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elfonse
Profile Joined March 2011
416 Posts
July 04 2013 14:57 GMT
#221
On July 04 2013 23:54 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 23:52 elfonse wrote:
On July 04 2013 23:48 Bowzar wrote:
On July 04 2013 20:41 UmberBane wrote:
They better not exclude eSF teams like MVP if they want the full legitimacy for their pro league. MVP Ozone are just way too fucking good, stomping CJ Entus 3-0 last finals. Take that KeSPA!!

Just looked that up. So MVPs LoL team has a title sponsor while their SC2 team cant even afford to send DRG to Dreamhack. Makes me fucking sad. Also what a terrible businessman MVPs owner is.


where do people get this information?

Drg was supposed to go but had to cancel because money.


but wasnt he replaced by Tails?
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-04 15:06:57
July 04 2013 15:00 GMT
#222
On July 04 2013 23:57 elfonse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 23:54 Zenbrez wrote:
On July 04 2013 23:52 elfonse wrote:
On July 04 2013 23:48 Bowzar wrote:
On July 04 2013 20:41 UmberBane wrote:
They better not exclude eSF teams like MVP if they want the full legitimacy for their pro league. MVP Ozone are just way too fucking good, stomping CJ Entus 3-0 last finals. Take that KeSPA!!

Just looked that up. So MVPs LoL team has a title sponsor while their SC2 team cant even afford to send DRG to Dreamhack. Makes me fucking sad. Also what a terrible businessman MVPs owner is.


where do people get this information?

Drg was supposed to go but had to cancel because money.


but wasnt he replaced by Tails?

Well, it does not really say who replaced who, TAiLS was a replacement among the group of players that dropped out alongside DRG.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416835


On another note, I do not think that it is surprising that a Korean team puts their focus on Korea rather than on Europe
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-04 15:05:15
July 04 2013 15:00 GMT
#223
On July 04 2013 23:57 elfonse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 23:54 Zenbrez wrote:
On July 04 2013 23:52 elfonse wrote:
On July 04 2013 23:48 Bowzar wrote:
On July 04 2013 20:41 UmberBane wrote:
They better not exclude eSF teams like MVP if they want the full legitimacy for their pro league. MVP Ozone are just way too fucking good, stomping CJ Entus 3-0 last finals. Take that KeSPA!!

Just looked that up. So MVPs LoL team has a title sponsor while their SC2 team cant even afford to send DRG to Dreamhack. Makes me fucking sad. Also what a terrible businessman MVPs owner is.


where do people get this information?

Drg was supposed to go but had to cancel because money.


but wasnt he replaced by Tails?

No he wasn't? :o

On July 05 2013 00:00 XaCez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 23:57 elfonse wrote:
On July 04 2013 23:54 Zenbrez wrote:
On July 04 2013 23:52 elfonse wrote:
On July 04 2013 23:48 Bowzar wrote:
On July 04 2013 20:41 UmberBane wrote:
They better not exclude eSF teams like MVP if they want the full legitimacy for their pro league. MVP Ozone are just way too fucking good, stomping CJ Entus 3-0 last finals. Take that KeSPA!!

Just looked that up. So MVPs LoL team has a title sponsor while their SC2 team cant even afford to send DRG to Dreamhack. Makes me fucking sad. Also what a terrible businessman MVPs owner is.


where do people get this information?

Drg was supposed to go but had to cancel because money.


but wasnt he replaced by Tails?

Well, it does not really say who replaced who, TAiLS was a replacement among the group of players that dropped out alongside DRG.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416835

On another note, I do not think that it is surprising that a Korean team puts their focus on Korea rather than on Europe

That's a Swedish player called "Tails" though?
Bowzar
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden741 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-04 15:03:41
July 04 2013 15:03 GMT
#224
On July 04 2013 23:54 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 23:52 elfonse wrote:
On July 04 2013 23:48 Bowzar wrote:
On July 04 2013 20:41 UmberBane wrote:
They better not exclude eSF teams like MVP if they want the full legitimacy for their pro league. MVP Ozone are just way too fucking good, stomping CJ Entus 3-0 last finals. Take that KeSPA!!

Just looked that up. So MVPs LoL team has a title sponsor while their SC2 team cant even afford to send DRG to Dreamhack. Makes me fucking sad. Also what a terrible businessman MVPs owner is.


where do people get this information?

Drg was supposed to go but had to cancel because money.

Money wouldnt have been an issue if Ozone sponsored the whole team and not just the LoL squad, thats just bad negotiation from the owners side.
zuperketla
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway212 Posts
July 04 2013 15:04 GMT
#225
really cool and good news =)
heyho
havok55
Profile Joined May 2013
United States276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-04 15:04:49
July 04 2013 15:04 GMT
#226
You'd think Koreans would favor a more skillful MOBA like Dota2 over LoL.

I guess LoL has already taken too big of a foothold there.
SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2474 Posts
July 04 2013 15:09 GMT
#227
Great news. If Dota2 wasn't supported by Valve, who everybody loves, it would already be a dead game. Glad SPL & Kespa were smart and picked up the better MOBA game. Maybe it's time for TL to actually pick up and fully support League?
Creator of Abyssal Reef, Ascension to Aiur, Battle on the Boardwalk, Habitation Station, Honorgrounds, IPL Darkness Falls, King's Cove, Korhal Carnage Knockout & Moonlight Madness.
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
July 04 2013 15:14 GMT
#228
On July 05 2013 00:03 Bowzar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 23:54 Zenbrez wrote:
On July 04 2013 23:52 elfonse wrote:
On July 04 2013 23:48 Bowzar wrote:
On July 04 2013 20:41 UmberBane wrote:
They better not exclude eSF teams like MVP if they want the full legitimacy for their pro league. MVP Ozone are just way too fucking good, stomping CJ Entus 3-0 last finals. Take that KeSPA!!

Just looked that up. So MVPs LoL team has a title sponsor while their SC2 team cant even afford to send DRG to Dreamhack. Makes me fucking sad. Also what a terrible businessman MVPs owner is.


where do people get this information?

Drg was supposed to go but had to cancel because money.

Money wouldnt have been an issue if Ozone sponsored the whole team and not just the LoL squad, thats just bad negotiation from the owners side.

I forget what team it was, but it was a very unknown team that nobody cared about - they had a small sc2 squad with a (supposedly) good LoL team. Their sponsor didn't want to give much money towards their sc2 players, but was really interested in the LoL team, so they cut the sc2 players off the team to close the deal. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

Not that I'm happy with that decision, but it is what it is
Refer to my post.
ant-1
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada149 Posts
July 04 2013 15:15 GMT
#229
I really don't get LoL as an e-sport. To me it's unwatchable :
- Too long to start (imagine a soccer match where there's a wall in the middle that's raised around 10 minutes into the game)
- Action can happen at 4 different places (imagine a soccer match with 4 balls)
- Too long (you thought TvT WoL were long games? Think again.) How are they gonna do BO3? Starting around noon?

And don't get me started on the colors. Well that's just me I guess.
The Days Run Away Like Wild Horses Over the Hills
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
July 04 2013 15:17 GMT
#230
On July 05 2013 00:09 SidianTheBard wrote:
Great news. If Dota2 wasn't supported by Valve, who everybody loves, it would already be a dead game. Glad SPL & Kespa were smart and picked up the better MOBA game. Maybe it's time for TL to actually pick up and fully support League?

Yea I agree with this.

Would be nice if TL would keep up with the pace. LoL gives me the chills when I play and watch.
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-04 15:23:23
July 04 2013 15:22 GMT
#231
On July 05 2013 00:09 SidianTheBard wrote:
Great news. If Dota2 wasn't supported by Valve, who everybody loves, it would already be a dead game. Glad SPL & Kespa were smart and picked up the better MOBA game. Maybe it's time for TL to actually pick up and fully support League?

if lol wasnt supported by riot, who is filthy rich, it would already be a dead game.
???
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-04 15:23:58
July 04 2013 15:23 GMT
#232
On July 05 2013 00:15 ant-1 wrote:
I really don't get LoL as an e-sport. To me it's unwatchable :
- Too long to start (imagine a soccer match where there's a wall in the middle that's raised around 10 minutes into the game)
- Action can happen at 4 different places (imagine a soccer match with 4 balls)
- Too long (you thought TvT WoL were long games? Think again.) How are they gonna do BO3? Starting around noon?

And don't get me started on the colors. Well that's just me I guess.


Point 2 can easily happen in SC2 or Dota2, too?
The standard lol game is not much longer than sc2 Oo

On July 05 2013 00:22 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2013 00:09 SidianTheBard wrote:
Great news. If Dota2 wasn't supported by Valve, who everybody loves, it would already be a dead game. Glad SPL & Kespa were smart and picked up the better MOBA game. Maybe it's time for TL to actually pick up and fully support League?

if lol wasnt supported by riot, who is filthy rich, it would already be a dead game.
???


Why you hate LoL so much?
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8745 Posts
July 04 2013 15:25 GMT
#233
i didnt make that comment based on my dislike for lol. it was to show him that his logic is stupid.
although if you must know, my personal reasons for hating lol is cause i just find it so much worse than dota in so many aspects. also i dont like riot as a company
mjuuy
Profile Joined May 2012
Norway506 Posts
July 04 2013 15:28 GMT
#234
When talking about the future, they hope LoL will be like a professional sport to attract more investment and provide more insurance to professional players. Riot's representative said that holding global tournaments in Korea is like holding world cup in Brazil--it's crazily good. They hope regions will have more cooperation.

No thanks! Gz kespa anyway!
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Jamial
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark1289 Posts
July 04 2013 15:28 GMT
#235
Please not KeSPA...............
Flaf?
HeRoMaster
Profile Joined June 2011
Ireland2 Posts
July 04 2013 15:29 GMT
#236
Well no wonder really, people always going on about SC2 best esport and this and that but dont watch events like WCS KR or SPL because they can't be bothered.. SPL barely gets 10k viewers and it's like one of the most skilled leagues in Starcraft 2 atm.. if people don't want SPL to go away for SC2 they need to actually tune in and watch the streams.. it really annoys me how people always go on about sc2 best game LoL is bad .. but LoL players actually watch tournaments while sc2 players just find out the results on reddit or liquipedia while not watching any tournaments.. always on twitch chat u can tell the people that purposely have adblocks on and this is why SPL is probably not profitable at all for OGN.. if people actually sucked it up and disabled adblocks for some 30 second ads.. stopped complaining about casters and actually tuned in to watch the best games around and watched FOR the games then OGN would see starcraft 2 profitable and it would be more succesful there
SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-04 15:56:26
July 04 2013 15:30 GMT
#237
On July 05 2013 00:22 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2013 00:09 SidianTheBard wrote:
Great news. If Dota2 wasn't supported by Valve, who everybody loves, it would already be a dead game. Glad SPL & Kespa were smart and picked up the better MOBA game. Maybe it's time for TL to actually pick up and fully support League?

if lol wasnt supported by riot, who is filthy rich, it would already be a dead game.
???


Yes, the FREE to play game made Riot filthy rich. You know why? Probably because of the millions upon millions of people that support it. I'd imagine saying Dota2 supported by VALVE makes a lot of people jump on that boat because it's Valve and they've proven how amazing of a company they are.
Creator of Abyssal Reef, Ascension to Aiur, Battle on the Boardwalk, Habitation Station, Honorgrounds, IPL Darkness Falls, King's Cove, Korhal Carnage Knockout & Moonlight Madness.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-04 15:32:03
July 04 2013 15:31 GMT
#238
Long overdue for LoL!
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suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-04 15:43:15
July 04 2013 15:36 GMT
#239
hopefully they change up the situation where teams cut/add their LoL teams like people change clothes

it was sad how they dropped SKT1 #1 after less than a year.

if MVP and LGIM switch over i'm curious as to whether eSF will look to add teams for GSTL or not. i know FXOpen has a LoL team (but not a korean one) and i would assume it wouldn't take much effort for teams like Startale (already had one) and NSH (they can probably find five people at the college campus that play LoL), so i wonder if the eSF might look at adding a league of their own or if they want to continue playing in the OGN/NLB structure assuming kespa doesn't lock them out, and i doubt kespa has the power to make OGN Champions exclusive because of the amount of amateur teams that get promoted every year via NLB.

also i'm wondering if Najin emFire might join KeSPA for LoL. i know they don't have a SC2 team but it's not like they didn't have special forces teams that were SF only.

On July 05 2013 00:04 havok55 wrote:
You'd think Koreans would favor a more skillful MOBA like Dota2 over LoL.

I guess LoL has already taken too big of a foothold there.


dota2 is just now getting released in korea via nexxon

and you'd think koreans would favor a more skillful rts like BW over SC2, but that's way too much of a simplified explanation for the transition to SC2, just as it's a too simplified explanation for why LoL is doing so well over there (and from a global standpoint) over DoTA

as someone who plays both doter and league i really don't think "oh it takes more skill to play/the other game is too casual!" is a viable critique anymore in the first place, because the gaming market as a whole has changed way too much for that to be considered a selling point for anything but an extremely niche "hardcore gamer" market.
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XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
July 04 2013 15:41 GMT
#240
On July 05 2013 00:22 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2013 00:09 SidianTheBard wrote:
Great news. If Dota2 wasn't supported by Valve, who everybody loves, it would already be a dead game. Glad SPL & Kespa were smart and picked up the better MOBA game. Maybe it's time for TL to actually pick up and fully support League?

if lol wasnt supported by riot, who is filthy rich, it would already be a dead game.
???

Yeah, I mean, a game that gets upwards 200k viewers would suddenly die if the developers decided to not spend more money on it. Obviously sponsors would have no interest reaching out to such a number of people.

I guess that is why HOT6iX stopped sponsoring GSL and now sponsors OGN Champions instead.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
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