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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 25 2013 10:11 caelym wrote: That was what I was thinking but I don't think the teams have any collective bargaining power and not being included because you wanted a higher cut is too risky. But they can say "hey if you want to support the team subscribe to our stream instead! at least we get 50% of the cut off subscription, and you get more bonuses!; but sure if you only want the icon and don't' care about teams, then go ahead and do that..." | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On June 25 2013 10:19 wei2coolman wrote: But they can say "hey if you want to support the team subscribe to our stream instead! at least we get 50% of the cut off subscription, and you get more bonuses!; but sure if you only want the icon and don't' care about teams, then go ahead and do that..." Or...Do both. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On June 25 2013 10:11 caelym wrote: That was what I was thinking but I don't think the teams have any collective bargaining power and not being included because you wanted a higher cut is too risky. It's probably an all or nothing move. You are either with Riot, or the icon is not featured at all. Then people ask why a team was left out, and they find out that the team declined their offer. The reason for declining == money == greedy unappreciative team. gg. It's just one of the possible scenario for a team who might decline the offer for their tags on LoL. Also, honestly, it's free money to the teams. As pointed out here, there's no way a lot of these teams are organized enough to ask for more money in a manner that Riot would consider it. It's Riot's show, and they don't lose anything from removing a team from the icon list. On June 25 2013 10:19 Erasme wrote: ok so i just created my account, what do i have to do to play with my higher levels friends ? Lvl3? What do you mean? Unless it's changed, you just ask your friends to play with you. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On June 25 2013 10:19 Erasme wrote: ok so i just created my account, what do i have to do to play with my higher levels friends ? Lvl3? When you join a matchmade game you simply click on the option that says "i will invite my friends." You can't play ranked games until you're lvl 30, however. You'll also be at a disadvantage because mastery points and summoner spells unlock per level, not to mention you're smaller champion pool and lack of runes. Still, normal games are generally pretty laid back and easy unless you run into tryhard smurfs. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
It is likely better than the % of revenue Crichton got for the original Jurassic Park movie, for instance. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On June 25 2013 09:04 Fionn wrote: I mean, NA and Eu have "subs", but it really just means a player they use if another player is sick, busy doing something else, or is about to get kicked/benched and due to roster freezing, they have no other option. Back when the scene was basically weekend three day tournaments, scouting and preparing for a specific team really wasn't needed. You could take a guess who you might face, but it'd be stupid to focus your entire efforts on a single team when you don't know how the bracket will line up. Now, in all five regions, teams know who they are facing every single week and have a week to two to prepare. The biggest reason Ozone are the Korean champions and Blaze isn't is because of how well Ozone were prepared for Blaze's strategies. You can't really blame Blaze for not changing anything, having won thirteen in a row and two of those games against the very same Ozone team. If they had changed strategies, champions, etc., and then would have lost, the backlash would have been monumental, demanding why a team who was so perfect decided to change things up. With teams having so much time to prepare, teams are going to get broken down. With every team playing 30+ games a season, every team around the world is able to look at your strategies, favorite champions and have a good amount of time to try and find a counter. Throwing subs into the mix, it gives you 6+ new champions per sub that you can use, and depending on the player, it might give you a radically different team composition. You could have a very farm heavy, passive top laner who looks to dominate in the late game, or you could have an uber aggressive, tower diving top laner who wants to snowball early. I could see it coming to a point where teams are even allowed to sub in players during BoX series, bringing the mind games and tactics to a whole new level, making every game of a series different and thought out before going in. I'm really hesitant when it comes to abusing the seven team member rule to the fullest. It might eventually reach the point where opposing teams care as much about the possible player compositions as much as the champion compositions. It also might breed a special group of players who only train to take down the key members of an opposing team, instead of encouraging the growth of complete and versatile players. There's just a whole lot of paths this kind of policy might take if it is utilized to its fullest potential, and I'm not liking what I picture in my head. What if there are two players that practice specifically for a certain patch that will become defunct with time, while two of their substitutes practice on the current patch in preparation for the next group of games? Only the most ruthless, and financially well-off organizations will be able to make proper use of Riot's seven men policy. Ultimately, I fear it will be the death of the amateur scene, with talented players trying desperately to become the "seventh" member of a prestigious professional team with a clearly defined role, rather than trying to rise on his own as a complete player. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On June 25 2013 10:41 nafta wrote: Did voyboy just cancel shen ult with ghost or something?As an aspiring shen player this interests me :D. How likely is it that this gets patched out in the next patch? | ||
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Aldrovandi
United States211 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On June 25 2013 10:11 caelym wrote: That was what I was thinking but I don't think the teams have any collective bargaining power and not being included because you wanted a higher cut is too risky. But I am fairly sure the teams own their logos, so you can't just use them in a commercial venture without some sort of agreement. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On June 25 2013 09:04 Fionn wrote: I mean, NA and Eu have "subs", but it really just means a player they use if another player is sick, busy doing something else, or is about to get kicked/benched and due to roster freezing, they have no other option. Back when the scene was basically weekend three day tournaments, scouting and preparing for a specific team really wasn't needed. You could take a guess who you might face, but it'd be stupid to focus your entire efforts on a single team when you don't know how the bracket will line up. Now, in all five regions, teams know who they are facing every single week and have a week to two to prepare. The biggest reason Ozone are the Korean champions and Blaze isn't is because of how well Ozone were prepared for Blaze's strategies. You can't really blame Blaze for not changing anything, having won thirteen in a row and two of those games against the very same Ozone team. If they had changed strategies, champions, etc., and then would have lost, the backlash would have been monumental, demanding why a team who was so perfect decided to change things up. With teams having so much time to prepare, teams are going to get broken down. With every team playing 30+ games a season, every team around the world is able to look at your strategies, favorite champions and have a good amount of time to try and find a counter. Throwing subs into the mix, it gives you 6+ new champions per sub that you can use, and depending on the player, it might give you a radically different team composition. You could have a very farm heavy, passive top laner who looks to dominate in the late game, or you could have an uber aggressive, tower diving top laner who wants to snowball early. I could see it coming to a point where teams are even allowed to sub in players during BoX series, bringing the mind games and tactics to a whole new level, making every game of a series different and thought out before going in. Coast can sub in Jintae any time they want to play Ori lol. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On June 25 2013 11:21 onlywonderboy wrote: Coast can sub in Jintae any time they want to play Ori lol. Doesn't really work if the other teams know Jintae likes Ori, they'd just ban it out or outpick it. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On June 25 2013 11:22 zodde wrote: Doesn't really work if the other teams know Jintae likes Ori, they'd just ban it out or outpick it. Tell that to CLG huehuehue. It was more of a joke than a serious comment, clearly they would need to have more strengths than just one champ. | ||
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Kaldr
Australia67 Posts
On June 25 2013 07:47 Lord Tolkien wrote: AD Runes also have a very slight early game advantage (like +2-4ish damage/5% per AA, levels 1-5/6ish, before first buy). And as you said, really easy last hitting. ArPen Runes however scale very well with champions with alot of physical spell damage (pen for the base damage), and begins overtaking AD Runes in pure AA damage after the first buys (say Dorans+Vamp at level 6/7ish, or a BF). Or, for instance, if you plan on making use of BotRK and getting LW (given that flat pen now scales with instead of against %pen). So I think the trade off is: do you want 1) easy last hits and a slightly stronger early game, or 2) a modest (to good, with heavy phys spell damage) increase in mid/end game damage? I'm a bit late, but another trade off that you should consider is that AD runes allow for better pushing of the wave. So try to think about the matchups where its favorable to do this e.g Caitlyn vs Ezreal and possibly take AD runes on champions where the opposing laner is likely to force this situation onto you so its easier to deal with (mainly talking about botlane here). | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
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c.Deadly
United States545 Posts
On June 25 2013 10:31 nosliw wrote: Did they remove the Lore tab from the champion info? tabs are on the left now | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
They may as well have removed it, given how little Riot seems to care, lol | ||
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