• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 05:46
CET 11:46
KST 19:46
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners10Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!33$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship6[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win10
StarCraft 2
General
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
[ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BW General Discussion [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Why we need SC3
Hildegard
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1486 users

[Patch 3.08: Aatrox Patch] General Discussion - Page 25

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 23 24 25 26 27 380 Next
Interested in helping start an on-topic, serious League discussion thread? PM Neo to talk about how to get started.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
June 12 2013 16:08 GMT
#481
On June 13 2013 01:06 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 00:03 Dusty wrote:
new khazix is so bad to play as, the W mid-air cast removal makes him sooooooooooooo bad to play now :[

I don't get why they did that, it was so much fun too... Now he's just extremely clunky. Instead of retreating with EW, you now need to W them, wait for 5 billion years, and E after they already caught up...

The other nerfs would have been more than enough, this just sticks him into the shitter


Hyperbolic. I just played against one, he did fine.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
June 12 2013 16:08 GMT
#482
On June 13 2013 01:06 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 00:03 Dusty wrote:
new khazix is so bad to play as, the W mid-air cast removal makes him sooooooooooooo bad to play now :[

I don't get why they did that, it was so much fun too... Now he's just extremely clunky. Instead of retreating with EW, you now need to W them, wait for 5 billion years, and E after they already caught up...

The other nerfs would have been more than enough, this just sticks him into the shitter

to be fair he was kinda ridiculous before outclassing pretty much every other assassin in game
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 12 2013 16:09 GMT
#483
On June 13 2013 01:01 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 00:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 13 2013 00:46 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On June 13 2013 00:44 Simberto wrote:
On June 12 2013 23:55 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On June 12 2013 23:52 Capped wrote:
Virtually is literally the dumbest thing i have ever seen?


It's virtually literally dynamically emphatically magically spiritually religiously factually criminally spitefully wholeheartedly the dumbest thing I've ever seen.


Related, does someone know where i could find a good list of scary horror adjectives?


http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081214124118AAXjDbJ

GD, for all your LoL and not-LoL needs.


As I've said in the past, I don't view TL LoL GD as General Discussion of LoL, but as General Discussion with the TL LoL Community.

SO YOU WERE THE ONE THAT SAID THAT! I keep quoting it but didn't know who to attribute it too. I used it in like the first few pages of this thread lol.


Haha, just found it. I've been very bad at keeping up with threads lately ^.^
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-12 16:14:01
June 12 2013 16:10 GMT
#484
On June 13 2013 01:08 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 01:06 Shikyo wrote:
On June 13 2013 00:03 Dusty wrote:
new khazix is so bad to play as, the W mid-air cast removal makes him sooooooooooooo bad to play now :[

I don't get why they did that, it was so much fun too... Now he's just extremely clunky. Instead of retreating with EW, you now need to W them, wait for 5 billion years, and E after they already caught up...

The other nerfs would have been more than enough, this just sticks him into the shitter

to be fair he was kinda ridiculous before outclassing pretty much every other assassin in game

So you should nerf his numbers or whatever more if necessary, not what makes him fun.. .

Aigis's mode change combos are so difficult -.-
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
June 12 2013 16:29 GMT
#485
On June 13 2013 01:08 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 01:06 Shikyo wrote:
On June 13 2013 00:03 Dusty wrote:
new khazix is so bad to play as, the W mid-air cast removal makes him sooooooooooooo bad to play now :[

I don't get why they did that, it was so much fun too... Now he's just extremely clunky. Instead of retreating with EW, you now need to W them, wait for 5 billion years, and E after they already caught up...

The other nerfs would have been more than enough, this just sticks him into the shitter

to be fair he was kinda ridiculous before outclassing pretty much every other assassin in game


Sure, it'll put him more in line with the other assassins but its not why he's bad right now, he's bad because playing him is super unfun due to how bad his W feels
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-12 16:33:15
June 12 2013 16:32 GMT
#486
The problem I have with the Kha'Zix change is not whether it makes him too strong or too weak, but the fundamental change to his design makes him as snowbally and as hard to balance as the other problematic assassins. Either he can solo-kill successfuly and instantly combo someone out of a teamfight, or he can't--and if he can't, he has a harder time being useful because his ranged damage dealing potential and smoothness of moving through a fight got weakened. At least before, he could have more smooth development based on his poke/AoE even if he wasnt able to just jump in and kill someone.

It seems very weird to me that assassins are the one champ archetype that Riot *allows* to be lopsided in terms of their usefulness/power development, which makes it really awkward to balance them against other champs that are more or less well-rounded.
Moderator
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 12 2013 16:33 GMT
#487
Having an AOE gapcloser/slow/heal combo was pretty stupid though.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-12 16:38:16
June 12 2013 16:34 GMT
#488
I don't even think it's that stupid for a champ to have "everything" at this point because Riot has given enough champs "everything" anyway.

It's simply a matter of how good everyone's "everything" is.

It's arguably more problematic for champs to NOT have "everything" at this point, because then Riot has to make them lopsided to make up for it, and Riot doesn't exactly have a good track record balancing champs that are lopsided like that.
Moderator
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-12 16:38:12
June 12 2013 16:36 GMT
#489
On June 13 2013 01:32 TheYango wrote:
The problem I have with the Kha'Zix change is not whether it makes him too strong or too weak, but the fundamental change to his design makes him as snowbally and as hard to balance as the other problematic assassins. Either he can solo-kill successfuly and instantly combo someone out of a teamfight, or he can't--and if he can't, he has a harder time being useful because his ranged damage dealing potential and smoothness of moving through a fight got weakened. At least before, he could have more smooth development based on his poke/AoE even if he wasnt able to just jump in and kill someone.

It seems very weird to me that assassins are the one champ archetype that Riot *allows* to be lopsided in terms of their usefulness/power development, which makes it really awkward to balance them against other champs that are more or less well-rounded.


Agree. Either you see Kha'Zix jumping repeatedly spamming W along the way, or he gets donked by enemy cc and has to R out and becomes useless untill he gets the reset he needs.

It's similar to Katarina. Either she times her shit correct and gets the reset to keep her pressure up in team fights, or she just becomes useless because of her rather longish cd's.
hi
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
June 12 2013 16:39 GMT
#490
On June 13 2013 01:32 TheYango wrote:
The problem I have with the Kha'Zix change is not whether it makes him too strong or too weak, but the fundamental change to his design makes him as snowbally and as hard to balance as the other problematic assassins. Either he can solo-kill successfuly and instantly combo someone out of a teamfight, or he can't--and if he can't, he has a harder time being useful because his ranged damage dealing potential and smoothness of moving through a fight got weakened. At least before, he could have more smooth development based on his poke/AoE even if he wasnt able to just jump in and kill someone.

It seems very weird to me that assassins are the one champ archetype that Riot *allows* to be lopsided in terms of their usefulness/power development, which makes it really awkward to balance them against other champs that are more or less well-rounded.


Isn't that how assassins are supposed to be though? Get in a nuke a target down or die trying?

I feel like "assassins" should be very high risk/high reward. K6 was just a bit too good just chilling back and shooting missiles at people, while still being able to hop in and annihilate a squishy. I think with this change he will fit that archetype better, instead of being a great assassin and have great poke.

On a side note, Aatrox looks super strong. Like, holy moley strong.
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-12 16:41:24
June 12 2013 16:40 GMT
#491
His damage mid game is still absurd tho. Was playing against a kha mid yesterday, I won my lane, won the game 10-2, but he still got fed somehow by one shotting the adc and support in every team fight and finished 10-3 despite being in the losing team (every lane were crushing basically).
I like his mobility, makes him a fun character to play with and against, but damn his damage is ridiculous sometime.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Noro
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada991 Posts
June 12 2013 16:42 GMT
#492
On June 13 2013 01:39 Mondeezy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 01:32 TheYango wrote:
The problem I have with the Kha'Zix change is not whether it makes him too strong or too weak, but the fundamental change to his design makes him as snowbally and as hard to balance as the other problematic assassins. Either he can solo-kill successfuly and instantly combo someone out of a teamfight, or he can't--and if he can't, he has a harder time being useful because his ranged damage dealing potential and smoothness of moving through a fight got weakened. At least before, he could have more smooth development based on his poke/AoE even if he wasnt able to just jump in and kill someone.

It seems very weird to me that assassins are the one champ archetype that Riot *allows* to be lopsided in terms of their usefulness/power development, which makes it really awkward to balance them against other champs that are more or less well-rounded.


Isn't that how assassins are supposed to be though? Get in a nuke a target down or die trying?

I feel like "assassins" should be very high risk/high reward. K6 was just a bit too good just chilling back and shooting missiles at people, while still being able to hop in and annihilate a squishy. I think with this change he will fit that archetype better, instead of being a great assassin and have great poke.

On a side note, Aatrox looks super strong. Like, holy moley strong.


Agree and agree. How long before Aatrox's passive gets nerfed.. I'm excited to see him get played though, he seems really versatile.
Talk not to me of blasphemy, man; I'd strike the sun if it insulted me.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
June 12 2013 16:45 GMT
#493
On June 13 2013 01:10 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 01:08 kongoline wrote:
On June 13 2013 01:06 Shikyo wrote:
On June 13 2013 00:03 Dusty wrote:
new khazix is so bad to play as, the W mid-air cast removal makes him sooooooooooooo bad to play now :[

I don't get why they did that, it was so much fun too... Now he's just extremely clunky. Instead of retreating with EW, you now need to W them, wait for 5 billion years, and E after they already caught up...

The other nerfs would have been more than enough, this just sticks him into the shitter

to be fair he was kinda ridiculous before outclassing pretty much every other assassin in game

So you should nerf his numbers or whatever more if necessary, not what makes him fun.. .

Aigis's mode change combos are so difficult -.-

people still play persona arena? wat

TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-12 16:56:36
June 12 2013 16:46 GMT
#494
On June 13 2013 01:39 Mondeezy wrote:
Isn't that how assassins are supposed to be though? Get in a nuke a target down or die trying?

Assassins are not supposed to be a teamfight-focused champ type in the first place. A champ that is focused on diving and burst damage without AoE and overall utility is much more geared toward solo-killing, ganking, and split-pushing than toward heads-up teamfights. These are the inherent restrictions of a kit designed this way. You can't make a champ that has these kinds of lopsided skills good at teamfighting unless he also becomes abusably good at everything else, which is why it's easier just to give them the tools to do everything like every other champ.

Every other champ archetype in the game tends to be far less lopsided than this--far more suited toward all types of game tempos. You don't have the complex interactions of a lot of different lopsided kits, you have a lot of well rounded kits and a few lopsided assassin kits.

So since the well-rounded kits are able to do anything really, a lopsided kit is just going to have his weaknesses played to. Which means unless the champ is balanced absolutely perfectly, it's really easy for him to be far too strong or far too weak. Additionally, it means that a lower-level team that isn't playing to his weaknesses is going to get crushed by the champ's strong points.
Moderator
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-12 16:55:04
June 12 2013 16:53 GMT
#495
How do people play the same champ for hundreds of games? I love some champs, but I feel like sometimes there are situations where that champ just doesn't work, or I get bored of them after 4-5 games.

On June 13 2013 01:46 TheYango wrote:
.....
So since the well-rounded kits are able to do anything really, a lopsided kit is just going to have his weaknesses played to. Which means unless the champ is balanced absolutely perfectly, it's really easy for him to be far too strong or far too weak. Additionally, it means that a lower-level team that isn't playing to his weaknesses is going to get crushed by the champ's strong points.


I see. Personally, I like the assassin archetype (I think it's really fun - or unfun, depending on the situation, but that's part of the "risk" factor for me), but I didn't like that K6 could literally do the job of every assassin, as well as fit a poke comp, as well as have a dominant lane phase, as well as waveclear like a god. What would you have done differently to "balance" him, out of curiosity?
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
June 12 2013 16:54 GMT
#496
I forgot how much fun Annie is. Girl brings it with a doran's ring and 2 pots, that's for sure.
Noro
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada991 Posts
June 12 2013 16:57 GMT
#497
On June 13 2013 01:54 zer0das wrote:
I forgot how much fun Annie is. Girl brings it with a doran's ring and 2 pots, that's for sure.


I love and hate the Annie resurgence. So many good Annies wrecking my teams lately ><
Talk not to me of blasphemy, man; I'd strike the sun if it insulted me.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-12 17:03:08
June 12 2013 16:59 GMT
#498
Tibbahhhhz too stronk

It's a little unfair you can summon a tank with a nuke/stun and sunfire cape at lvl 6 though.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-12 17:06:03
June 12 2013 17:05 GMT
#499
woot Im Dumb


~
Noro
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada991 Posts
June 12 2013 17:11 GMT
#500
On June 13 2013 01:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
Tibbahhhhz too stronk

It's a little unfair you can summon a tank with a nuke/stun and sunfire cape at lvl 6 though.


It's probably because of the new animations for her... they're clearly needing a nerf.

Same with reverse Annie, I swear she auto does more damage with that skin.
Talk not to me of blasphemy, man; I'd strike the sun if it insulted me.
Prev 1 23 24 25 26 27 380 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
CranKy Ducklings
10:00
Sea Duckling Open #140
CranKy Ducklings51
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech132
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 7134
Horang2 2361
GuemChi 1371
Jaedong 778
Larva 520
actioN 502
Soma 288
Stork 194
Hyun 146
Killer 117
[ Show more ]
BeSt 104
ToSsGirL 82
PianO 59
Mini 56
EffOrt 55
Mind 51
Backho 50
Sharp 42
Rush 41
NaDa 30
Bale 13
soO 13
HiyA 12
Sacsri 10
Dota 2
Gorgc1614
XcaliburYe197
League of Legends
JimRising 412
Counter-Strike
fl0m1685
zeus193
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor115
Other Games
summit1g16353
Sick154
XaKoH 113
nookyyy 27
MindelVK19
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick648
Counter-Strike
PGL133
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH105
• StrangeGG 47
• LUISG 22
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2667
• Stunt1157
Upcoming Events
IPSL
7h 14m
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
LAN Event
7h 14m
Lambo vs Clem
Scarlett vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs TBD
Zoun vs TBD
BSL 21
9h 14m
Gosudark vs Kyrie
Gypsy vs OyAji
UltrA vs Radley
Dandy vs Ptak
Replay Cast
12h 14m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
23h 14m
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 1h
LAN Event
1d 4h
IPSL
1d 7h
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
BSL 21
1d 9h
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
Replay Cast
1d 22h
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.