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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
June 11 2013 17:13 GMT
#201
On June 12 2013 02:13 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 02:05 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On June 12 2013 02:01 kainzero wrote:
On June 12 2013 01:10 onlywonderboy wrote:
On June 12 2013 01:06 thenexusp wrote:
I mean, let's face it, at silver Elo, the chance that biltzcrank gives your team the shaco effect (feeds on your team, godhand on enemy team) is way higher than the chance that someone on the other team (and not your team) actually figured out that sejuani is OP.

If Sej would have had time to be played in the LCS she would have become FotM.

not sure

i have not seen her being picked or banned in chinese leagues or in SEA league. her art and lissandra are there, so unless there is some rule i'm not aware about...

i think she is somewhat susceptible to being dueled in her jungle. or maybe her laneswap ability isn't good? i don't know. she was great to pubstomp with, though.



yesterday i finally bumped into one of those elusive silver 3 solo q/challenger ranked 5s player. lol. what makes it even stranger is that the other team had 2 diamond 1s, and we had a level 28. wat. lol.


As far as Sej goes, she was banned in her current form up through the All Star's and everything, so it would make sense that the LPL and everything else had the same restrictions.

she wasn't banned in the final week of LPL as far as i know, which ended may 18th, a week before the all star game. all star used frejlord patch while banning new heroes, but someone played lissandra in a final week LPL game.


There ya go, I don't know anything. =P
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 11 2013 17:14 GMT
#202
On June 12 2013 01:49 OutlaW- wrote:
I don't know why Riot doesn't simply make the jungle a lot more profitable. I would make wards more expensive (and perhaps put a limit to them for a team) and allow you the gold and experience to match or surpass the amount that you get by laning.


I think that the only way that would be balanced is if they add more jungle camps (which I have been clamoring for anyways). Those camps need to be further from the lanes than wraiths currently are. And I do not understand Riot's obsession with shifting all the EXP and bounty to the big monster at each camp.

One problem of the carry jungle is it eliminates the weak early game some champs are supposed to have before they become monsters. But honestly the only such character right now is probably Jax (maybe Fiora), I can't think of another character that would be especially scary out of the jungle if they buffed farm. There are probably some, but IDK. Also perhaps killing wards should give EXP so junglers/supports don't fall so behind while on oracles duty.
Freeeeeeedom
willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
June 11 2013 17:14 GMT
#203
Every GD has this retarded first/second post shit... wtf...
Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23404 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-11 17:17:29
June 11 2013 17:17 GMT
#204
i have absolutely no idea why anyone would care to be on the front page of a thread that everyone reads based on the subscribe shit so you just read the last post you havent read

ban them all imo
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
June 11 2013 17:20 GMT
#205
On June 12 2013 02:14 willoc wrote:
Every GD has this retarded first/second post shit... wtf...


Pretty much because people want to troll our mods.

+ Show Spoiler +
And trolling MoonBear, Neo, and Yango is fun.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
June 11 2013 17:25 GMT
#206
On June 12 2013 02:01 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 01:10 onlywonderboy wrote:
On June 12 2013 01:06 thenexusp wrote:
I mean, let's face it, at silver Elo, the chance that biltzcrank gives your team the shaco effect (feeds on your team, godhand on enemy team) is way higher than the chance that someone on the other team (and not your team) actually figured out that sejuani is OP.

If Sej would have had time to be played in the LCS she would have become FotM.

not sure

i have not seen her being picked or banned in chinese leagues or in SEA league. her art and lissandra are there, so unless there is some rule i'm not aware about...

i think she is somewhat susceptible to being dueled in her jungle. or maybe her laneswap ability isn't good? i don't know. she was great to pubstomp with, though.



yesterday i finally bumped into one of those elusive silver 3 solo q/challenger ranked 5s player. lol. what makes it even stranger is that the other team had 2 diamond 1s, and we had a level 28. wat. lol.

I would posit that due to NA's lack of coordination in general it would be far easier for Sej to go full pubstomp mode in the LCS setting. I guess we will never know.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 11 2013 17:37 GMT
#207
Guys, I dreamt last night that Ketara got onto an LCS team as their AD carry.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
June 11 2013 17:39 GMT
#208
On June 12 2013 02:37 Seuss wrote:
Guys, I dreamt last night that Ketara got onto an LCS team as their AD carry.


Is that your nightmare or are you his?
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
June 11 2013 17:40 GMT
#209
On June 12 2013 02:37 Seuss wrote:
Guys, I dreamt last night that Ketara got onto an LCS team as their AD carry.

GD will now be a dream blog
Bronze player stuck in platinum
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
June 11 2013 17:41 GMT
#210
On June 12 2013 02:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 01:41 NeoIllusions wrote:
With new Doran's Shield cost, I'm going to play so much Leona Support now. zz

Edit: Fiddle Support still #1 though.

I'm not sure about how I feel about the lack of armor on Doran's shield. I understand they had to reduce stats on it cuz reduce cost. But it's a fucking shield... seem wonky if you don't have armor stat on it...


wot, it's cheaper, passive got bumped up. When you all-in, I think the lack of armor is ok considering everything else. Gotta get a Cloth Armor anyways for Aegis or Locket, np.
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Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
June 11 2013 17:52 GMT
#211
On June 12 2013 01:41 NeoIllusions wrote:
With new Doran's Shield cost, I'm going to play so much Leona Support now. zz

Edit: Fiddle Support still #1 though.




Liar, liar, pants on fire!

Don't spread this, i don't want a nerf to his fear
hi
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
June 11 2013 17:52 GMT
#212
On June 12 2013 02:25 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 02:01 kainzero wrote:
On June 12 2013 01:10 onlywonderboy wrote:
On June 12 2013 01:06 thenexusp wrote:
I mean, let's face it, at silver Elo, the chance that biltzcrank gives your team the shaco effect (feeds on your team, godhand on enemy team) is way higher than the chance that someone on the other team (and not your team) actually figured out that sejuani is OP.

If Sej would have had time to be played in the LCS she would have become FotM.

not sure

i have not seen her being picked or banned in chinese leagues or in SEA league. her art and lissandra are there, so unless there is some rule i'm not aware about...

i think she is somewhat susceptible to being dueled in her jungle. or maybe her laneswap ability isn't good? i don't know. she was great to pubstomp with, though.



yesterday i finally bumped into one of those elusive silver 3 solo q/challenger ranked 5s player. lol. what makes it even stranger is that the other team had 2 diamond 1s, and we had a level 28. wat. lol.

I would posit that due to NA's lack of coordination in general it would be far easier for Sej to go full pubstomp mode in the LCS setting. I guess we will never know.

if we were to approximate amumu as the pubstomper, well, i don't think that he showed up very often.
and when he did, it was chauster's amumu.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23404 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-11 17:57:31
June 11 2013 17:54 GMT
#213
5 armour is worth 100 gold
cost went down by 35
passive went up by 2

HOWEVER
lets say you have 45 armour and target has 70 ad
old dorans shield gives 5 armour so with 50 armour you take 46.5ish dmg and you take 48.3ish dmg with 45 armour
so in this case the 2 more damage on passive is actually about even with 5 armour (68 dmg 45 armour vs 70 50)

basically vs physical casters or at high values of ad it sucks so they just want it to be good early game while dorans blade is better all game and dring is pretty useful too

it mightn't be too popular since most people want wards and more pots so they go anal beads+5 pots +1 ward
Marahumm
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States98 Posts
June 11 2013 17:59 GMT
#214
In regards to the jayce / muramana debate, how do you think nerfing tear / manamune / archangel staff to only produce charges to skills that cost mana? This would prevent Jayce (And Nidalee / Elise) from spamming their stance changes with R, without completely gutting them or the items themselves. I'm trying to think how this would affect other champions that use mana as a resource but have skills that don't cost any mana, but so far I don't see it being THAT huge of a hit on them. Thoughts?
Looks like you mashed some poor fellers dog, Sarge.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 11 2013 18:05 GMT
#215
On June 12 2013 02:41 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 02:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 12 2013 01:41 NeoIllusions wrote:
With new Doran's Shield cost, I'm going to play so much Leona Support now. zz

Edit: Fiddle Support still #1 though.

I'm not sure about how I feel about the lack of armor on Doran's shield. I understand they had to reduce stats on it cuz reduce cost. But it's a fucking shield... seem wonky if you don't have armor stat on it...


wot, it's cheaper, passive got bumped up. When you all-in, I think the lack of armor is ok considering everything else. Gotta get a Cloth Armor anyways for Aegis or Locket, np.

It was more of a design perspective sorta thing; why call it a shield if it doesn't give some armor. That's why I found it a little wonky, that's all. Yeah obviously it's a better item now. I wouldn't be surprised if AP tops open this item now; like vlad and rumble.
liftlift > tsm
canucks12
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada812 Posts
June 11 2013 18:09 GMT
#216
On June 12 2013 02:59 Marahumm wrote:
In regards to the jayce / muramana debate, how do you think nerfing tear / manamune / archangel staff to only produce charges to skills that cost mana? This would prevent Jayce (And Nidalee / Elise) from spamming their stance changes with R, without completely gutting them or the items themselves. I'm trying to think how this would affect other champions that use mana as a resource but have skills that don't cost any mana, but so far I don't see it being THAT huge of a hit on them. Thoughts?


This would ruin top lane Warwick, but I'd imagine other champs would be fine...
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-11 18:12:40
June 11 2013 18:09 GMT
#217
^ How so? You don't build Tear on WW, and his E toggle probably doesn't trigger it either (seeing how Ashe's doesn't).

On June 12 2013 02:04 GeneralStan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 02:00 Alaric wrote:
We weren't even supposed to see the patch notes.


What makes you say that?

A Rioter said it on reddit (found it mentioned on RoG), basically they weren't ready to put out the patch so the notes weren't supposed to be released to early.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
June 11 2013 18:10 GMT
#218
i just want to try wit's end/abyssal diana.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-11 18:11:48
June 11 2013 18:10 GMT
#219
On June 12 2013 02:52 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 02:25 onlywonderboy wrote:
On June 12 2013 02:01 kainzero wrote:
On June 12 2013 01:10 onlywonderboy wrote:
On June 12 2013 01:06 thenexusp wrote:
I mean, let's face it, at silver Elo, the chance that biltzcrank gives your team the shaco effect (feeds on your team, godhand on enemy team) is way higher than the chance that someone on the other team (and not your team) actually figured out that sejuani is OP.

If Sej would have had time to be played in the LCS she would have become FotM.

not sure

i have not seen her being picked or banned in chinese leagues or in SEA league. her art and lissandra are there, so unless there is some rule i'm not aware about...

i think she is somewhat susceptible to being dueled in her jungle. or maybe her laneswap ability isn't good? i don't know. she was great to pubstomp with, though.



yesterday i finally bumped into one of those elusive silver 3 solo q/challenger ranked 5s player. lol. what makes it even stranger is that the other team had 2 diamond 1s, and we had a level 28. wat. lol.

I would posit that due to NA's lack of coordination in general it would be far easier for Sej to go full pubstomp mode in the LCS setting. I guess we will never know.

if we were to approximate amumu as the pubstomper, well, i don't think that he showed up very often.
and when he did, it was chauster's amumu.

He was played a ton until the range nerf on his ult, even in OGN, that's where Curse of the Sad Bullet Time got coined.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
June 11 2013 18:17 GMT
#220
On June 12 2013 03:10 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 02:52 kainzero wrote:
On June 12 2013 02:25 onlywonderboy wrote:
On June 12 2013 02:01 kainzero wrote:
On June 12 2013 01:10 onlywonderboy wrote:
On June 12 2013 01:06 thenexusp wrote:
I mean, let's face it, at silver Elo, the chance that biltzcrank gives your team the shaco effect (feeds on your team, godhand on enemy team) is way higher than the chance that someone on the other team (and not your team) actually figured out that sejuani is OP.

If Sej would have had time to be played in the LCS she would have become FotM.

not sure

i have not seen her being picked or banned in chinese leagues or in SEA league. her art and lissandra are there, so unless there is some rule i'm not aware about...

i think she is somewhat susceptible to being dueled in her jungle. or maybe her laneswap ability isn't good? i don't know. she was great to pubstomp with, though.



yesterday i finally bumped into one of those elusive silver 3 solo q/challenger ranked 5s player. lol. what makes it even stranger is that the other team had 2 diamond 1s, and we had a level 28. wat. lol.

I would posit that due to NA's lack of coordination in general it would be far easier for Sej to go full pubstomp mode in the LCS setting. I guess we will never know.

if we were to approximate amumu as the pubstomper, well, i don't think that he showed up very often.
and when he did, it was chauster's amumu.

He was played a ton until the range nerf on his ult, even in OGN, that's where Curse of the Sad Bullet Time got coined.


for the record current Sej was only available for the 2nd Semifinal for OGN and she got played.
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