[Patch 3.09: Spirit Guard Udyr Patch] General Discussion -…

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

July 17 2013 17:04 GMT

#2361

Well most of the difficulty in old WoW came down to actually having like minded people. Is that really difficulty? I guess it is in a way but it isn't really a game related skill. Vanila raids were hard mechanically or strategically but 40 people is pretty hard to both find and co-ordinate.

qanik

Denmark1899 Posts

July 17 2013 17:04 GMT

#2362

Wow, could Morello come up with a worse name for adc? probably not.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

July 17 2013 17:06 GMT

#2363

On July 18 2013 02:04 qanik wrote:
Wow, could Morello come up with a worse name for adc? probably not.

"Right click to win champions"

Slaughter

United States20254 Posts

July 17 2013 17:07 GMT

#2364

On July 18 2013 02:00 Requizen wrote:

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On July 18 2013 01:51 Slayer91 wrote:

On July 18 2013 01:48 Duvon wrote:

On July 18 2013 01:26 Slayer91 wrote:
LOL u guys acting as if i actually have ANY udyr skins

On July 18 2013 00:52 cLutZ wrote:

On July 18 2013 00:15 Seuss wrote:

On July 17 2013 23:32 Numy wrote:

On July 17 2013 23:22 sylverfyre wrote:

On July 17 2013 22:55 Requizen wrote:

On July 17 2013 22:52 mr_tolkien wrote:
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Developping a full MMO takes times and lots of money.

They would have started by now if it was their goal.

MMOs as a genre seem to be dying out. WoW has been dwindling, GW2 never seemed to have much follow through, and I think the Star Wars one died.

Destiny will save the genre tho.

On July 17 2013 22:46 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Im actually considering banning Udyr, so many horrible players just want to show of the skin in my ranked games

Ah PFE days, how I've missed you.

Subscription MMOs may be dying out, but there are a lot of mid-sized F2P MMOs that are having a lot of success out there.

I would not be surprised at all if Riot has got a second project already going, they certainly have the manpower, time, and money to attempt it, whether it be an MMO or something else. If it is set on Runeterra, that will make me even happier.

I think part of the problems with MMO these days is that when WoW came out there was no real precedent of large end game content. There were mainly sandbox games(Ultima online) that had that kind of content. So when WoW came out noone really harped on it for lacking that aspect of the game when it got gradually added each patch cycle. Now days when MMOs come out and don't really have a lot of end game content they get quickly forgotten so it's that much harder to actually make a sustainable MMO.

People don't want the incomplete experience that was acceptable before.

Part of the problem is that new MMO devs learned the wrong lessons from WoW. For the past few years WoW has been entirely focused on becoming more accessible whether it's raiding, leveling, or whatever. That's fine for WoW because it's a very well established MMO, but doing the same thing for new MMOs is suicide. You need your initial launch content, both leveling and end-game, to last until you can get to the point where you're teasing the next big wave of content. Every single MMO launch I've seen since WoW has failed to do that.

The other key thing to remember is that you don't need to have 10 million players at launch. You don't even need 2 million. What you need is a game that will retain hundreds of thousands of players long enough for them to get excited and tell their friends they need to pick up the game. Then they get excited and tell their friends, and so on and so forth. It's really, really hard to get this right, which is why essentially no one has since WoW.

Exactly this.

I was not a big raider when Vanilla WoW came out, I was like a really slow learner/leveler/etc and would do every quest, always try to get into groups for the ridiculously hard (and terribly unrewarding) lvl 30-40 dungeons like Razorfen or Maradon. And finally petered to lvl 60 around the time when they released BWL. And didn't get into raiding with strong people until the "War Effort" event for the Bugs.

TBC was also like this. Gearing up for raids meant you had to go to regular dungeons. Then you could go to some parts of Kara + Heroics (often ridiculously hard and unrewarding) and had to do a bunch of weird hoop jumping to get into some of the raids like SSC and Kael (who you couldn't beat anyways). Then by the time the Illidan patch comes out, Still like 95% of raiders couldn't even get to him.

lol@calling RFD and Maradon "ridiculously hard" clearly you just has nostalgia glasses because I remember 2 handed tanking RDF by just whirlwind spamming and rapestroying everything in there and maradon's main difficulty was me getting lost in it I think.
I mean I wasn't a bad player, I read up a lot on how to tank etc but I had never played any mmo before or anything and found them fun but pretty easy.

I found the level 80 raids (since i stopped playing for quite a bit after i hit 60 in vanilla) much much much harder relatively.

i think you're just super nostalgic because WoW was such a pioneer, i know people who did raid the 60 and 70 content and said the only reason everyone thought it was so hard was because nobody was used to that sort of thing.
(except the super high level 70 raids but remember 95% of LoL players are like silver or lower so keep that in mind before using statistics)

RFD wasn't that bad indeed, but Maradon (5 levels of difference from start to end) and BRD (just. so. big.) were, at least if you didn't know a lot of people, the hard part was oftentimes getting 5 people to get to the middle of nowhere and get them to stay motivated for 1-2 hours...

really wasnt that hard during peak wow time
mainly because it was really easy to replace a dps and as a tank only the healer could fuck me up

It wasn't easy to do shit in old WoW. You want to replace a dps? I hope one is on and nearby in your guild and they want to help otherwise you run your ass back to Org (no flying mounts remember), ask around, wait, find one, run all the way back, and hope no one else in your party got bored and left.

LFG dumbed down a lot of things, but I still thank fuck for it.

Thats why it was always good to have a Warlock :D

Gahlo

United States35172 Posts

July 17 2013 17:11 GMT

#2365

On July 18 2013 02:04 qanik wrote:
Wow, could Morello come up with a worse name for adc? probably not.

I like it. Then again, I was a Marksman Hunter in WoW, so take it for what it is. lol

XaCez

Sweden6991 Posts

July 17 2013 17:12 GMT

#2366

Kog'Maw is a marksman, that makes perfect sense.

ticklishmusic

United States15977 Posts

July 17 2013 17:14 GMT

#2367

How about autoattack-dependent-glass-cannon-ranged-champion-who-scales-with-items. We can call them ADGCRCWSWI for short.

Argoth.

Germany1961 Posts

July 17 2013 17:15 GMT

#2368

Holy shit that comic is epic!

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

July 17 2013 17:18 GMT

#2369

On July 18 2013 02:14 ticklishmusic wrote:
How about autoattack-dependent-glass-cannon-ranged-champion-who-scales-with-items. We can call them ADGCRCWSWI for short.

I like Attack Damage Bitch Till Late Game I Guess. ADBTLGIG

canucks12

Canada812 Posts

July 17 2013 17:22 GMT

#2370

I spent weeks smashing my face into the Kael, Vashj, Reliquary, etc. fights, and they were fun. Then you have sunwell where even Kalecgos, the first boss, was extremely difficult. Why was Archimonde so unmemorable as a final raid boss? Because he was significantly easier than any of the others.

After TBC all of the fights just seemed easier and less rewarding, even Arthas...
I'd go so far as to call normal Botanica harder than some of the entire newer raids.

arb

Noobville17922 Posts

July 17 2013 17:25 GMT

#2371

On July 18 2013 02:12 XaCez wrote:
Kog'Maw is a marksman, that makes perfect sense.

Takes skill to shoot spit that far with that good of accuracy!

XaCez

Sweden6991 Posts

July 17 2013 17:26 GMT

#2372

On July 18 2013 02:22 canucks12 wrote:
After TBC all of the fights just seemed easier and less rewarding, even Arthas...
I'd go so far as to call normal Botanica harder than some of the entire newer raids.

Damn I spent so much time getting Badges in Botanica. Think I went there daily for a full a month.

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

July 17 2013 17:30 GMT

#2373

On July 18 2013 02:22 canucks12 wrote:
I spent weeks smashing my face into the Kael, Vashj, Reliquary, etc. fights, and they were fun. Then you have sunwell where even Kalecgos, the first boss, was extremely difficult. Why was Archimonde so unmemorable as a final raid boss? Because he was significantly easier than any of the others.

After TBC all of the fights just seemed easier and less rewarding, even Arthas...
I'd go so far as to call normal Botanica harder than some of the entire newer raids.

I still feel like Ulduar was the best crafted Raid they have ever made. It might not have been the hardest overall but it had such character and choice not to mention the tie in with the zone was really cool. Yogg+1(Or was it +0) was awesome and so was the firefighter boss

Diamond

United States10796 Posts

July 17 2013 17:33 GMT

#2374

With this "Marksmen" change can we rename junglers to "Men & Woman of the Forest". Seems to fit their theme much better.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

July 17 2013 17:33 GMT

#2375

Really; marksmen? really...
how obtuse.

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

July 17 2013 17:37 GMT

#2376

On July 18 2013 02:30 Numy wrote:

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This.
100%.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

July 17 2013 17:38 GMT

#2377

On July 18 2013 02:37 WaveofShadow wrote:

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This.
100%.

I like how they followed up Ulduar with... Trial of the Crusader which was literally just a room with bosses. That was the point where they just kind of phoned it in for a while.

Mensol

14536 Posts

July 17 2013 17:38 GMT

#2378

That udyr comic is awesome.

gj gj riot.

Amui

Canada10567 Posts

July 17 2013 17:39 GMT

#2379

On July 18 2013 02:30 Numy wrote:

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I loved firefighter and yogg+0(alone in the darkness). I have my ulduar protodrake :D

Sponkz

Denmark4564 Posts

July 17 2013 17:39 GMT

#2380

At the end of Wotlk, Paragon (first guild to achieve fully cleared content being the first to kill LK 25-man heroic with the 5% buff) rated all the bosses like this.

1. LK 25-man heroic with 5% buff (was buffed to 10% buff the week after they did it)
2. 4 horsemen in Vanilla Naxx
3. Alone in the darkness (Yogg+0)

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