 Posts
July 17 2013 19:11 GMT
#2409
On July 18 2013 03:58 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 03:54 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Blizzard making 4 good games isn't (Warcraft 3, WoW, Diablo 2, SC:BW).

Leaving out War2 and D1?

Lost Vikings series, Blackthorne, and Rock n' Roll Racing would like to have a word.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 17 2013 19:14 GMT
#2410
On July 18 2013 04:11 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 03:58 TheYango wrote:
On July 18 2013 03:54 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Blizzard making 4 good games isn't (Warcraft 3, WoW, Diablo 2, SC:BW).

Leaving out War2 and D1?

Lost Vikings series, Blackthorne, and Rock n' Roll Racing would like to have a word.


Not everyone has grandkids.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 19:16:07
July 17 2013 19:15 GMT
#2411
D1 was fantastic honestly.
Nothing at all like D2 really, D1 was a true horror game, not a hack-and-slash at its core.

Not to say D2 was bad, D2 was amazing as well, but for different reasons than D1.
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Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 19:16:32
July 17 2013 19:15 GMT
#2412
How can we talk about good Blizzard games and not mention the Lost Vikings games? Not that those serve as a counterpoint to Blizzards much more broad-appeal style design of late, but they were/are awesome.

Edit: Nevermind we did mention them. I blame trying to find particular clips on youtube.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 19:20:37
July 17 2013 19:20 GMT
#2413
On July 18 2013 03:58 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 03:54 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Blizzard making 4 good games isn't (Warcraft 3, WoW, Diablo 2, SC:BW).

Leaving out War2 and D1?

The Lost Vikings?

Snap I'm late.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 17 2013 19:22 GMT
#2414
HEY GUYS WHAT ABOUT LOST VIKINGS
It's your boy Guzma!
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 17 2013 19:22 GMT
#2415
--- Nuked ---
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
July 17 2013 19:24 GMT
#2416
Clearly, it's Pokemon time.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 17 2013 19:25 GMT
#2417
B-but we do that all the time with Pokemon!

(On-topic then, Shyvana with lane farm and stuff like BotRK, IBG, Wit's is fucking scary with through-the-roof damage while being resilient enough to fight off several people at once in dragon form. Since I was doing scrub-level with Talon I was basically the "tank", drawing aggro and cc on me, doing no damage while Shyv went wild. :< )
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 17 2013 19:28 GMT
#2418
On July 18 2013 04:25 Alaric wrote:
B-but we do that all the time with Pokemon!

(On-topic then, Shyvana with lane farm and stuff like BotRK, IBG, Wit's is fucking scary with through-the-roof damage while being resilient enough to fight off several people at once in dragon form. Since I was doing scrub-level with Talon I was basically the "tank", drawing aggro and cc on me, doing no damage while Shyv went wild. :< )

Yeah but Shyv is weak to Lulu and probably Rammus and Malphite.
It's your boy Guzma!
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
July 17 2013 19:31 GMT
#2419
I know we have a lot of dissenting opinions on the off-topic nature of this forum, but it's not like it takes away from the LoL discussion. If there hadn't been the tangent on WoW the thread would have just been dead during that period of time, we didn't lose talk about LoL. I guess I just like when the forum is active.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 17 2013 19:35 GMT
#2420
On July 18 2013 04:28 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 04:25 Alaric wrote:
B-but we do that all the time with Pokemon!

(On-topic then, Shyvana with lane farm and stuff like BotRK, IBG, Wit's is fucking scary with through-the-roof damage while being resilient enough to fight off several people at once in dragon form. Since I was doing scrub-level with Talon I was basically the "tank", drawing aggro and cc on me, doing no damage while Shyv went wild. :< )

Yeah but Shyv is weak to Lulu and probably Rammus and Malphite.

Why would Rammus be a fairy? ôo
Or because of Rock > Flying?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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