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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
June 20 2013 02:02 GMT
#2461
So it seems that Zhonyas results in 0 CD for on-hit spells.

ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
June 20 2013 02:07 GMT
#2462
is anyone else using ctrl+q etc for smartcasting?

this patch did somethine and now sometimes my spells dont fire when i try to use them this way.
I havent figured out what it is.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 20 2013 02:09 GMT
#2463
On June 20 2013 11:07 LaNague wrote:
is anyone else using ctrl+q etc for smartcasting?

this patch did somethine and now sometimes my spells dont fire when i try to use them this way.
I havent figured out what it is.


I've noticed that alt+q/w/e/r for self-casting seems delayed. I don't know what it is, but it's really weird.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
June 20 2013 02:13 GMT
#2464
On June 20 2013 09:29 NeoIllusions wrote:
Pretty sure TL LoL is actually pretty old. What Kupon3ss said is correct.


But we gained some new faces in the last few months.
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 20 2013 02:20 GMT
#2465
On June 20 2013 08:57 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 08:47 ReketSomething wrote:
Hey guys, what is your opinion on giving the first buff to a laner for a quick level 2 + buff + lane dominance? For many lanes having level 2 with buff means that the lane opponent is just completely screwd.

Some examples:

Blue side Fiddle jungle lets bot lane and mid lane do red, giving Annie Red Buff + level 2 mid. That would be totally disastrous for the mid opponent and fiddle doesn't really care (aside from the exp) anyways. Sure fiddle is a little behind but Annie could be potentially millenium ahead.

Jungle WW or some nonreliant blue high sustain jungler can also hand his first blue to mid or top giving them 1 level + a BLUE buff. The jungler would be behind obviously but holy crap dealing with level 2 allins is already hard top for some lanes and in this case the laner starts at 2 with blue...

Anyways, maybe this isn't a solo queue strat as everyone is selfish but I can imagine some whacky stuff in more coordinated games, as the jungler was already almost always getting the short end of the stick anyways. The jungler gets completely jacked and then goes to lane to help the 1v2 or push a tower regardless. Giving someone else a buff might become standard? I mean, look at the Meteos Nasus game. He got both buffs jacked and did fine. (one game sample size best example)

One of the issues that comes to mind is that by setting your own jungler behind, it removes the amount of pressure they can put on the lanes. The enemy will be able to immediately identify this the moment they see your lanes have buffs but didn't steal it from them. The lack of jungler pressure means that your lanes will need to play more defensively as a result as the opposing jungler will have greater influence - which just removes the lane pressure you obtained in the first place by getting buffs.

Giving buffs to the lanes has been done in the LCS before but generally it's something along the lines of your jungler starting Red or stealing an enemy buff and one of your solo laners takes your Blue Buff. The Blue Buff solo laner is generally someone who can farm safely from a distance (Karthus and Olaf have been examples) who then takes a 1v2 lane which helps neutralise some of the pressure in the 1v2 lane while also letting you apply harder pressure in your 2v1 lane.

The main question though that comes to mind is if you're want to get greater lane presence due to a buff, why not just steal it from the enemy rather than sacrificing your own?


First and foremost, in high level play you can't really guarantee what will happen at level 1. Most games involve either mutual theft or a minor skirmish. Even when nothing in particular happens at level 1, invasions are risky and require team coordination to avoid an easy first blood for the opposing team. You can't really guarantee that you'll get 3/4ths of the buffs unless there's a huge level 1 strength disparity, a decisively won skirmish/first blood, or just pure apathy from the enemy (and even in these circumstances it can be chancy).

Secondly, it's not as huge a loss for the jungler as you might think. They'll still hit 3 in fairly short order clearing the small camps, and so long as whichever buff they lack isn't vital to their ability to gank it's not as though they can't punish an overaggressive lane.

Finally, the amount of immediate pressure that can be applied is considerable, given the right matchup. While some small amount of global pressure may be lost, the drastically increased pressure mid and the control it can give your team has great value. Pressure in one location has global ramifications anyway.

Ketara and I have actually tested this a couple of times, passing Red to Kayle mid, double level 2 ganking to take the enemy mid out of the picture (provide Ketara didn't murder his opponent solo), and finish with a jungle invasion to secure another buff. It's not foolproof and has kinks/counters, but it's not an idea that can or should be dismissed.

"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
June 20 2013 02:20 GMT
#2466
On June 20 2013 11:13 Chexx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 09:29 NeoIllusions wrote:
Pretty sure TL LoL is actually pretty old. What Kupon3ss said is correct.


But we gained some new faces in the last few months.


cant help but try out the #1 most played game in the world with an active playerbase of 32 million players and counting
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 20 2013 02:22 GMT
#2467
On June 20 2013 11:02 MoonBear wrote:
So it seems that Zhonyas results in 0 CD for on-hit spells.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAtzQyhB-vs

WOW

If this works on Poppy it'll be the most OP thing ever!
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
June 20 2013 02:23 GMT
#2468
On June 20 2013 11:09 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 11:07 LaNague wrote:
is anyone else using ctrl+q etc for smartcasting?

this patch did somethine and now sometimes my spells dont fire when i try to use them this way.
I havent figured out what it is.


I've noticed that alt+q/w/e/r for self-casting seems delayed. I don't know what it is, but it's really weird.


Alt to self-cast is awful, I swear I have to cast some abilities like 3 times before they go off.
I am the Town Medic.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
June 20 2013 02:24 GMT
#2469
On June 20 2013 11:22 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 11:02 MoonBear wrote:
So it seems that Zhonyas results in 0 CD for on-hit spells.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAtzQyhB-vs

WOW

If this works on Poppy it'll be the most OP thing ever!


I think it goes away if you hit anything but a tower.
I am the Town Medic.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-20 02:36:16
June 20 2013 02:25 GMT
#2470
On June 20 2013 11:24 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 11:22 Shikyo wrote:
On June 20 2013 11:02 MoonBear wrote:
So it seems that Zhonyas results in 0 CD for on-hit spells.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAtzQyhB-vs

WOW

If this works on Poppy it'll be the most OP thing ever!


I think it goes away if you hit anything but a tower.

Oh I know that, but her Q laugh is much better than her control + 4

EDIT: nope she doesn't laugh when you do that. I guess they knew it'd be OP.


Speaking of Poppy why is she not viable? Everyone around her gets nerfed hard so hrm
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
June 20 2013 02:29 GMT
#2471
Lol finally got a chance to watch MVP vs Blaze OGN finals.

What a butt whoopin. That Zed became a drive-by shooting every minute.
Forever Young
Fuzzmosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada752 Posts
June 20 2013 02:36 GMT
#2472
Watching PhantomLord stream at 2 am last night.

See ShakeDrizzle on his team. "Eh, Lee Sin's a good ban". I actually laughed.
I'm From Canada, so they think I'm slow, eh?
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-20 02:40:37
June 20 2013 02:39 GMT
#2473
On June 20 2013 09:24 Kupon3ss wrote:
The of LoL centers around the average on TL most likely because very few of us came here for LoL, much of the population are BW veterans who've switched as opposed to people who started out playing LoL and then somehow found TL.


Haha so true :p

Edit: Mandatory dae remember 1998, fuck I'm old!
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
June 20 2013 03:05 GMT
#2474
On June 20 2013 11:25 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 11:24 Alzadar wrote:
On June 20 2013 11:22 Shikyo wrote:
On June 20 2013 11:02 MoonBear wrote:
So it seems that Zhonyas results in 0 CD for on-hit spells.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAtzQyhB-vs

WOW

If this works on Poppy it'll be the most OP thing ever!


I think it goes away if you hit anything but a tower.

Oh I know that, but her Q laugh is much better than her control + 4

EDIT: nope she doesn't laugh when you do that. I guess they knew it'd be OP.


Speaking of Poppy why is she not viable? Everyone around her gets nerfed hard so hrm


Can't really 1v2, crappy wave clear, and hard to lane.

But if you could figure out a safe place to stick her til she hits 5k gold or w/e, it's free sailing.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 20 2013 03:21 GMT
#2475
On June 20 2013 12:05 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 11:25 Shikyo wrote:
On June 20 2013 11:24 Alzadar wrote:
On June 20 2013 11:22 Shikyo wrote:
On June 20 2013 11:02 MoonBear wrote:
So it seems that Zhonyas results in 0 CD for on-hit spells.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAtzQyhB-vs

WOW

If this works on Poppy it'll be the most OP thing ever!


I think it goes away if you hit anything but a tower.

Oh I know that, but her Q laugh is much better than her control + 4

EDIT: nope she doesn't laugh when you do that. I guess they knew it'd be OP.


Speaking of Poppy why is she not viable? Everyone around her gets nerfed hard so hrm


Can't really 1v2, crappy wave clear, and hard to lane.

But if you could figure out a safe place to stick her til she hits 5k gold or w/e, it's free sailing.

I'd have thought that she can 1v2 all right because she can lasthit well under turret, shrugs off AD harrass, and is immune to towerdiving.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-20 03:22:40
June 20 2013 03:22 GMT
#2476
even if you get a super passive lane top she takes too long before she can become relevant to her team, kinda like old Nasus.
People can just force objectives on your team all day until you have like 3 items and level 11.
Carrilord has arrived.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 20 2013 03:24 GMT
#2477
I've never really seen the legendary end game poppy.
Freeeeeeedom
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
June 20 2013 03:26 GMT
#2478
On June 20 2013 11:39 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 09:24 Kupon3ss wrote:
The of LoL centers around the average on TL most likely because very few of us came here for LoL, much of the population are BW veterans who've switched as opposed to people who started out playing LoL and then somehow found TL.


Haha so true :p

Edit: Mandatory dae remember 1998, fuck I'm old!

In the fine print to sign up for TL it says you need to have used at least a 3.5" floppy disk in your life.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
June 20 2013 03:26 GMT
#2479
when people say "can 100-0 your carries with one E > Q combo whilst only able to be damaged by the support" I think that pretty much sums it up.
Carrilord has arrived.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
June 20 2013 03:26 GMT
#2480
On June 20 2013 12:24 cLutZ wrote:
I've never really seen the legendary end game poppy.

pretty brutal if she comes out of lane fed or with decent farm.
if you get hit into a wall with her ult on you its lights out. you'll go from 100-dead before you even get a chance to hit a button.
and half the time even if you dont get hit into a wall you still go from 100-dead before you get a chance to hit a button
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