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c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 19:37:35
July 17 2013 19:36 GMT
#2421
On July 18 2013 04:28 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 04:25 Alaric wrote:
B-but we do that all the time with Pokemon!

(On-topic then, Shyvana with lane farm and stuff like BotRK, IBG, Wit's is fucking scary with through-the-roof damage while being resilient enough to fight off several people at once in dragon form. Since I was doing scrub-level with Talon I was basically the "tank", drawing aggro and cc on me, doing no damage while Shyv went wild. :< )

Yeah but Shyv is weak to Lulu and probably Rammus and Malphite.


Her matchups against Lissandra, Jayce, Elise, and Vayne are pretty brutal too

edit: oh word I wooshed hard... I think
canucks12
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada812 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 19:44:04
July 17 2013 19:38 GMT
#2422
On July 18 2013 04:35 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 04:28 Requizen wrote:
On July 18 2013 04:25 Alaric wrote:
B-but we do that all the time with Pokemon!

(On-topic then, Shyvana with lane farm and stuff like BotRK, IBG, Wit's is fucking scary with through-the-roof damage while being resilient enough to fight off several people at once in dragon form. Since I was doing scrub-level with Talon I was basically the "tank", drawing aggro and cc on me, doing no damage while Shyv went wild. :< )

Yeah but Shyv is weak to Lulu and probably Rammus and Malphite.

Why would Rammus be a fairy? ôo
Or because of Rock > Flying?


In which case shouldn't Kha6 be the true counter to Shyv?

I feel like the cool thing about this thread, and forum, is that its just as much about the people posting as it is the game itself.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 17 2013 19:39 GMT
#2423
On July 18 2013 03:05 captharlock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 02:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh FUCK Illidari Council.
I absolutely HATED that fight.
BT fights were pretty awesome overall though, hell almost all of BC was pretty great.


Why the hate on illidari council. That fight was like the Super Bowl of how not to stand in stuff back then.

Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 02:51 arb wrote:
Truthfully once they nerfed Firelands way before DS came out, even nerfing heroic fights i quit the game.
Was one of my favorite raids out of all of them though.


Firelands wasn't that bad. It was probably the best raid in Cata. I stopped play right after DS came out and I hated DS it just felt underwhelming.

Cata was a whole wasn't really that good in my opinion. Overall I think that BC was the best expansion.

Yes I mean it was the best raid in the expansion! Just they nerfed the modes prematurely(like a few weeks after release wtf?) It was my favorite expansion though.

Rag/Chogall/Nef were my favorite fights in the entire expansion though
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 19:42:11
July 17 2013 19:41 GMT
#2424
On July 18 2013 04:35 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 04:28 Requizen wrote:
On July 18 2013 04:25 Alaric wrote:
B-but we do that all the time with Pokemon!

(On-topic then, Shyvana with lane farm and stuff like BotRK, IBG, Wit's is fucking scary with through-the-roof damage while being resilient enough to fight off several people at once in dragon form. Since I was doing scrub-level with Talon I was basically the "tank", drawing aggro and cc on me, doing no damage while Shyv went wild. :< )

Yeah but Shyv is weak to Lulu and probably Rammus and Malphite.

Why would Rammus be a fairy? ôo
Or because of Rock > Flying?

Rammus is clearly a ground type.+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


On July 18 2013 04:38 canucks12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 04:35 Alaric wrote:
On July 18 2013 04:28 Requizen wrote:
On July 18 2013 04:25 Alaric wrote:
B-but we do that all the time with Pokemon!

(On-topic then, Shyvana with lane farm and stuff like BotRK, IBG, Wit's is fucking scary with through-the-roof damage while being resilient enough to fight off several people at once in dragon form. Since I was doing scrub-level with Talon I was basically the "tank", drawing aggro and cc on me, doing no damage while Shyv went wild. :< )

Yeah but Shyv is weak to Lulu and probably Rammus and Malphite.

Why would Rammus be a fairy? ôo
Or because of Rock > Flying?


In which case shouldn't Kha6 be the true counter to Shyv?

Bug/Flying > Dragon/Fire? Come on dude.
It's your boy Guzma!
Mauzel
Profile Joined December 2009
United States421 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 19:43:24
July 17 2013 19:42 GMT
#2425
Ashe has my best winrate I think (something like 70%)

I don't even know why. Whenever I pick her I fail in lane and go like 0-6-0 and buy brutalizer because fuck it I can't afford anything else and then somehow win the game later randomly.

I like to think it's because my lategame decision making / teamfighting is really good but it's probably just because I act like a global taunt so mid and top get lots of farm and then I just play support ashe throwing out arrows randomly (CDR => more arrows! brutalizer ashe op)

Edit: Khazix is clearly Bug/Dark
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 17 2013 19:44 GMT
#2426
On July 18 2013 04:31 onlywonderboy wrote:
I know we have a lot of dissenting opinions on the off-topic nature of this forum, but it's not like it takes away from the LoL discussion. If there hadn't been the tangent on WoW the thread would have just been dead during that period of time, we didn't lose talk about LoL. I guess I just like when the forum is active.

I agree completely. Never played wow. Only played pokemon casually, and haven't played MtG since 9th edition. But I still find the discussions rather interesting.
liftlift > tsm
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 19:49:54
July 17 2013 19:47 GMT
#2427
People forget the original GD thread for this subforum was called "General Discussion/Off-topic". The only reason the off-topic part was shaved off was because when we prepend the patch name/number it becomes hard to reasonably fit that into the title.

So off-topic discussion is fair game.

EDIT: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=166123&currentpage=2#33

Off-topic spam has the NeoIllusions seal of approval, see?
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 19:52:14
July 17 2013 19:49 GMT
#2428
On July 18 2013 04:42 Mauzel wrote:
Ashe has my best winrate I think (something like 70%)

I don't even know why. Whenever I pick her I fail in lane and go like 0-6-0 and buy brutalizer because fuck it I can't afford anything else and then somehow win the game later randomly.

I like to think it's because my lategame decision making / teamfighting is really good but it's probably just because I act like a global taunt so mid and top get lots of farm and then I just play support ashe throwing out arrows randomly (CDR => more arrows! brutalizer ashe op)

Edit: Khazix is clearly Bug/Dark


ashe is amazing in low-elo solo queue because arrow is like the game's great equalizer. you can count on the enemy 6-item carry to be farming in the middle of some pushed lane for no reason in like 90% of cases, so just arrowing down a lane will net your teammates kills -> you push for objectives. when i'm stuck on support and don't want to play rengar, i play a lot of ashe simply for this reason.

and yeah khazix is bug/dark (mecha khazix bug/steel)
skarner rock/bug
rengar dark
riven fighting
teemo poison
shyvana fire/dragon seems right
ashe ice
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 17 2013 19:50 GMT
#2429
But we still have on topic discussions all the time. For example, we love to talk about whether one should run flat damage or penetration runes.
It's your boy Guzma!
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 17 2013 19:52 GMT
#2430
I apologize if people are angry around the off topic discussion. Let's just say I'm not slightly drunk and nostalgic about the good times. This community is the most open and welcoming around so felt like the place to get a bit off topic
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
July 17 2013 19:53 GMT
#2431
On July 18 2013 04:50 Requizen wrote:
But we still have on topic discussions all the time. For example, we love to talk about whether one should run flat damage or penetration runes.

Or the value of GP10s.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Mauzel
Profile Joined December 2009
United States421 Posts
July 17 2013 19:54 GMT
#2432
On July 18 2013 04:49 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 04:42 Mauzel wrote:
Ashe has my best winrate I think (something like 70%)

I don't even know why. Whenever I pick her I fail in lane and go like 0-6-0 and buy brutalizer because fuck it I can't afford anything else and then somehow win the game later randomly.

I like to think it's because my lategame decision making / teamfighting is really good but it's probably just because I act like a global taunt so mid and top get lots of farm and then I just play support ashe throwing out arrows randomly (CDR => more arrows! brutalizer ashe op)

Edit: Khazix is clearly Bug/Dark


ashe is amazing in low-elo solo queue because arrow is like the game's great equalizer. you can count on the enemy 6-item carry to be farming in the middle of some pushed lane for no reason in like 90% of cases, so just arrowing down a lane will net your teammates kills -> you push for objectives. when i'm stuck on support and don't want to play rengar, i play a lot of ashe simply for this reason.

and yeah khazix is bug/dark (mecha khazix bug/steel)
skarner rock/bug
rengar dark
riven fighting
teemo poison
shyvana fire/dragon seems right
ashe ice


So wait... you play support Rengar?

I feel like Rengar and Ashe would be Normal type as well.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 19:59:42
July 17 2013 19:57 GMT
#2433
I don't think win percentage on a champion is a very good metric until at least 30 games.

There are so many times I thought I had a good champion because I had 80%, but that was just 8-2 and it would then equalize itself very quickly.

On July 18 2013 04:53 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 04:50 Requizen wrote:
But we still have on topic discussions all the time. For example, we love to talk about whether one should run flat damage or penetration runes.

Or the value of GP10s.

I think GP10 is actually worth discussing now, given that the discussion won't be "Should I get HoG on all positions?" but that it could be a very realistic discussion on supports.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 17 2013 19:58 GMT
#2434
On July 18 2013 04:54 Mauzel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 04:49 gtrsrs wrote:
On July 18 2013 04:42 Mauzel wrote:
Ashe has my best winrate I think (something like 70%)

I don't even know why. Whenever I pick her I fail in lane and go like 0-6-0 and buy brutalizer because fuck it I can't afford anything else and then somehow win the game later randomly.

I like to think it's because my lategame decision making / teamfighting is really good but it's probably just because I act like a global taunt so mid and top get lots of farm and then I just play support ashe throwing out arrows randomly (CDR => more arrows! brutalizer ashe op)

Edit: Khazix is clearly Bug/Dark


ashe is amazing in low-elo solo queue because arrow is like the game's great equalizer. you can count on the enemy 6-item carry to be farming in the middle of some pushed lane for no reason in like 90% of cases, so just arrowing down a lane will net your teammates kills -> you push for objectives. when i'm stuck on support and don't want to play rengar, i play a lot of ashe simply for this reason.

and yeah khazix is bug/dark (mecha khazix bug/steel)
skarner rock/bug
rengar dark
riven fighting
teemo poison
shyvana fire/dragon seems right
ashe ice


So wait... you play support Rengar?

I feel like Rengar and Ashe would be Normal type as well.

Support Rengar/Garen best supports.
It's your boy Guzma!
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 17 2013 20:01 GMT
#2435
On July 18 2013 04:53 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 04:50 Requizen wrote:
But we still have on topic discussions all the time. For example, we love to talk about whether one should run flat damage or penetration runes.

Or the value of GP10s.

but can you guys tell me what a tank is?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
canucks12
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada812 Posts
July 17 2013 20:05 GMT
#2436
On July 18 2013 04:58 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 04:54 Mauzel wrote:
On July 18 2013 04:49 gtrsrs wrote:
On July 18 2013 04:42 Mauzel wrote:
Ashe has my best winrate I think (something like 70%)

I don't even know why. Whenever I pick her I fail in lane and go like 0-6-0 and buy brutalizer because fuck it I can't afford anything else and then somehow win the game later randomly.

I like to think it's because my lategame decision making / teamfighting is really good but it's probably just because I act like a global taunt so mid and top get lots of farm and then I just play support ashe throwing out arrows randomly (CDR => more arrows! brutalizer ashe op)

Edit: Khazix is clearly Bug/Dark


ashe is amazing in low-elo solo queue because arrow is like the game's great equalizer. you can count on the enemy 6-item carry to be farming in the middle of some pushed lane for no reason in like 90% of cases, so just arrowing down a lane will net your teammates kills -> you push for objectives. when i'm stuck on support and don't want to play rengar, i play a lot of ashe simply for this reason.

and yeah khazix is bug/dark (mecha khazix bug/steel)
skarner rock/bug
rengar dark
riven fighting
teemo poison
shyvana fire/dragon seems right
ashe ice


So wait... you play support Rengar?

I feel like Rengar and Ashe would be Normal type as well.

Support Rengar/Garen best supports.



Bush dwellers thrive when they can stay in the bush and not have to worry about last hitting.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 17 2013 20:17 GMT
#2437
On July 18 2013 05:01 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 04:53 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On July 18 2013 04:50 Requizen wrote:
But we still have on topic discussions all the time. For example, we love to talk about whether one should run flat damage or penetration runes.

Or the value of GP10s.

but can you guys tell me what a tank is?

Riot can, now.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Mauzel
Profile Joined December 2009
United States421 Posts
July 17 2013 20:17 GMT
#2438
On July 18 2013 04:57 kainzero wrote:
I don't think win percentage on a champion is a very good metric until at least 30 games.

There are so many times I thought I had a good champion because I had 80%, but that was just 8-2 and it would then equalize itself very quickly.

Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 04:53 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On July 18 2013 04:50 Requizen wrote:
But we still have on topic discussions all the time. For example, we love to talk about whether one should run flat damage or penetration runes.

Or the value of GP10s.

I think GP10 is actually worth discussing now, given that the discussion won't be "Should I get HoG on all positions?" but that it could be a very realistic discussion on supports.


Because I was doing so well I continued to play Ashe whenever I got stuck on ADC. I got so bored of her (and winning despite sucking) that I stopped. I had about 60 games on her.
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
July 17 2013 20:23 GMT
#2439
Is it safe to call LifeSteal Quints the new meta on Marksmen? (there Riot I said it)

But what's the deal with half of the people running 4% and the other half running 6%. Am I missing something or is that extra 2.25 AD/2.56 Apen hitting a certain break point?
Fairy Tales when you're a child begin with "Once upon a time" and when you're an adult begin, "If elected I promise..."
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
July 17 2013 20:23 GMT
#2440
On July 18 2013 04:52 Numy wrote:
I apologize if people are angry around the off topic discussion. Let's just say I'm not slightly drunk and nostalgic about the good times. This community is the most open and welcoming around so felt like the place to get a bit off topic


Never apologize for off topic in this thread. It's exactly how this thread should be. I find it more odd that someone complained about a few people enjoying some random non-LoL talk. As far as I can remember, off-topic is normal for this thread, and it should always be like this. Plus, how difficult it is for people to ignore a few posts. It's not as if the majority of people read full posts unless they are interested in the topic anyways.
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