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On June 25 2013 05:10 overt wrote:
Oh and the most exciting game of all is the sequel to Link to the Past.
Wait, what? O_o
As for the champs, well, thanks for the responses so far to begin with. I mentioned the champs I was hesitating between and a bit of their characteristics in hopes of being clearer about what I "need" compared to Viktor.
Lissandra's range seems pretty short, and while she truly is a thing of beauty when well-played, I don't have much practice with her yet and she gives me the impression that I'd have the same issue of punishing long-range farmers as with Viktor (read: if I hit every single E I'll end up killing them but they're still super safe from him and it prevents me from shoving and roaming).
Ahri I simply don't own and I've decided to limit myself to those I own for now (otherwise Kennen/Diana/Ahri would have been candidates too and I've got already enough).
Karma has the same "problem" as Ryze, which is that I enjoy the general gameplay rather than the execution. The whole "be unkillable while wearing you down with low CD nukes". I don't deny that she's strong, just that she isn't as challenging/fulfilling than the others (well I suck at assessing Q's range so there's still that x) ).
Zyra relies a lot on her seeds to zone, and I'm not a fan of the positional play it involves for the player (what with E being directional). Also, despite her plants dealing a whole truck of damage, the way it's done makes me feel uninvolved: it's too "passive" for me compared to dropping Gravity Field in a way to trap a nimble champ and landing a free Death Ray, for example. Plus I really like for ult for the zoning/splitting potential, and if I do that while playing her mid I'll just end up wasting a lot of damage. 
I guess Orianna is the easiest choice since she's such a safe and versatile pick. Her playstyle feels a bit "tame" in comparison to Cass and Syndra though, in that landing a Q doesn't feel as impactful (she's better at straight-up zoning than punishing a mistake like these two do). Maybe because to keep with her safety, her risk/reward ratio is lower. On the other hand it may be that since I'm worse at Cass/Syndra than Ori/Brand, I don't land spells as often so I feel better when I do.
(Morgana always satisfying tho, Dark Binding's wind-up is such a bitch.)
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I played a few AD kennens recently, I like it a lot
AP Kennen seems so weak to me, but I'm clearly doing it wrong.
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On June 25 2013 06:00 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:50 Slayer91 wrote:On June 25 2013 05:27 wei2coolman wrote:
Ughhhhhhhh. Watching Dyrus playing Kennen makes me want to slam my face into my desk. He blows his W cooldown so early, right after he gets a mark >.<
Does he note know you hold onto the cooldown to keep the reset on the mark of storm? irks me to no end. you dont have to, quicker harass and you can refresh with the next w ideally if he wants harass more than he wants just to hit a stun it makes sense, if he doesnt use W early then when the marks about 1/2 gone the guy just backs out of range and it resets completely Yeah, ever since they lowered the range on W-activation, and even moreso with lower mark duration, if you don't jam it immediately, it's very likely that the opponent isn't going to let you have a chance to hit it at all.
Then if they run away, you force them off creeps; and you also get easy Q land. Holding W for a good 1-2 seconds is almost always optimal in lane.
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is there a reason people suddenly start playing rengar top, like I just had 3 games in a row with a useless rengar top and unfortunately 2 of them were in my team ruining my diamond promo.
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he's a pretty funly designed champ and you can troll around in lane jumping and healing and then get mobility boots and roam
he's pretty bad, but i can see why ppl want to play him
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On June 25 2013 06:15 AsnSensation wrote:
is there a reason people suddenly start playing rengar top, like I just had 3 games in a row with a useless rengar top and unfortunately 2 of them were in my team ruining my diamond promo.
triple q tutorial frontpaged on reddit a couple days ago
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On June 25 2013 06:23 Slayer91 wrote:
he's a pretty funly designed champ and you can troll around in lane jumping and healing and then get mobility boots and roam
he's pretty bad, but i can see why ppl want to play him
if the jungler can secure him first blood his lane can get kinda silly.
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On June 25 2013 06:23 Slayer91 wrote:
he's a pretty funly designed champ and you can troll around in lane jumping and healing and then get mobility boots and roam
he's pretty bad, but i can see why ppl want to play him
But if he gets snowballing, he's about as bad as prenerf eve was in terms of getting to an item, a couple kills, and then proceeding to oneshot somebody from stealth with about .5 seconds warning.
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On June 25 2013 06:12 Masq wrote:I played a few AD kennens recently, I like it a lot AP Kennen seems so weak to me, but I'm clearly doing it wrong.
get ad quints and 2 dorans and then go ap
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On June 25 2013 06:12 Masq wrote:I played a few AD kennens recently, I like it a lot AP Kennen seems so weak to me, but I'm clearly doing it wrong.
AP kennen is strong mid-game. His earlygame is actually quite weak because he cannot bully very hard with auto's because of how he can't auto quite as much due to the relative damage of creeps. A lot of kennen's power against melee's early on is that he can play insanely aggressive and chase with autoattacks because he can disengage very easily if something goes sour so long as a mark is up, and he has cooldowns available.
Dblade start kennen is really strong against certain lanes, just have to save second skill point until you see jungler, or have somebody ward for you. One or two, and then go bruiser AP items(abyssal, rylai, hourglass). Not as much insta-teamfight win as an AP kennen with fast hourglass, but you should be so much stronger relative to your lane opponent who you crushed with AD kennen, that you'll win teamfights anyways.
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Kennen in a nutshell:
He was extremely strong AP, and got nerfed and disappeared for a while. His weakness was that as a caster, he can't clear waves safely, and is reliant on hitting his Q to trade well in lane, so a lot of top laners with a gap closer could bully him.
Then people realized that, to get around that weakness, you just have to start with AD runes/masteries and a Doran and auto the shit out of the other guy in lane, and for some matchups max W instead of Q to further cement lane control. There are very few melee who lane well vs Kennen b/c of his split phy/magic damage, escape in E, and guaranteed stun proc if you ever use your gap closer (b/c Q is no longer his primary harass tool and can be saved to proc stun).
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Since there's no Pantheon thread, what runes/masteries do people run on him? 21/9 with armor yellow and mr blues feels obvious, but I dunno whether AD or ArPen marks/quins are best for the early laning (lvl 1-5). What items do people usually go? I just build 1-2 Dorans early and then Hex drinker/BC/LW + defensive item somewhere.
Edit: Forgot to ask, does his ad ratio bonus on his E also double against champions or is the double only on the base damage?
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On June 25 2013 06:52 Potatisodlaren wrote:
I dunno whether AD or ArPen marks/quins are best for the early laning (lvl 1-5).
AD runes are generally for last hitting, and ArPen is for harassing and for more kill potential.
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On June 25 2013 06:52 Potatisodlaren wrote:
Since there's no Pantheon thread, what runes/masteries do people run on him? 21/9 with armor yellow and mr blues feels obvious, but I dunno whether AD or ArPen marks/quins are best for the early laning (lvl 1-5). What items do people usually go? I just build 1-2 Dorans early and then Hex drinker/BC/LW + defensive item somewhere.
Edit: Forgot to ask, does his ad ratio bonus on his E also double against champions or is the double only on the base damage?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=258275
For how much effort Mogwai put into that thread, read it and you will understand the champ a lot better. Plus the 47 pages of talk to helps.
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On June 25 2013 06:52 Potatisodlaren wrote:
Since there's no Pantheon thread, what runes/masteries do people run on him? 21/9 with armor yellow and mr blues feels obvious, but I dunno whether AD or ArPen marks/quins are best for the early laning (lvl 1-5). What items do people usually go? I just build 1-2 Dorans early and then Hex drinker/BC/LW + defensive item somewhere.
Edit: Forgot to ask, does his ad ratio bonus on his E also double against champions or is the double only on the base damage?
I treat him like a Riven and only build 1 defensive item and only if you really, really need it. Dorans, brut and then like BT/LW rush.
edit: Poster above me points out the obvious and that there is a Pantheon thread.
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There is a Pantheon thread, however the default setting is that only the threads with posts from less than 14 days ago will be displayed, so use the search function or change the 14 days setting (scrollbar at the bottom of the (sub-)forum index page) to make all threads appear.
I personally go ArPen marks and AD quints, easy last hitting (esp. once you get a point in E) and the ArPen helps deal more damage since it works with his good base damage too.
And yes, the E AD ratio is doubled too (cf. the LoL wiki). It trucks people that much. But it's channeled so they can interrupt it or walk out of it, and the range isn't huge.
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On June 25 2013 07:01 Alaric wrote:There is a Pantheon thread, however the default setting is that only the threads with posts from less than 14 days ago will be displayed, so use the search function or change the 14 days setting (scrollbar at the bottom of the (sub-)forum index page) to make all threads appear.
Thanks didn't know that. Feel dumb now 
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On June 25 2013 07:03 Potatisodlaren wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 07:01 Alaric wrote:There is a Pantheon thread, however the default setting is that only the threads with posts from less than 14 days ago will be displayed, so use the search function or change the 14 days setting (scrollbar at the bottom of the (sub-)forum index page) to make all threads appear. Thanks didn't know that. Feel dumb now
Just search "Pantheon".
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dota doesn't sell icons tho
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