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On June 28 2013 06:52 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 06:13 Argoth. wrote: Sometimes I really think Froggen has a special dice when playing anivia... right now he has muramana, spirit of the elder lizard, liandrys, and giants belt. seriously wtf. Edit: Frozen mallet. this build... Anivia has such a great AP scaling but whyyyy Edit2: now adding BotRK o_O I would get flamed to hell for this. Don't you know that after he locks in Anivia, he just tosses at a dartboard with item pictures on it yet?
On September 27 2012 10:08 MooMooMugi wrote: Froggen builds are determined by where his darts land on his item build pie chart Hahaha
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Mechanics are the same in pro play and in soloq.Nien/turtle/altec are all people who were #1 in soloq and are really good ad-s.
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yeah but what is your point? Chaox was #1+#2 - 3 or 4 months ago
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Well my point is he isn't good enough.Dunno why everyone thinks so highly of him.Getting multiple accounts in challenger isn't just about grinding enough games.Pros still play a lot of soloq.
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With 5 or 6 more hours a day to solo queue I don't see why he couldn't get 7 or 8 accts in Challenger.
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Nafta you are not making any sense. You keep ignoring the objetive fact,he was rank 1 and 2 when he wasn't even playing full time soloQ, and you keep going with your opinion that he isn't good enough to have multiple challenger accounts because he played bad in some LCS games before he got benched
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On June 28 2013 07:09 nafta wrote: Mechanics are the same in pro play and in soloq.Nien/turtle/altec are all people who were #1 in soloq and are really good ad-s. If Chaox gets multiple top 10 Challenger accounts, would you consider him a good ADC?
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On June 28 2013 07:30 caelym wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 07:09 nafta wrote: Mechanics are the same in pro play and in soloq.Nien/turtle/altec are all people who were #1 in soloq and are really good ad-s. If Chaox gets multiple top 10 Challenger accounts, would you consider him a good ADC?
Well if he does he probably would start to play well.I have yet to see bad people at the top of the ladder at least in eu dunno about na.But getting multiple accounts in challenger and keeping them there should mean that you need to win a lot>carry a lot.
Don't understand why everyone seems to be offended or something by me just saying no I don't think he will lol.
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Yeah, and Desrow also could have multiple GM accounts in NA and no one would consider him a top contender.... just a example... just like in Starcraft, ladder only matters *this* much and *this* much doesnt have to translate to a competitive setting.
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On June 28 2013 07:33 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 07:30 caelym wrote:On June 28 2013 07:09 nafta wrote: Mechanics are the same in pro play and in soloq.Nien/turtle/altec are all people who were #1 in soloq and are really good ad-s. If Chaox gets multiple top 10 Challenger accounts, would you consider him a good ADC? Well if he does he probably would start to play well.I have yet to see bad people at the top of the ladder at least in eu dunno about na.But getting multiple accounts in challenger and keeping them there should mean that you need to win a lot>carry a lot. Don't understand why everyone seems to be offended or something by me just saying no I don't think he will lol.
because it doesn't make any sense that you say he's bad and top challenger are only "good" people although he was on top of the challenger bracket with 2 accounts just a while ago.
nobody's offended here over this.
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On June 28 2013 07:49 Usagi wrote: Yeah, and Desrow also could have multiple GM accounts in NA and no one would consider him a top contender.... just a example... just like in Starcraft, ladder only matters *this* much and *this* much doesnt have to translate to a competitive setting. Yea and Chaox has shown he was capable of competing against some of the best in NA/EU for quite a while. During this time, nobody was like omg Chaox so bad. He wasn't kicked for being bad. His rockstar persona ran away with him. Pleasing fangirls and enjoying himself replaced his game first mentality. When you spend the vast majority of time playing against NA. Why would the consideration of other ladders have importance?
If sc2 was identical to the way LoL is with the with the lack of Korean participants in other regions. Desrow holding multiple GM spots in NA would hold a bit of weight and mean something.
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On June 28 2013 07:33 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 07:30 caelym wrote:On June 28 2013 07:09 nafta wrote: Mechanics are the same in pro play and in soloq.Nien/turtle/altec are all people who were #1 in soloq and are really good ad-s. If Chaox gets multiple top 10 Challenger accounts, would you consider him a good ADC? Well if he does he probably would start to play well.I have yet to see bad people at the top of the ladder at least in eu dunno about na.But getting multiple accounts in challenger and keeping them there should mean that you need to win a lot>carry a lot. Don't understand why everyone seems to be offended or something by me just saying no I don't think he will lol.
I'm not offended, except by your offhand dismissal of my initial inquiry.
He makes money by streaming. Once his MMR get high enough on any one account ques will get too long for proper streaming, thus he will make a new account. Has has #1 and #2 before. I didn't even ask about top 10 only. He is clearly better than a lot of challenger players such as "I Kenny U" "Col Lautemortis" and the various RobertXLee accounts.
My question was fairly logical I thought.
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On June 28 2013 08:01 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 07:33 nafta wrote:On June 28 2013 07:30 caelym wrote:On June 28 2013 07:09 nafta wrote: Mechanics are the same in pro play and in soloq.Nien/turtle/altec are all people who were #1 in soloq and are really good ad-s. If Chaox gets multiple top 10 Challenger accounts, would you consider him a good ADC? Well if he does he probably would start to play well.I have yet to see bad people at the top of the ladder at least in eu dunno about na.But getting multiple accounts in challenger and keeping them there should mean that you need to win a lot>carry a lot. Don't understand why everyone seems to be offended or something by me just saying no I don't think he will lol. I'm not offended, except by your offhand dismissal of my initial inquiry. He makes money by streaming. Once his MMR get high enough on any one account ques will get too long for proper streaming, thus he will make a new account. Has has #1 and #2 before. I didn't even ask about top 10 only. He is clearly better than a lot of challenger players such as "I Kenny U" "Col Lautemortis" and the various RobertXLee accounts. My question was fairly logical I thought.
robertxlee is probably better mechanically right now, but I understand your point
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Everyone is saying how OP nunu is in jungle, but I can't make him work for me no matter what, lost like 10 games in a row with him... I run MS quints, AS reds, armor yellow, MR blue, 4 4 22 masteries. I run around, stealing the big neutrals, trying to gank, but by 20mins, I'm always 0 0 3-4 or something, which is ok, but I'm also at least 40cs behind their jungler.
Also, for some reason I just can't snowball the lanes I'm helping, I give a kill or two to top lane, and he gets destroyed anyway (nasus died to riven twice in 2 mins).
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On June 28 2013 08:17 Tilorn91 wrote: Everyone is saying how OP nunu is in jungle, but I can't make him work for me no matter what, lost like 10 games in a row with him... I run MS quints, AS reds, armor yellow, MR blue, 4 4 22 masteries. I run around, stealing the big neutrals, trying to gank, but by 20mins, I'm always 0 0 3-4 or something, which is ok, but I'm also at least 40cs behind their jungler.
Also, for some reason I just can't snowball the lanes I'm helping, I give a kill or two to top lane, and he gets destroyed anyway (nasus died to riven twice in 2 mins). You dont have to get high farm as nunu, just ward and stole their buffs then gank left and right.
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On June 28 2013 08:17 Tilorn91 wrote: Everyone is saying how OP nunu is in jungle, but I can't make him work for me no matter what, lost like 10 games in a row with him... I run MS quints, AS reds, armor yellow, MR blue, 4 4 22 masteries. I run around, stealing the big neutrals, trying to gank, but by 20mins, I'm always 0 0 3-4 or something, which is ok, but I'm also at least 40cs behind their jungler.
Also, for some reason I just can't snowball the lanes I'm helping, I give a kill or two to top lane, and he gets destroyed anyway (nasus died to riven twice in 2 mins). How are you 40cs behind the enemy jungler if you're taking all their buffs?
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On June 28 2013 07:30 caelym wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 07:09 nafta wrote: Mechanics are the same in pro play and in soloq.Nien/turtle/altec are all people who were #1 in soloq and are really good ad-s. If Chaox gets multiple top 10 Challenger accounts, would you consider him a good ADC? Only if they were on Korean Servers.
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On June 28 2013 08:17 Tilorn91 wrote: Everyone is saying how OP nunu is in jungle, but I can't make him work for me no matter what, lost like 10 games in a row with him... I run MS quints, AS reds, armor yellow, MR blue, 4 4 22 masteries. I run around, stealing the big neutrals, trying to gank, but by 20mins, I'm always 0 0 3-4 or something, which is ok, but I'm also at least 40cs behind their jungler.
Also, for some reason I just can't snowball the lanes I'm helping, I give a kill or two to top lane, and he gets destroyed anyway (nasus died to riven twice in 2 mins). If you're behind their jungler in farm and your lanes aren't crazy ahead it means you're not doing anything on the map. If you manage to steal enough XP to be a full level ahead of their jungler then either they power farm or just camp the shit out of a lane. If they are power farming, then you should camp a lane to either win it hard for your team or to force their jungler to respond to you (and thus give up his farming). If he is camping a lane you should be using the extra gold and map pressure you have to figure out the only places where he could show up and then make his day miserable.
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On June 28 2013 08:17 Tilorn91 wrote: Everyone is saying how OP nunu is in jungle, but I can't make him work for me no matter what, lost like 10 games in a row with him... I run MS quints, AS reds, armor yellow, MR blue, 4 4 22 masteries. I run around, stealing the big neutrals, trying to gank, but by 20mins, I'm always 0 0 3-4 or something, which is ok, but I'm also at least 40cs behind their jungler.
Also, for some reason I just can't snowball the lanes I'm helping, I give a kill or two to top lane, and he gets destroyed anyway (nasus died to riven twice in 2 mins). Riven is a hard matchup for Nasus. He fucked up hardcore if he gets smashed when given a couple early kills.
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nasus got smashed, not riven
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