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You also don't get stacks for shapeshifting anymore. The point is to nerf the timing at which jayce (and others, but specifically him) just destroy people with an incredibly fast muramana, while apparenty not hitting the overall efficiency of the finished item.
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CLG doing that thing where they look amazing in scrims again...
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On June 19 2013 06:58 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 06:30 arb wrote:On June 19 2013 06:25 Leonite7 wrote:On June 19 2013 06:22 Sufficiency wrote:On June 19 2013 05:48 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 19 2013 05:48 Shikyo wrote:On June 19 2013 05:36 cLutZ wrote:
Luckily they are nerfing Muramana before AD Yi is real. WTF they are nerfing muramana? How? What happens to my Pantheon build now... Ability usage is only +3 mana instead of +4, gonna take a while longer to stack. Which is dumb. This is going to nerf all Archangel users really bad. They should have tuned down Maramana's damage. I think it is only when you are stacking muramana that this change takes effect. I could be wrong though. Then they could just sit on tear for a while and it'd be no problem lol, thats dumb Murmana charges on Autoattacks. So not really.
Its really weird though. It seems to have like a 8s cooldown when charging on autoattacks. It's idle very very often if you just auto.
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On June 19 2013 07:25 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 06:58 cLutZ wrote:On June 19 2013 06:30 arb wrote:On June 19 2013 06:25 Leonite7 wrote:On June 19 2013 06:22 Sufficiency wrote:On June 19 2013 05:48 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 19 2013 05:48 Shikyo wrote:On June 19 2013 05:36 cLutZ wrote:
Luckily they are nerfing Muramana before AD Yi is real. WTF they are nerfing muramana? How? What happens to my Pantheon build now... Ability usage is only +3 mana instead of +4, gonna take a while longer to stack. Which is dumb. This is going to nerf all Archangel users really bad. They should have tuned down Maramana's damage. I think it is only when you are stacking muramana that this change takes effect. I could be wrong though. Then they could just sit on tear for a while and it'd be no problem lol, thats dumb Murmana charges on Autoattacks. So not really. Its really weird though. It seems to have like a 8s cooldown when charging on autoattacks. It's idle very very often if you just auto.
it also frequently gains charges before the cooldown on the little bar is up too. aslong as you dont go too spam happy, and give it say half a second or something.
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On June 19 2013 07:25 LaM wrote:
CLG doing that thing where they look amazing in scrims again...
Don't they do that every time they scrim?
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On June 19 2013 06:22 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 05:48 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 19 2013 05:48 Shikyo wrote:On June 19 2013 05:36 cLutZ wrote:
Luckily they are nerfing Muramana before AD Yi is real. WTF they are nerfing muramana? How? What happens to my Pantheon build now... Ability usage is only +3 mana instead of +4, gonna take a while longer to stack. Which is dumb. This is going to nerf all Archangel users really bad. They should have tuned down Maramana's damage.
Archangels still charges 6 mana per spellcast, the nerf won't be that bad as long as archangels users adapt by getting the AA earlier
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On June 19 2013 07:11 Sufficiency wrote:
Basically, the new Master Yi is like the old AP Master Yi, except you also have a great follow up AFTER your Q is on CD (true damage huehuehue). Suffice to say this champion will either be really good (because his kit is broken) or really bad (after Riot swings the nerf bat at him).
I'll take "Every new/remade champion" for $500, Alex.
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On June 19 2013 07:37 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 07:11 Sufficiency wrote:
Basically, the new Master Yi is like the old AP Master Yi, except you also have a great follow up AFTER your Q is on CD (true damage huehuehue). Suffice to say this champion will either be really good (because his kit is broken) or really bad (after Riot swings the nerf bat at him). I'll take "Every new/remade champion" for $500, Alex.
Karma, Quinn, Lissandra, Trundle, Syndra.... am I doing it right?
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On June 19 2013 07:43 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 07:37 Requizen wrote:On June 19 2013 07:11 Sufficiency wrote:
Basically, the new Master Yi is like the old AP Master Yi, except you also have a great follow up AFTER your Q is on CD (true damage huehuehue). Suffice to say this champion will either be really good (because his kit is broken) or really bad (after Riot swings the nerf bat at him). I'll take "Every new/remade champion" for $500, Alex. Karma, Quinn, Lissandra, Trundle, Syndra.... am I doing it right?
I know there are a lot of TL Quinn hipsters, but I don't think she has a very balanced kit at all. Same with Karma and Trundle.
So...2 milktoast AP champs?
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Trundle also hardly counts as a remake in my mind, seeing as his skills all functionally do the same thing, just with small tweaks.
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On June 19 2013 07:49 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 07:43 Sufficiency wrote:On June 19 2013 07:37 Requizen wrote:On June 19 2013 07:11 Sufficiency wrote:
Basically, the new Master Yi is like the old AP Master Yi, except you also have a great follow up AFTER your Q is on CD (true damage huehuehue). Suffice to say this champion will either be really good (because his kit is broken) or really bad (after Riot swings the nerf bat at him). I'll take "Every new/remade champion" for $500, Alex. Karma, Quinn, Lissandra, Trundle, Syndra.... am I doing it right? I know there are a lot of TL Quinn hipsters, but I don't think she has a very balanced kit at all. Same with Karma and Trundle. So...2 milktoast AP champs?
No no no, I am not claiming those champions are "weak", they are just not very facerolling... like Khazix, Katarina... you know, things with resets.
The current Master Yi (AP) is a one-trick pony. With the rework, his AP playstyle is essentially preserved (if not better), while giving him more tools while his Q is on CD. That seems pretty broken to me unless his numbers are absolutely horrid.
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On June 19 2013 07:52 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 07:49 cLutZ wrote:On June 19 2013 07:43 Sufficiency wrote:On June 19 2013 07:37 Requizen wrote:On June 19 2013 07:11 Sufficiency wrote:
Basically, the new Master Yi is like the old AP Master Yi, except you also have a great follow up AFTER your Q is on CD (true damage huehuehue). Suffice to say this champion will either be really good (because his kit is broken) or really bad (after Riot swings the nerf bat at him). I'll take "Every new/remade champion" for $500, Alex. Karma, Quinn, Lissandra, Trundle, Syndra.... am I doing it right? I know there are a lot of TL Quinn hipsters, but I don't think she has a very balanced kit at all. Same with Karma and Trundle. So...2 milktoast AP champs? No no no, I am not claiming those champions are "weak", they are just not very facerolling... like Khazix, Katarina... you know, things with resets. The current Master Yi (AP) is a one-trick pony. With the rework, his AP playstyle is essentially preserved (if not better), while giving him more tools while his Q is on CD. That seems pretty broken to me unless his numbers are absolutely horrid.
Um
Just in case you weren't aware, magical dmg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> physical dmg
He just has his Q that's a useful refresh(until your E runs out). If it's physical dmg and has a non-ridiculous scaling he really shouldn't be able to do much with it.
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On June 19 2013 08:01 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 07:52 Sufficiency wrote:On June 19 2013 07:49 cLutZ wrote:On June 19 2013 07:43 Sufficiency wrote:On June 19 2013 07:37 Requizen wrote:On June 19 2013 07:11 Sufficiency wrote:
Basically, the new Master Yi is like the old AP Master Yi, except you also have a great follow up AFTER your Q is on CD (true damage huehuehue). Suffice to say this champion will either be really good (because his kit is broken) or really bad (after Riot swings the nerf bat at him). I'll take "Every new/remade champion" for $500, Alex. Karma, Quinn, Lissandra, Trundle, Syndra.... am I doing it right? I know there are a lot of TL Quinn hipsters, but I don't think she has a very balanced kit at all. Same with Karma and Trundle. So...2 milktoast AP champs? No no no, I am not claiming those champions are "weak", they are just not very facerolling... like Khazix, Katarina... you know, things with resets. The current Master Yi (AP) is a one-trick pony. With the rework, his AP playstyle is essentially preserved (if not better), while giving him more tools while his Q is on CD. That seems pretty broken to me unless his numbers are absolutely horrid. Um Just in case you weren't aware, magical dmg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> physical dmg
Of course. And the 1:1 AD ratio on his Q isn't really that high.... but he got an AD bonus passive and he will always reset his Q even with assists.
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On June 19 2013 08:04 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 08:01 Shikyo wrote:On June 19 2013 07:52 Sufficiency wrote:On June 19 2013 07:49 cLutZ wrote:On June 19 2013 07:43 Sufficiency wrote:On June 19 2013 07:37 Requizen wrote:On June 19 2013 07:11 Sufficiency wrote:
Basically, the new Master Yi is like the old AP Master Yi, except you also have a great follow up AFTER your Q is on CD (true damage huehuehue). Suffice to say this champion will either be really good (because his kit is broken) or really bad (after Riot swings the nerf bat at him). I'll take "Every new/remade champion" for $500, Alex. Karma, Quinn, Lissandra, Trundle, Syndra.... am I doing it right? I know there are a lot of TL Quinn hipsters, but I don't think she has a very balanced kit at all. Same with Karma and Trundle. So...2 milktoast AP champs? No no no, I am not claiming those champions are "weak", they are just not very facerolling... like Khazix, Katarina... you know, things with resets. The current Master Yi (AP) is a one-trick pony. With the rework, his AP playstyle is essentially preserved (if not better), while giving him more tools while his Q is on CD. That seems pretty broken to me unless his numbers are absolutely horrid. Um Just in case you weren't aware, magical dmg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> physical dmg Of course. And the 1:1 AD ratio on his Q isn't really that high.... but he got an AD bonus passive and he will always reset his Q even with assists.
Oh assists refresh everything too?
Hmm that doesn't seem like such a good idea >_> Still him being unable to refresh his ult is a pretty big nerf in that way. He seems quite strong but not overbearingly so, in my opinion. If I can finally start playing AD Yi solotop without being called a megatroll I'll be quite happy.
One has to keep in mind the differences to someone like Kha'Zix, as well:
No CC
No reliable long-range poke
No leap-type escape mechanism
No stealth
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On June 19 2013 08:06 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 08:04 Sufficiency wrote:On June 19 2013 08:01 Shikyo wrote:On June 19 2013 07:52 Sufficiency wrote:On June 19 2013 07:49 cLutZ wrote:On June 19 2013 07:43 Sufficiency wrote:On June 19 2013 07:37 Requizen wrote:On June 19 2013 07:11 Sufficiency wrote:
Basically, the new Master Yi is like the old AP Master Yi, except you also have a great follow up AFTER your Q is on CD (true damage huehuehue). Suffice to say this champion will either be really good (because his kit is broken) or really bad (after Riot swings the nerf bat at him). I'll take "Every new/remade champion" for $500, Alex. Karma, Quinn, Lissandra, Trundle, Syndra.... am I doing it right? I know there are a lot of TL Quinn hipsters, but I don't think she has a very balanced kit at all. Same with Karma and Trundle. So...2 milktoast AP champs? No no no, I am not claiming those champions are "weak", they are just not very facerolling... like Khazix, Katarina... you know, things with resets. The current Master Yi (AP) is a one-trick pony. With the rework, his AP playstyle is essentially preserved (if not better), while giving him more tools while his Q is on CD. That seems pretty broken to me unless his numbers are absolutely horrid. Um Just in case you weren't aware, magical dmg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> physical dmg Of course. And the 1:1 AD ratio on his Q isn't really that high.... but he got an AD bonus passive and he will always reset his Q even with assists. Oh assists refresh everything too? Hmm that doesn't seem like such a good idea >_> Still him being unable to refresh his ult is a pretty big nerf in that way. He seems quite strong but not overbearingly so, in my opinion. If I can finally start playing AD Yi solotop without being called a megatroll I'll be quite happy.
That's what's-that-Rioter's-name said. As soon as he hits level 6, all of his basic abilities refreshes on kill or assist, with or without his R on.
Not being able to refresh his ultimate is a step in the right direction though.
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As soon as he hits level 6, all of his basic abilities refreshes on kill or assist
i thought riot was done with the whole refresh on kill thing.
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On June 19 2013 08:14 LaNague wrote:Show nested quote + As soon as he hits level 6, all of his basic abilities refreshes on kill or assist i thought riot was done with the whole refresh on kill thing.
I wish they'd be done with %hp damage
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On June 19 2013 08:15 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 08:14 LaNague wrote: As soon as he hits level 6, all of his basic abilities refreshes on kill or assist i thought riot was done with the whole refresh on kill thing. I wish they'd be done with %hp damage
It's a % of his total ad not % hp!
edit:Edward is too busy regreting his decision  .
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Does Edward speak at all during the curse scrims? Been watching nyjacky for a short while now and dont think ive heard him say a word yet
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On June 19 2013 08:16 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 08:15 arb wrote:On June 19 2013 08:14 LaNague wrote: As soon as he hits level 6, all of his basic abilities refreshes on kill or assist i thought riot was done with the whole refresh on kill thing. I wish they'd be done with %hp damage It's a % of his total ad not % hp!
not yet
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