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XaCez
Sweden6991 Posts
On July 05 2013 01:15 geokilla wrote: Wolf mentioned on Twitter that his is going to be bad for League of Legends in the long run. Any reason why? KeSPA assuming full control like they did with BW in Korea would the only thing I can think of. Even then, I doubt Riot is going to just let them do that without any interference. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
which this short little series (3 episodes + first finals) also explains how LoL was totally a conspiracy by OGN in korea  all of them: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 05 2013 01:14 starslayer wrote: .... whats that even mean i said if the team that join play sc2 that would be cool but it doesnt say that so im not getting my hopes up Did you even read my post? I thought I was pretty clear as to why this is newsworthy to this section. It directly impacts the broadcast schedule of both games. We're not going to be mixing SF2 with SC2 like they did with BW. That's just as bad as Franken League, lol. The major players recruited not only one team but two. This League will stand alone on itself. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On July 05 2013 00:09 SidianTheBard wrote: Great news. If Dota2 wasn't supported by Valve, who everybody loves, it would already be a dead game. Glad SPL & Kespa were smart and picked up the better MOBA game. Maybe it's time for TL to actually pick up and fully support League? #deadgame im glad they picked up LoL and not dota. I mean champions have 4abilities + 1 unique passive EACH. its very complex. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8657 Posts
On July 05 2013 01:10 Thinasy wrote: "you really need to get your facts straight", you do realize you cant buy runes with IRL cash right? also you are able to buy champions with ingame-cash, so if anything you are the delusional one here atm. yeah if you want to play like 2000 games? huge investment JUST so you can have access to the entire champion pool. i have multiple friends in korea who claim to have spent over $100 just so they can access all the heroes. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 05 2013 01:19 N.geNuity wrote: its actually very easy to know how LoL got big in korea: n00bs said chaos (korean dota) was too hard and bw was too hard so they went to LoL (turn on eng subs) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81sFuQC-JRc#t=2m38s which this short little series (3 episodes) also explains how LoL was totally a conspiracy by OGN in korea all of them: + Show Spoiler + More like society is leaning more towards games that are easy to get in and out of from a noncompetitive level. LoL is a very social game (both a good and bad thing -- hopefully you play with a lot of friends!). Remember when we ripped apart Blizzard when they first announced SC2. We spoke about everything from auto-mine, to MBS, etc. all that jazz. Times are always going to change and f2p/mobas have been doing pretty darn well for quite some time. It's a completely different market though and they have to worry about other things. Fortunately pirating isn't on their to-do list. | ||
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
On July 05 2013 01:02 StarStruck wrote: They fail to realize that a LoL PL would eat up a lot of TV/coverage time as well. OGN already has their own league (this has been said several times already-- not our fault if those choose not to read a few of the responses in the thread for post cred), so it does actually impact the SC2 coverage to a certain extent in Korea. Yeah, but the OP says nothing about SC2 at all. Now we can make assumptions that it may affect SC2 in some way, but I still don't think it should be in this forum. When we have a news article that says "SC2 tv time cut in half because of LoL PL" it's place is here, but this one should be in LoL forum. Now this thread is full of LoL bashing, SC2 bashing, BW bashing etc, etc... | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 05 2013 01:55 Pr0wler wrote: Yeah, but the OP says nothing about SC2 at all. Now we can make assumptions that it may affect SC2 in some way, but I still don't think it should be in this forum. When we have a news article that says "SC2 tv time cut in half because of LoL PL" it's place is here, but this one should be in LoL forum. Now this thread is full of LoL bashing, SC2 bashing, BW bashing etc, etc... I think it's implied considering we already know about the OGN League/LCS. That's the pull and that's why people like Wolf would question it. The OGN schedule is already pretty tight as is. Not only that but what are the ramifications of this on the LCS and how the Koreans compete in it? This is pretty a significant deal and it could be problematic if Korea isolates their players even more. Those are the two biggest things that cross my mind: scheduling and how it effects the global playing field. I'd like to see a few Western teams like C9, Alternate, Gambit etc. compete in something like this. >_< | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
Well, I'd take that over the most contrived esport of all time. I'm fine with Riot using money they made off LoL to support LoL. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3683 Posts
On July 05 2013 01:09 canikizu wrote: Tencent bought Riot in 2011 for $400M, which was not actually that big of a shit ton, HoN was already a sinking ship by then because all the bad decision S2 made. Riot use player's money to pump back to the game, increase the game quality, organize the tournaments, I don't see how that's bad, should them just keep all the money and only do $1M tournament a year like Valve? ofc they should, lcs literally made any other lol tournament irrelevant, meaning that if riot pulls out (aka when they feel like investing all that cash is no longer a good thing) the entire scene collapses. Building a scene on developer money is really really dangerous, but I guess you'll see I'm right when they decide to pull out | ||
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
On July 05 2013 01:27 StarStruck wrote: More like society is leaning more towards games that are easy to get in and out of from a noncompetitive level. LoL is a very social game (both a good and bad thing -- hopefully you play with a lot of friends!). Remember when we ripped apart Blizzard when they first announced SC2. We spoke about everything from auto-mine, to MBS, etc. all that jazz. Times are always going to change and f2p/mobas have been doing pretty darn well for quite some time. It's a completely different market though and they have to worry about other things. Fortunately pirating isn't on their to-do list. Can you explain to me exactly how a game being social can be in ANY way classed as a bad thing? | ||
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purakushi
United States3300 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 05 2013 02:05 Eishi_Ki wrote: Can you explain to me exactly how a game being social can be in ANY way classed as a bad thing? Reported for feeding; reported for harassement; reported for being an unskilled player; players talking as if they know their shit; people failing to communicate or show any teamwork. I think you get the idea. There's just a lot of negativity when it comes to gaming chat in general. ;/ I think you get the idea. Not all your online social interactions with people are going to be positive. I'll give you one example from one of the last times I played. My buddy and I were trying something new and innovative bot lane in a normal game and a few guys weren't to thrilled about it. The dialogue that ensued was pretty darn entertaining hohoho. LoL can be a lot of fun when your playing with a lot friends. It's way more fun than going solo cue, but you'll always run into a few negative Nancies eventually. | ||
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Green_25
Great Britain696 Posts
There will always be a market for SC2, since some people (like myself) just prefer one on one competition over team games. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On July 05 2013 02:09 StarStruck wrote: Reported for feeding; reported for harassement; reported for being an unskilled player; players talking as if they know their shit; people failing to communicate or show any teamwork. I think you get the idea. There's just a lot of negativity when it comes to gaming chat in general. ;/ I think you get the idea. Not all your online social interactions with people are going to be positive. I'll give you one example from one of the last times I played. My buddy and I were trying something new and innovative bot lane in a normal game and a few guys weren't to thrilled about it. The dialogue that ensued was pretty darn entertaining hohoho. LoL can be a lot of fun when your playing with a lot friends. It's way more fun than going solo cue, but you'll always run into a few negative Nancies eventually. Sorry for being anecdotal, but it is an example for StarStruck's point: A few weeks ago, I tried out Dota to build an informed opinion about MOBAs, I played a little more than 30 games, before I uninstalled it - frustrated. Obviously I didn't play very well as I just started out and just read a few guides on how to play support (I'm pretty sure though there were also a lot of people playing a lot worse than I, but who am I to judge). I was always very open about being new, asked for advice on how to do stuff better. Needless to say, I was flamed a lot, was seemingly reported (at least I got the message that I would not receive any battle points and being in low priority queue); there were tons of people completely ignoring team mates, talking in Russian, Spanish or French - when politely asked to communicate at least rudimentarily in English, a lot of profanities were voiced. There were of course a few exceptions to the rule, players that would help out, were nice etc, but overall I'd say my impression of the MOBA community is worse than let's say that of CoD, which says a lot. I won't touch that game until friends of mine persuade me, DOTA was far from a pleasant experience for me. I enjoyed the actual gameplay somewhat, but far less than real RTS and not enough to put up with all that added shit. Sometimes it felt as I wasn't playing Dota but the blame game. | ||
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J.E.G.
United States389 Posts
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elementz
United States281 Posts
On July 04 2013 14:25 ssg wrote: Kespa was successful because they held a monopoly on BW talent. They are less so, but still very successful now because they have half the SC2 talent. LOL at them for thinking they can just incorporate LoL. Riot is keeping close, and the relation is well defined. Unlike what blizzard did, where they couldn't careless about BW eSports for the longest time, and then out of nowhere with SC2 they started care because they finally saw the marketing value in it. I don't think the monopoly of the players is a necessary thing this time around. MonteCristo the English caster for The Champions rumored out on his twitter that OGN and Riot were in talks for Korea/OGN to hold the World playoffs/finals for 2014. Judging from OGN high production with the little money they put in (relative to the millions of dollars Riots puts in), this could be an amazing event. On July 05 2013 02:54 ACrow wrote: Sorry for being anecdotal, but it is an example for StarStruck's point: A few weeks ago, I tried out Dota to build an informed opinion about MOBAs, I played a little more than 30 games, before I uninstalled it - frustrated. Obviously I didn't play very well as I just started out and just read a few guides on how to play support (I'm pretty sure though there were also a lot of people playing a lot worse than I, but who am I to judge). I was always very open about being new, asked for advice on how to do stuff better. Needless to say, I was flamed a lot, was seemingly reported (at least I got the message that I would not receive any battle points and being in low priority queue); there were tons of people completely ignoring team mates, talking in Russian, Spanish or French - when politely asked to communicate at least rudimentarily in English, a lot of profanities were voiced. There were of course a few exceptions to the rule, players that would help out, were nice etc, but overall I'd say my impression of the MOBA community is worse than let's say that of CoD, which says a lot. I won't touch that game until friends of mine persuade me, DOTA was far from a pleasant experience for me. I enjoyed the actual gameplay somewhat, but far less than real RTS and not enough to put up with all that added shit. Sometimes it felt as I wasn't playing Dota but the blame game. Both of your stories are examples of humans being assholes when set to play/work in a team environment, and when imaginary points are up for grab, the reason why many companies screen a lot for the thing called "teamwork"...and of course the Dunning–Kruger effect in full swing. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 05 2013 03:02 J.E.G. wrote: why is this in sc2 general If you read a few of the posts you would know. | ||
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Thinasy
2856 Posts
On July 05 2013 01:18 Gevna wrote: Who are you kidding ? I've played like 500 games of lol, and I don't even have 1/3 of the total pool. You can't have access to the full game without going by the cashshop. Then learn to win games. | ||
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