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Brambled
Profile Joined July 2010
United States750 Posts
June 24 2013 18:28 GMT
#3641
On June 25 2013 01:31 Serelitz wrote:
So much hate! This thread hasn't had a proper derailment in too long anyway.

Last time I asked for food advice I got some amazing recipes so here goes; what's the best food for people who can't eat solids? Taking care of my little brother who has a throat infection atm but I've got nothing.

Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 01:17 Parametric wrote:
I want to play some pokemon, i don't own any pokemon games besides Soul Silver and I've never played any games beyond SS/HG, what should i buy?

Pref to avoid spoilers pls



I really liked the first gen remakes if you haven't played those yet (firered and something else).


Baby food/yogurts/smoothies
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
June 24 2013 18:38 GMT
#3642
I can send you a good Persian yoghurt recipe if you want something ethnic. It's basically yoghurt with fruit bits n' stuff in it.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
June 24 2013 18:48 GMT
#3643
I like the porridge my mom makes. Typical porridge base made by cooking rice/water, add minced meat, minced garlic/carrots/ spinach.
cool beans
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
June 24 2013 18:50 GMT
#3644
Vanilluxe is pretty good as well.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
June 24 2013 18:53 GMT
#3645
I'm cooking Ravioli at the moment. Shit's OP yo.
The legend of Darien lives on
Drium
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States888 Posts
June 24 2013 18:54 GMT
#3646
On June 25 2013 03:27 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 01:17 Parametric wrote:
I want to play some pokemon, i don't own any pokemon games besides Soul Silver and I've never played any games beyond SS/HG, what should i buy?

Pref to avoid spoilers pls

Black/white is pretty fun. I guess black/white 2 came out but I never got those since they seemed to similar to black/white

I'd generally get the newest pokemon available (you said you have SS so I assume you own a DS already), since they make small improvements to the engine each generation, and they're pretty minor things but you will notice if you play a really new game vs. a really old game. Like how starting in B/W they made TMs reusable (like HMs) and now I can't stand TMs from older games anymore. In general Pokemon doesn't get worse* (since they basically reuse the same formula every time) and anyone that says that it does is just living false nostalgia.



* except for the massive surfing section in R/S/E, like man, what the hell

Gen 3 is the best stealth rock ruined the game.
KwanROLLLLLLLED
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 18:56:34
June 24 2013 18:55 GMT
#3647
On June 25 2013 01:19 Aphasie wrote:
Is it just me or is the NA LCS wholly uninspiring? I mean the level of play just seems off. If you look at the C9 vs CLG game from this week. + Show Spoiler +
CLG starts off with double FB with assists on everyone at 2:00 and the state of the game after 9:00 is like this.

Top: Jayce vs Kennen. Jayce with FB is down 48 vs 73 cs AND 30% turret damage after no less than 3 ganks. Kennen had none.
Mid: FB Ori vs Zed 70 vs 53, which is fine i guess.
Jungle: 2 assist Elise vs Lee Sin is down 46 vs. 21 cs AND lvl 5 vs 6
Bot 2 assist Janna/Trist vs Ez/Lulu i down 64 vs 53 cs AND a turret


I mean how is that humanly possible on in a professional game. You get miles ahead early game and cant stay even.

And the pretty boy commentator really grinds my gears. He speaks like he's half way retarded and for some reason speaks to his audience like they are even more retarded than him.

Is it just me? Am I overreacting? Or it it truly this bad...

C9's early game style picks were worth more gold in power than the early kills CLG got; that's why CLG got pressured on early game despite superior level 1.

Also "pretty boy commentator"; I think you have insecurity issues if that's what you're having issues with.

NA LCS level of play has been weak; but CLG games overall have been some of the most entertaining.
liftlift > tsm
Aphasie
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway474 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 19:14:12
June 24 2013 19:08 GMT
#3648
On June 25 2013 01:23 Perplex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 01:19 Aphasie wrote:
Is it just me or is the NA LCS wholly uninspiring? I mean the level of play just seems off. If you look at the C9 vs CLG game from this week. + Show Spoiler +
CLG starts off with double FB with assists on everyone at 2:00 and the state of the game after 9:00 is like this.

Top: Jayce vs Kennen. Jayce with FB is down 48 vs 73 cs AND 30% turret damage after no less than 3 ganks. Kennen had none.
Mid: FB Ori vs Zed 70 vs 53, which is fine i guess.
Jungle: 2 assist Elise vs Lee Sin is down 46 vs. 21 cs AND lvl 5 vs 6
Bot 2 assist Janna/Trist vs Ez/Lulu i down 64 vs 53 cs AND a turret


I mean how is that humanly possible on in a professional game. You get miles ahead early game and cant stay even.

And the pretty boy commentator really grinds my gears. He speaks like he's half way retarded and for some reason speaks to his audience like they are even more retarded than him.

Is it just me? Am I overreacting? Or it it truly this bad...


If you paid a little bit more attention or understood the game better, you wouldn't be so angry about the C9 vs CLG game. Jatt explains it perfectly here: http://na.lolesports.com/season3/split2/articles/jatt-breaks-down-clgs-strategy-c9s-first-loss


Granted he had a lvl which i didnt factor in. However Elise is a strong duelist especially when you factor in the Jayce shockblast back-up. She could have pushed Kennen back and given Jayce the farm and time he needed. What happened was that Jayce started pushing forward when the minions were on the turret and Elise came from behind the turret in 2 of the 3 ganks. This decreased their chance of success and deprived jayce of farm. If youre running a lane youre expecting to lose that hard, you should at least be like "let's cut our losses and baby-sit Jayce so he can get farm". They didnt do that.

Elise furtheremore was behind even after the free blue of Lee but she also tried to gank Zed, a champion with a built in flash. She could have babysat other lanes or farmed herself. I dont see how you can justify losing 3 out of 4 positions with double first blood even though your laning is weak.

But i have vented a bit and Im letting this go now...

PS! I have nothing against how "Kobe" looks. I didnt know his name and its by far the easiest way to single him out from the rest. Its how he talks I have an issue with. "Ah. Uhm. XXXXXXX" with both slow pronounciation and eons of time between words. Sounds like he's trying really hard at one of those 5th grade spelling-contests you yanks love so much
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
June 24 2013 19:19 GMT
#3649
On June 25 2013 02:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 02:33 c.Deadly wrote:
On June 25 2013 02:24 Nos- wrote:
On June 25 2013 02:07 c.Deadly wrote:
What do you guys think about a champion that has a form swap on a long cooldown? For instance, a melee champion with a suit of armor that gives her bonus resists and a moveset with good base damage, low scaling, and good utility, but her ultimate "sheds" her armor (doing AoE damage) and she becomes a melee assassin. I was also thinking that her passive would cause her to lose her armor at 20% HP and push back nearby enemies, which would create an interesting dynamic in 1v1s and jungle strategies. You could swap back to tank form after the ultimate's cooldown (>60s).

Would a champion like this even work in LoL?

so zero suit samus


I try to block all memories of SSBB from my mind


Project M, yo. All the good of Melee packed into the characters from Brawl. Tripping gone (except when you're playing against Diddy...), L-Canceling and Wavedashing back in.

It's free to download onto an SD card and play as long as you have Brawl. It's incredible amounts of fun (I looooooooooooove Wolf). Example: I loved Peach in Melee, and now her Side-B is actually explosive and useful.

Project M is so good. My roommates and I played the shit out of Melee last year so I'm excited to introduce them to Project M once the school year starts up again. Also weird note, it has to be a 2 gig or smaller SD card, which was harder to find than I expected.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
June 24 2013 19:21 GMT
#3650
On June 25 2013 04:19 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 02:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 25 2013 02:33 c.Deadly wrote:
On June 25 2013 02:24 Nos- wrote:
On June 25 2013 02:07 c.Deadly wrote:
What do you guys think about a champion that has a form swap on a long cooldown? For instance, a melee champion with a suit of armor that gives her bonus resists and a moveset with good base damage, low scaling, and good utility, but her ultimate "sheds" her armor (doing AoE damage) and she becomes a melee assassin. I was also thinking that her passive would cause her to lose her armor at 20% HP and push back nearby enemies, which would create an interesting dynamic in 1v1s and jungle strategies. You could swap back to tank form after the ultimate's cooldown (>60s).

Would a champion like this even work in LoL?

so zero suit samus


I try to block all memories of SSBB from my mind


Project M, yo. All the good of Melee packed into the characters from Brawl. Tripping gone (except when you're playing against Diddy...), L-Canceling and Wavedashing back in.

It's free to download onto an SD card and play as long as you have Brawl. It's incredible amounts of fun (I looooooooooooove Wolf). Example: I loved Peach in Melee, and now her Side-B is actually explosive and useful.

Project M is so good. My roommates and I played the shit out of Melee last year so I'm excited to introduce them to Project M once the school year starts up again. Also weird note, it has to be a 2 gig or smaller SD card, which was harder to find than I expected.

Buy a 3DS, you get a 2GB SD card with it (XL gives you 4GB); unless you have a Wii U you can always use the 3DS for the new Smash.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 24 2013 19:23 GMT
#3651
On June 25 2013 04:19 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 02:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 25 2013 02:33 c.Deadly wrote:
On June 25 2013 02:24 Nos- wrote:
On June 25 2013 02:07 c.Deadly wrote:
What do you guys think about a champion that has a form swap on a long cooldown? For instance, a melee champion with a suit of armor that gives her bonus resists and a moveset with good base damage, low scaling, and good utility, but her ultimate "sheds" her armor (doing AoE damage) and she becomes a melee assassin. I was also thinking that her passive would cause her to lose her armor at 20% HP and push back nearby enemies, which would create an interesting dynamic in 1v1s and jungle strategies. You could swap back to tank form after the ultimate's cooldown (>60s).

Would a champion like this even work in LoL?

so zero suit samus


I try to block all memories of SSBB from my mind


Project M, yo. All the good of Melee packed into the characters from Brawl. Tripping gone (except when you're playing against Diddy...), L-Canceling and Wavedashing back in.

It's free to download onto an SD card and play as long as you have Brawl. It's incredible amounts of fun (I looooooooooooove Wolf). Example: I loved Peach in Melee, and now her Side-B is actually explosive and useful.

Project M is so good. My roommates and I played the shit out of Melee last year so I'm excited to introduce them to Project M once the school year starts up again. Also weird note, it has to be a 2 gig or smaller SD card, which was harder to find than I expected.


Yeah, it's because of the hardware in the Wii I believe. It only accepts 2GB or fewer (just shows you how quickly memory capabilities have expanded in just the last few years haha).

Unfortunately, I'm now living on my own and don't have any friends within 1 hour of me that play. Even the friends I usually play with back home don't offer any consistent type of competition.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 19:27:14
June 24 2013 19:25 GMT
#3652
On June 25 2013 04:21 XaCez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 04:19 onlywonderboy wrote:
On June 25 2013 02:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 25 2013 02:33 c.Deadly wrote:
On June 25 2013 02:24 Nos- wrote:
On June 25 2013 02:07 c.Deadly wrote:
What do you guys think about a champion that has a form swap on a long cooldown? For instance, a melee champion with a suit of armor that gives her bonus resists and a moveset with good base damage, low scaling, and good utility, but her ultimate "sheds" her armor (doing AoE damage) and she becomes a melee assassin. I was also thinking that her passive would cause her to lose her armor at 20% HP and push back nearby enemies, which would create an interesting dynamic in 1v1s and jungle strategies. You could swap back to tank form after the ultimate's cooldown (>60s).

Would a champion like this even work in LoL?

so zero suit samus


I try to block all memories of SSBB from my mind


Project M, yo. All the good of Melee packed into the characters from Brawl. Tripping gone (except when you're playing against Diddy...), L-Canceling and Wavedashing back in.

It's free to download onto an SD card and play as long as you have Brawl. It's incredible amounts of fun (I looooooooooooove Wolf). Example: I loved Peach in Melee, and now her Side-B is actually explosive and useful.

Project M is so good. My roommates and I played the shit out of Melee last year so I'm excited to introduce them to Project M once the school year starts up again. Also weird note, it has to be a 2 gig or smaller SD card, which was harder to find than I expected.

Buy a 3DS, you get a 2GB SD card with it (XL gives you 4GB); unless you have a Wii U you can always use the 3DS for the new Smash.

I found one at a local used game store, but it's funny you mention that. I recently bought a 3DS and a bigger SD card for it and am giving the 2GB SD card to a friend so he can take Project M with him when he goes back to school xD
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 19:37:52
June 24 2013 19:35 GMT
#3653
TL!
I need you. Despite lacking a sexy hat. Viktor is great, Viktor is cool, Viktor is the nth coming of whatever blew your mind the n-1 previous times. But Viktor alone isn't enough.
We're still in a Starcraft forum after all, so I'm looking to expand, and other stuff involving pools. However I am not Max and I'd rather take things slowly.

So there are all those cool champions which I already own and love, because it'd be too easy to let you get away with "Play whatever you feel like playing". Something that doesn't make shoot my own foot, and also something that'd ideally complement Viktor well.
(Viktor: strong trading and pressure at early levels, impossible to push past level 7, good roaming, powerful poke/burst during his midgame peak which he reaches faster than most; low effective range, hugely ult-reliant, falls off earlier than most and somewhat hard, no instant cc (only an interrupt) nor initiation potential.)

Leaves me with Brand, Cassiopeia, Morgana, Orianna, Ryze, Swain, Syndra, Talon.
+ Show Spoiler +
  • Ryze isn't as fun (playstyle more than gameplay) and Talon is pretty binary, so I'm wary about relying on them.
  • The others are all vulnerable to mobility to an extent, Swain excepted. Brand, Cass, Swain have low effective/optimal-range and have trouble dealing with ranged pushers (Lux, etc.) once those get enough damage. Both weaknesses are shared with Viktor.
  • Cassiopeia, Syndra and to a lesser extent Orianna have a pretty high skill floor (but skill-ceiling, thus fun potential, too).
    Morgana and Swain are vulnerable to shove and have trouble farming once the teams start grouping.
  • Morgana, Cassiopeia and Orianna have game-changing ults. Morgana is more reliant on it than the others.
  • Syndra (depending on playstyle), Orianna (and a badly played Cassiopeia) lack huge initial burst, but their low cooldowns ensure a good sustained damage output that makes them scale well late game.
  • Either natively or with Rylai, they're all good at kiting and peeling for teammates from decent range.

Apart from the obvious stuff (weak to mobility so Kass/Ahri/etc. annoying, strong against early-level Lux/TF/etc., Orianna is a safe fp, yadda-yadda) I lack knowledge of match-ups and dynamics with those champs, and I'm not yet too sure about which are bad for Viktor (tbh unless you're facing LB or Veigar the enemy jungler has more impact than the match-up), so I'm not really sure which one would go well with him.

Who's a good candidate to cover my favourite cyborg's back? D:
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
June 24 2013 19:37 GMT
#3654
i maintain that an iceclimbers style champ would be totally badass
for those unfamiliar the character iceclimbers work as 2 of the same character where one is primary and the other is secondary. the primary is the one that casts the spells and the secondary casts the spell with like a 5-10 frame delay
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 24 2013 19:38 GMT
#3655
On June 25 2013 01:17 Parametric wrote:
I want to play some pokemon, i don't own any pokemon games besides Soul Silver and I've never played any games beyond SS/HG, what should i buy?

Pref to avoid spoilers pls

There isn't really "spoilers", since none of the games are connected except for B/W -> B2/W2.

I'd say each of the gens are worth playing, but gen 5 (Black and White + 2) definitely have the most fleshed out "story" of all of them. I personally like 4 because my favorite Pokemon are the Gible line, but 5 is for sure worth playing.

That said, looking around it's pretty cheap and easy to get a game from each gen. I had gens 3-5 sitting around and got Fire Red/Heart Gold for like 30 bucks total (and that included the pokewalker). I like owning each gen, though, I'm just that type of guy.
It's your boy Guzma!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 24 2013 19:45 GMT
#3656
On June 25 2013 04:35 Alaric wrote:
TL!
I need you. Despite lacking a sexy hat. Viktor is great, Viktor is cool, Viktor is the nth coming of whatever blew your mind the n-1 previous times. But Viktor alone isn't enough.
We're still in a Starcraft forum after all, so I'm looking to expand, and other stuff involving pools. However I am not Max and I'd rather take things slowly.

So there are all those cool champions which I already own and love, because it'd be too easy to let you get away with "Play whatever you feel like playing". Something that doesn't make shoot my own foot, and also something that'd ideally complement Viktor well.
(Viktor: strong trading and pressure at early levels, impossible to push past level 7, good roaming, powerful poke/burst during his midgame peak which he reaches faster than most; low effective range, hugely ult-reliant, falls off earlier than most and somewhat hard, no instant cc (only an interrupt) nor initiation potential.)

Leaves me with Brand, Cassiopeia, Morgana, Orianna, Ryze, Swain, Syndra, Talon.
+ Show Spoiler +
  • Ryze isn't as fun (playstyle more than gameplay) and Talon is pretty binary, so I'm wary about relying on them.
  • The others are all vulnerable to mobility to an extent, Swain excepted. Brand, Cass, Swain have low effective/optimal-range and have trouble dealing with ranged pushers (Lux, etc.) once those get enough damage. Both weaknesses are shared with Viktor.
  • Cassiopeia, Syndra and to a lesser extent Orianna have a pretty high skill floor (but skill-ceiling, thus fun potential, too).
    Morgana and Swain are vulnerable to shove and have trouble farming once the teams start grouping.
  • Morgana, Cassiopeia and Orianna have game-changing ults. Morgana is more reliant on it than the others.
  • Syndra (depending on playstyle), Orianna (and a badly played Cassiopeia) lack huge initial burst, but their low cooldowns ensure a good sustained damage output that makes them scale well late game.
  • Either natively or with Rylai, they're all good at kiting and peeling for teammates from decent range.

Apart from the obvious stuff (weak to mobility so Kass/Ahri/etc. annoying, strong against early-level Lux/TF/etc., Orianna is a safe fp, yadda-yadda) I lack knowledge of match-ups and dynamics with those champs, and I'm not yet too sure about which are bad for Viktor (tbh unless you're facing LB or Veigar the enemy jungler has more impact than the match-up), so I'm not really sure which one would go well with him.

Who's a good candidate to cover my favourite cyborg's back? D:


Zyra!

On June 25 2013 04:37 Frolossus wrote:
i maintain that an iceclimbers style champ would be totally badass
for those unfamiliar the character iceclimbers work as 2 of the same character where one is primary and the other is secondary. the primary is the one that casts the spells and the secondary casts the spell with like a 5-10 frame delay


Wobble wobble wobble...
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 24 2013 19:49 GMT
#3657
On June 25 2013 03:27 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 01:17 Parametric wrote:
I want to play some pokemon, i don't own any pokemon games besides Soul Silver and I've never played any games beyond SS/HG, what should i buy?

Pref to avoid spoilers pls

Black/white is pretty fun. I guess black/white 2 came out but I never got those since they seemed to similar to black/white

I'd generally get the newest pokemon available (you said you have SS so I assume you own a DS already), since they make small improvements to the engine each generation, and they're pretty minor things but you will notice if you play a really new game vs. a really old game. Like how starting in B/W they made TMs reusable (like HMs) and now I can't stand TMs from older games anymore. In general Pokemon doesn't get worse* (since they basically reuse the same formula every time) and anyone that says that it does is just living false nostalgia.



* except for the massive surfing section in R/S/E, like man, what the hell

Eh. A lot of the added "complexity" of the newer games doesn't enhance the experience at all.

On the battle side I find entrance hazards a bit tedious. Its a bit like L-Cancelling in Melle (Caution, unpopular opinion incoming). Yes I can do it, yes it helps separate scrubs from elite players, but no it doesn't really add new things to the game like wavedashing does (IMO it should just be automatic). And it pisses you off for the first hour you play Melle after a long break (then you have to stop playing anyways because it fatigues your hands at like twice the rate you otherwise would have).

Some of the other out of combat stuff is also annoying. Like needing to get tons of happiness on Eevee just to get some of the evolutions. Is there anything less fun than happiness farming?
Freeeeeeedom
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 24 2013 19:51 GMT
#3658
Nope. I own her and like to fail at playing her support from time to time (and I know of a certain stalker who cries every time he sees a non-mid Zyra or a non-jungle Elise—play less Kha and more Zyra yo, that I send him stalk you), but the way she uses her plants is definitely not my playstyle. I like Syndra/Cass/Ori more for this, even though I'm still pretty terrible at the first 2.

(And no, you can't chain it with a "Diana!" call. Why did she go from your sig btw?)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
LittLeLives
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States692 Posts
June 24 2013 19:52 GMT
#3659
Anyone have any builds or tips for Lissandra?
I'm playing a lot more mid recently and I wanted something to play when TF isn't available.
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
June 24 2013 19:53 GMT
#3660
On June 25 2013 04:35 Alaric wrote:
TL!
I need you. Despite lacking a sexy hat. Viktor is great, Viktor is cool, Viktor is the nth coming of whatever blew your mind the n-1 previous times. But Viktor alone isn't enough.
We're still in a Starcraft forum after all, so I'm looking to expand, and other stuff involving pools. However I am not Max and I'd rather take things slowly.

So there are all those cool champions which I already own and love, because it'd be too easy to let you get away with "Play whatever you feel like playing". Something that doesn't make shoot my own foot, and also something that'd ideally complement Viktor well.
(Viktor: strong trading and pressure at early levels, impossible to push past level 7, good roaming, powerful poke/burst during his midgame peak which he reaches faster than most; low effective range, hugely ult-reliant, falls off earlier than most and somewhat hard, no instant cc (only an interrupt) nor initiation potential.)

Leaves me with Brand, Cassiopeia, Morgana, Orianna, Ryze, Swain, Syndra, Talon.
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  • Ryze isn't as fun (playstyle more than gameplay) and Talon is pretty binary, so I'm wary about relying on them.
  • The others are all vulnerable to mobility to an extent, Swain excepted. Brand, Cass, Swain have low effective/optimal-range and have trouble dealing with ranged pushers (Lux, etc.) once those get enough damage. Both weaknesses are shared with Viktor.
  • Cassiopeia, Syndra and to a lesser extent Orianna have a pretty high skill floor (but skill-ceiling, thus fun potential, too).
    Morgana and Swain are vulnerable to shove and have trouble farming once the teams start grouping.
  • Morgana, Cassiopeia and Orianna have game-changing ults. Morgana is more reliant on it than the others.
  • Syndra (depending on playstyle), Orianna (and a badly played Cassiopeia) lack huge initial burst, but their low cooldowns ensure a good sustained damage output that makes them scale well late game.
  • Either natively or with Rylai, they're all good at kiting and peeling for teammates from decent range.

Apart from the obvious stuff (weak to mobility so Kass/Ahri/etc. annoying, strong against early-level Lux/TF/etc., Orianna is a safe fp, yadda-yadda) I lack knowledge of match-ups and dynamics with those champs, and I'm not yet too sure about which are bad for Viktor (tbh unless you're facing LB or Veigar the enemy jungler has more impact than the match-up), so I'm not really sure which one would go well with him.

Who's a good candidate to cover my favourite cyborg's back? D:


I'm really liking Lissandra recently. She is definitely under-rated
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