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On June 25 2013 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:18 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 25 2013 05:14 mordek wrote:
30 IP until I get my second lifesteal quint. Aren't most adc's running 2 with 1 ad quint? Yes, last I saw anyway. I think it was an interview with some KR ADC, Imp possibly. Welp fine with me, I can save up 2k IP to finish off the last 5 champs I don't own....like Yorick....shudder
Yorick is a truly fun champion. The new items make him strong too. I liked him in season 2, I love him in season 3.
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On June 25 2013 05:24 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 25 2013 05:18 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 25 2013 05:14 mordek wrote:
30 IP until I get my second lifesteal quint. Aren't most adc's running 2 with 1 ad quint? Yes, last I saw anyway. I think it was an interview with some KR ADC, Imp possibly. Welp fine with me, I can save up 2k IP to finish off the last 5 champs I don't own....like Yorick....shudder Yorick is a truly fun champion. The new items make him strong too. I liked him in season 2, I love him in season 3.
You're a bad person
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On June 25 2013 05:16 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:10 cLutZ wrote:On June 25 2013 04:57 Requizen wrote:On June 25 2013 04:49 cLutZ wrote:On June 25 2013 03:27 thenexusp wrote:On June 25 2013 01:17 Parametric wrote:
I want to play some pokemon, i don't own any pokemon games besides Soul Silver and I've never played any games beyond SS/HG, what should i buy?
Pref to avoid spoilers pls Black/white is pretty fun. I guess black/white 2 came out but I never got those since they seemed to similar to black/white I'd generally get the newest pokemon available (you said you have SS so I assume you own a DS already), since they make small improvements to the engine each generation, and they're pretty minor things but you will notice if you play a really new game vs. a really old game. Like how starting in B/W they made TMs reusable (like HMs) and now I can't stand TMs from older games anymore. In general Pokemon doesn't get worse* (since they basically reuse the same formula every time) and anyone that says that it does is just living false nostalgia.
* except for the massive surfing section in R/S/E, like man, what the hell Eh. A lot of the added "complexity" of the newer games doesn't enhance the experience at all. On the battle side I find entrance hazards a bit tedious. Its a bit like L-Cancelling in Melle (Caution, unpopular opinion incoming). Yes I can do it, yes it helps separate scrubs from elite players, but no it doesn't really add new things to the game like wavedashing does (IMO it should just be automatic). And it pisses you off for the first hour you play Melle after a long break (then you have to stop playing anyways because it fatigues your hands at like twice the rate you otherwise would have). Some of the other out of combat stuff is also annoying. Like needing to get tons of happiness on Eevee just to get some of the evolutions. Is there anything less fun than happiness farming? You can happiness farm by having them in combat though? Or just buy Vitamins and boost stats at the same time. I like a lot of the outside stuff. I liked the underground digging thing in 4, I like hatching eggs (unless you're doing really grindy shit like shiny farming, it's fun having an egg and eventually while adventuring it hatches), berry farming kind of sucked, but whatever. Contests are balls to me, but I know that a lot of people liked them, and I spent so much time in Game Corners over the last decade or so. Vitiamin spamming is super lame as well, and if you are evolving an Eevee, the learnset can be screwed up if you level it too much pre-evolution. In any case, I usually just disfavor things that are grindy/mandatory. Like buying runes in LOL. Well any RPG is going to be grindy at some point or another. Except TWEWY, since you could just adjust your level to fuck with the game. Also holy shit there's a 9 Hours 9 Persons 9 Doors sequel for 3DS? Fuck. Yes.
Understood, I just prefer a grind that is more, for lack of a better word, "natural". I.E. leveling up in WoW's TBC was really fluid, whereas, originally, the jump from normal > heroic dungeons was ridiculous.
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Guys does spell vamp proc off kayles E?
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Ughhhhhhhh. Watching Dyrus playing Kennen makes me want to slam my face into my desk. He blows his W cooldown so early, right after he gets a mark >.<
Does he note know you hold onto the cooldown to keep the reset on the mark of storm? irks me to no end.
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On June 25 2013 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:18 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 25 2013 05:14 mordek wrote:
30 IP until I get my second lifesteal quint. Aren't most adc's running 2 with 1 ad quint? Yes, last I saw anyway. I think it was an interview with some KR ADC, Imp possibly. Welp fine with me, I can save up 2k IP to finish off the last 5 champs I don't own....like Yorick....shudder
Glad to be the bearer of good news!
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On June 25 2013 05:26 ArchAngelSC wrote:
Guys does spell vamp proc off kayles E?
"Righteous Fury procs spell vamp and Rylai's slow similarly with all area of effect spells and abilities with diminished effect."
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On June 25 2013 05:23 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:18 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 25 2013 05:14 mordek wrote:
30 IP until I get my second lifesteal quint. Aren't most adc's running 2 with 1 ad quint? Yes, last I saw anyway. I think it was an interview with some KR ADC, Imp possibly. On June 25 2013 05:16 Requizen wrote:On June 25 2013 05:10 cLutZ wrote:On June 25 2013 04:57 Requizen wrote:On June 25 2013 04:49 cLutZ wrote:On June 25 2013 03:27 thenexusp wrote:On June 25 2013 01:17 Parametric wrote:
I want to play some pokemon, i don't own any pokemon games besides Soul Silver and I've never played any games beyond SS/HG, what should i buy?
Pref to avoid spoilers pls Black/white is pretty fun. I guess black/white 2 came out but I never got those since they seemed to similar to black/white I'd generally get the newest pokemon available (you said you have SS so I assume you own a DS already), since they make small improvements to the engine each generation, and they're pretty minor things but you will notice if you play a really new game vs. a really old game. Like how starting in B/W they made TMs reusable (like HMs) and now I can't stand TMs from older games anymore. In general Pokemon doesn't get worse* (since they basically reuse the same formula every time) and anyone that says that it does is just living false nostalgia.
* except for the massive surfing section in R/S/E, like man, what the hell Eh. A lot of the added "complexity" of the newer games doesn't enhance the experience at all. On the battle side I find entrance hazards a bit tedious. Its a bit like L-Cancelling in Melle (Caution, unpopular opinion incoming). Yes I can do it, yes it helps separate scrubs from elite players, but no it doesn't really add new things to the game like wavedashing does (IMO it should just be automatic). And it pisses you off for the first hour you play Melle after a long break (then you have to stop playing anyways because it fatigues your hands at like twice the rate you otherwise would have). Some of the other out of combat stuff is also annoying. Like needing to get tons of happiness on Eevee just to get some of the evolutions. Is there anything less fun than happiness farming? You can happiness farm by having them in combat though? Or just buy Vitamins and boost stats at the same time. I like a lot of the outside stuff. I liked the underground digging thing in 4, I like hatching eggs (unless you're doing really grindy shit like shiny farming, it's fun having an egg and eventually while adventuring it hatches), berry farming kind of sucked, but whatever. Contests are balls to me, but I know that a lot of people liked them, and I spent so much time in Game Corners over the last decade or so. Vitiamin spamming is super lame as well, and if you are evolving an Eevee, the learnset can be screwed up if you level it too much pre-evolution. In any case, I usually just disfavor things that are grindy/mandatory. Like buying runes in LOL. Well any RPG is going to be grindy at some point or another. Except TWEWY, since you could just adjust your level to fuck with the game. Also holy shit there's a 9 Hours 9 Persons 9 Doors sequel for 3DS? Fuck. Yes. It's a crime I still haven't played it yet. Now we just need a TWEWY sequel and I'm set forever. 999 is one of my favorite VNs of all time. Mainly because I haven't really played any other mystery ones. It had its faults, but I'm hyped as hell to go get this new one + Show Spoiler +and let it set on my unplayed games shelf next to 20 other games
There is even a free demo to download for Virtue's Last Reward (999 sequel).
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On June 25 2013 05:26 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:24 Zdrastochye wrote:On June 25 2013 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 25 2013 05:18 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 25 2013 05:14 mordek wrote:
30 IP until I get my second lifesteal quint. Aren't most adc's running 2 with 1 ad quint? Yes, last I saw anyway. I think it was an interview with some KR ADC, Imp possibly. Welp fine with me, I can save up 2k IP to finish off the last 5 champs I don't own....like Yorick....shudder Yorick is a truly fun champion. The new items make him strong too. I liked him in season 2, I love him in season 3. You're a bad person
TL bias is false bias.
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On June 25 2013 05:31 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:26 Requizen wrote:On June 25 2013 05:24 Zdrastochye wrote:On June 25 2013 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 25 2013 05:18 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 25 2013 05:14 mordek wrote:
30 IP until I get my second lifesteal quint. Aren't most adc's running 2 with 1 ad quint? Yes, last I saw anyway. I think it was an interview with some KR ADC, Imp possibly. Welp fine with me, I can save up 2k IP to finish off the last 5 champs I don't own....like Yorick....shudder Yorick is a truly fun champion. The new items make him strong too. I liked him in season 2, I love him in season 3. You're a bad person TL bias is false bias.
Top lane player bias is factually correct bias.
On June 25 2013 05:31 XaCez wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:23 Requizen wrote:On June 25 2013 05:18 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 25 2013 05:14 mordek wrote:
30 IP until I get my second lifesteal quint. Aren't most adc's running 2 with 1 ad quint? Yes, last I saw anyway. I think it was an interview with some KR ADC, Imp possibly. On June 25 2013 05:16 Requizen wrote:On June 25 2013 05:10 cLutZ wrote:On June 25 2013 04:57 Requizen wrote:On June 25 2013 04:49 cLutZ wrote:On June 25 2013 03:27 thenexusp wrote:On June 25 2013 01:17 Parametric wrote:
I want to play some pokemon, i don't own any pokemon games besides Soul Silver and I've never played any games beyond SS/HG, what should i buy?
Pref to avoid spoilers pls Black/white is pretty fun. I guess black/white 2 came out but I never got those since they seemed to similar to black/white I'd generally get the newest pokemon available (you said you have SS so I assume you own a DS already), since they make small improvements to the engine each generation, and they're pretty minor things but you will notice if you play a really new game vs. a really old game. Like how starting in B/W they made TMs reusable (like HMs) and now I can't stand TMs from older games anymore. In general Pokemon doesn't get worse* (since they basically reuse the same formula every time) and anyone that says that it does is just living false nostalgia.
* except for the massive surfing section in R/S/E, like man, what the hell Eh. A lot of the added "complexity" of the newer games doesn't enhance the experience at all. On the battle side I find entrance hazards a bit tedious. Its a bit like L-Cancelling in Melle (Caution, unpopular opinion incoming). Yes I can do it, yes it helps separate scrubs from elite players, but no it doesn't really add new things to the game like wavedashing does (IMO it should just be automatic). And it pisses you off for the first hour you play Melle after a long break (then you have to stop playing anyways because it fatigues your hands at like twice the rate you otherwise would have). Some of the other out of combat stuff is also annoying. Like needing to get tons of happiness on Eevee just to get some of the evolutions. Is there anything less fun than happiness farming? You can happiness farm by having them in combat though? Or just buy Vitamins and boost stats at the same time. I like a lot of the outside stuff. I liked the underground digging thing in 4, I like hatching eggs (unless you're doing really grindy shit like shiny farming, it's fun having an egg and eventually while adventuring it hatches), berry farming kind of sucked, but whatever. Contests are balls to me, but I know that a lot of people liked them, and I spent so much time in Game Corners over the last decade or so. Vitiamin spamming is super lame as well, and if you are evolving an Eevee, the learnset can be screwed up if you level it too much pre-evolution. In any case, I usually just disfavor things that are grindy/mandatory. Like buying runes in LOL. Well any RPG is going to be grindy at some point or another. Except TWEWY, since you could just adjust your level to fuck with the game. Also holy shit there's a 9 Hours 9 Persons 9 Doors sequel for 3DS? Fuck. Yes. It's a crime I still haven't played it yet. Now we just need a TWEWY sequel and I'm set forever. 999 is one of my favorite VNs of all time. Mainly because I haven't really played any other mystery ones. It had its faults, but I'm hyped as hell to go get this new one + Show Spoiler +and let it set on my unplayed games shelf next to 20 other games There is even a free demo to download for Virtue's Last Reward (999 sequel).
In the 3DS store? Tight.
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On June 25 2013 05:27 wei2coolman wrote:
Ughhhhhhhh. Watching Dyrus playing Kennen makes me want to slam my face into my desk. He blows his W cooldown so early, right after he gets a mark >.<
Does he note know you hold onto the cooldown to keep the reset on the mark of storm? irks me to no end.
or he can use the cooldown right away to do more damage against opponents he doesn't think he will be stunning/thinks he can stun anyways/doesn't really care about stunning
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On June 25 2013 05:10 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 04:57 Requizen wrote:On June 25 2013 04:49 cLutZ wrote:On June 25 2013 03:27 thenexusp wrote:On June 25 2013 01:17 Parametric wrote:
I want to play some pokemon, i don't own any pokemon games besides Soul Silver and I've never played any games beyond SS/HG, what should i buy?
Pref to avoid spoilers pls Black/white is pretty fun. I guess black/white 2 came out but I never got those since they seemed to similar to black/white I'd generally get the newest pokemon available (you said you have SS so I assume you own a DS already), since they make small improvements to the engine each generation, and they're pretty minor things but you will notice if you play a really new game vs. a really old game. Like how starting in B/W they made TMs reusable (like HMs) and now I can't stand TMs from older games anymore. In general Pokemon doesn't get worse* (since they basically reuse the same formula every time) and anyone that says that it does is just living false nostalgia.
* except for the massive surfing section in R/S/E, like man, what the hell Eh. A lot of the added "complexity" of the newer games doesn't enhance the experience at all. On the battle side I find entrance hazards a bit tedious. Its a bit like L-Cancelling in Melle (Caution, unpopular opinion incoming). Yes I can do it, yes it helps separate scrubs from elite players, but no it doesn't really add new things to the game like wavedashing does (IMO it should just be automatic). And it pisses you off for the first hour you play Melle after a long break (then you have to stop playing anyways because it fatigues your hands at like twice the rate you otherwise would have). Some of the other out of combat stuff is also annoying. Like needing to get tons of happiness on Eevee just to get some of the evolutions. Is there anything less fun than happiness farming? You can happiness farm by having them in combat though? Or just buy Vitamins and boost stats at the same time. I like a lot of the outside stuff. I liked the underground digging thing in 4, I like hatching eggs (unless you're doing really grindy shit like shiny farming, it's fun having an egg and eventually while adventuring it hatches), berry farming kind of sucked, but whatever. Contests are balls to me, but I know that a lot of people liked them, and I spent so much time in Game Corners over the last decade or so. Vitiamin spamming is super lame as well, and if you are evolving an Eevee, the learnset can be screwed up if you level it too much pre-evolution. In any case, I usually just disfavor things that are grindy/mandatory. Like buying runes in LOL.
Yeah Pokemon has been grindy since the beginning of time. They're starting to move away from this though, with gen 5's scaling EXP based on the level difference (you gain more EXP the lower level your pokemon is compared to the opponent) and the Power items that let you gain EVs ~five times faster than normal
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it really pains me to see redditors rush to Chaox's defense after he took a huge dump on the scene with his retirement video. I don't know why I even visit that forum sometimes.
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On June 25 2013 05:34 Slusher wrote:
it really pains me to see redditors rush to Chaox's defense after he took a huge dump on the scene with his retirement video. I don't know why I even visit that forum sometimes.
For the funny videos and to be updated on the drama.
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pokemon is only grindy if you want it to be, just running through games for gym/league completion doesn't take long at all and is still very fun. plus if you like battling, then online simulators are grind free and a much better competitive environment than cartridges anyways
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On June 25 2013 05:33 Clinic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:27 wei2coolman wrote:
Ughhhhhhhh. Watching Dyrus playing Kennen makes me want to slam my face into my desk. He blows his W cooldown so early, right after he gets a mark >.<
Does he note know you hold onto the cooldown to keep the reset on the mark of storm? irks me to no end. or he can use the cooldown right away to do more damage against opponents he doesn't think he will be stunning/thinks he can stun anyways/doesn't really care about stunning
The difference is right after he blows the W cooldown he shoots out the Q.
When best order of operation is always to get stack with auto attacks; then try and hit Q, if that doesn't work. wait a few seconds. Blow W; then your 4 stack should be up again, for easy stun; or force them off.
You should never blow W right after getting mark of storm after auto attack. Enemies then only have to worry about your Q; not the rest of your kit. If you keep your W off cooldown, there's always a risk up; and gives you bigger window of stunning/forcing them off creeps.
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On June 25 2013 05:18 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:14 mordek wrote:
30 IP until I get my second lifesteal quint. Aren't most adc's running 2 with 1 ad quint? Yes, last I saw anyway. I think it was an interview with some KR ADC, Imp possibly. Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:16 Requizen wrote:On June 25 2013 05:10 cLutZ wrote:On June 25 2013 04:57 Requizen wrote:On June 25 2013 04:49 cLutZ wrote:On June 25 2013 03:27 thenexusp wrote:On June 25 2013 01:17 Parametric wrote:
I want to play some pokemon, i don't own any pokemon games besides Soul Silver and I've never played any games beyond SS/HG, what should i buy?
Pref to avoid spoilers pls Black/white is pretty fun. I guess black/white 2 came out but I never got those since they seemed to similar to black/white I'd generally get the newest pokemon available (you said you have SS so I assume you own a DS already), since they make small improvements to the engine each generation, and they're pretty minor things but you will notice if you play a really new game vs. a really old game. Like how starting in B/W they made TMs reusable (like HMs) and now I can't stand TMs from older games anymore. In general Pokemon doesn't get worse* (since they basically reuse the same formula every time) and anyone that says that it does is just living false nostalgia.
* except for the massive surfing section in R/S/E, like man, what the hell Eh. A lot of the added "complexity" of the newer games doesn't enhance the experience at all. On the battle side I find entrance hazards a bit tedious. Its a bit like L-Cancelling in Melle (Caution, unpopular opinion incoming). Yes I can do it, yes it helps separate scrubs from elite players, but no it doesn't really add new things to the game like wavedashing does (IMO it should just be automatic). And it pisses you off for the first hour you play Melle after a long break (then you have to stop playing anyways because it fatigues your hands at like twice the rate you otherwise would have). Some of the other out of combat stuff is also annoying. Like needing to get tons of happiness on Eevee just to get some of the evolutions. Is there anything less fun than happiness farming? You can happiness farm by having them in combat though? Or just buy Vitamins and boost stats at the same time. I like a lot of the outside stuff. I liked the underground digging thing in 4, I like hatching eggs (unless you're doing really grindy shit like shiny farming, it's fun having an egg and eventually while adventuring it hatches), berry farming kind of sucked, but whatever. Contests are balls to me, but I know that a lot of people liked them, and I spent so much time in Game Corners over the last decade or so. Vitiamin spamming is super lame as well, and if you are evolving an Eevee, the learnset can be screwed up if you level it too much pre-evolution. In any case, I usually just disfavor things that are grindy/mandatory. Like buying runes in LOL. Well any RPG is going to be grindy at some point or another. Except TWEWY, since you could just adjust your level to fuck with the game. Also holy shit there's a 9 Hours 9 Persons 9 Doors sequel for 3DS? Fuck. Yes. It's a crime I still haven't played it yet. Now we just need a TWEWY sequel and I'm set forever.
TWEWY is good enough as it is. I don't see why it would need a sequel.
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On June 25 2013 05:27 wei2coolman wrote:
Ughhhhhhhh. Watching Dyrus playing Kennen makes me want to slam my face into my desk. He blows his W cooldown so early, right after he gets a mark >.<
Does he note know you hold onto the cooldown to keep the reset on the mark of storm? irks me to no end.
you dont have to, quicker harass and you can refresh with the next w ideally
if he wants harass more than he wants just to hit a stun it makes sense, if he doesnt use W early then when the marks about 1/2 gone the guy just backs out of range and it resets completely
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On June 25 2013 05:49 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:18 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 25 2013 05:14 mordek wrote:
30 IP until I get my second lifesteal quint. Aren't most adc's running 2 with 1 ad quint? Yes, last I saw anyway. I think it was an interview with some KR ADC, Imp possibly. On June 25 2013 05:16 Requizen wrote:On June 25 2013 05:10 cLutZ wrote:On June 25 2013 04:57 Requizen wrote:On June 25 2013 04:49 cLutZ wrote:On June 25 2013 03:27 thenexusp wrote:On June 25 2013 01:17 Parametric wrote:
I want to play some pokemon, i don't own any pokemon games besides Soul Silver and I've never played any games beyond SS/HG, what should i buy?
Pref to avoid spoilers pls Black/white is pretty fun. I guess black/white 2 came out but I never got those since they seemed to similar to black/white I'd generally get the newest pokemon available (you said you have SS so I assume you own a DS already), since they make small improvements to the engine each generation, and they're pretty minor things but you will notice if you play a really new game vs. a really old game. Like how starting in B/W they made TMs reusable (like HMs) and now I can't stand TMs from older games anymore. In general Pokemon doesn't get worse* (since they basically reuse the same formula every time) and anyone that says that it does is just living false nostalgia.
* except for the massive surfing section in R/S/E, like man, what the hell Eh. A lot of the added "complexity" of the newer games doesn't enhance the experience at all. On the battle side I find entrance hazards a bit tedious. Its a bit like L-Cancelling in Melle (Caution, unpopular opinion incoming). Yes I can do it, yes it helps separate scrubs from elite players, but no it doesn't really add new things to the game like wavedashing does (IMO it should just be automatic). And it pisses you off for the first hour you play Melle after a long break (then you have to stop playing anyways because it fatigues your hands at like twice the rate you otherwise would have). Some of the other out of combat stuff is also annoying. Like needing to get tons of happiness on Eevee just to get some of the evolutions. Is there anything less fun than happiness farming? You can happiness farm by having them in combat though? Or just buy Vitamins and boost stats at the same time. I like a lot of the outside stuff. I liked the underground digging thing in 4, I like hatching eggs (unless you're doing really grindy shit like shiny farming, it's fun having an egg and eventually while adventuring it hatches), berry farming kind of sucked, but whatever. Contests are balls to me, but I know that a lot of people liked them, and I spent so much time in Game Corners over the last decade or so. Vitiamin spamming is super lame as well, and if you are evolving an Eevee, the learnset can be screwed up if you level it too much pre-evolution. In any case, I usually just disfavor things that are grindy/mandatory. Like buying runes in LOL. Well any RPG is going to be grindy at some point or another. Except TWEWY, since you could just adjust your level to fuck with the game. Also holy shit there's a 9 Hours 9 Persons 9 Doors sequel for 3DS? Fuck. Yes. It's a crime I still haven't played it yet. Now we just need a TWEWY sequel and I'm set forever. TWEWY is good enough as it is. I don't see why it would need a sequel.
I'd just be really interested to see where they go with one. Nomura said he'd work on it if KH:3D and the TWEWY characters in particular got good enough reception, so I just kind of want to see what the next step in the story would be, considering how it ended. Also, more games need gameplay of that caliber, it's one of the most innovative and fun games I've ever played.
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On June 25 2013 05:50 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:27 wei2coolman wrote:
Ughhhhhhhh. Watching Dyrus playing Kennen makes me want to slam my face into my desk. He blows his W cooldown so early, right after he gets a mark >.<
Does he note know you hold onto the cooldown to keep the reset on the mark of storm? irks me to no end. you dont have to, quicker harass and you can refresh with the next w ideally if he wants harass more than he wants just to hit a stun it makes sense, if he doesnt use W early then when the marks about 1/2 gone the guy just backs out of range and it resets completely
Yeah, ever since they lowered the range on W-activation, and even moreso with lower mark duration, if you don't jam it immediately, it's very likely that the opponent isn't going to let you have a chance to hit it at all.
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