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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

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dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
May 22 2013 02:59 GMT
#1821
On May 22 2013 11:58 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 11:52 dae wrote:
Blue Ezreal is stupid.

His existence invalidates entire teamcomps.

You basically need to have a super range hypercarry or long range assassin or you will lose lategame to him.

or you send draven bot and he snowballs anyways


I wasn't even talking about blue ezreal bot >.< afk farm mid is just as if not even more stupider.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
May 22 2013 03:16 GMT
#1822
On May 22 2013 11:52 dae wrote:
Blue Ezreal is stupid.

His existence invalidates entire teamcomps.

How so?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 22 2013 03:16 GMT
#1823
Blue Ez mid is better than bot anyways. Get blues > Stack tear faster. Jungle item makes wraiths ez pz. You get to have a high damage AD Carry lategame. AND MORE!
Freeeeeeedom
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 22 2013 03:19 GMT
#1824
blue ez is like the very lowest dmg adc out of them all so calling him a high damage AD carry...

The build is pretty bad until it gets rolling so it feels like a waste of a mid, he also has 0 clear.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
May 22 2013 03:23 GMT
#1825
On May 22 2013 12:16 cLutZ wrote:
Blue Ez mid is better than bot anyways. Get blues > Stack tear faster. Jungle item makes wraiths ez pz. You get to have a high damage AD Carry lategame. AND MORE!


i main ad and kinda disagree that BluEZ does more dmg at late game

BluEZ
pros:
high mana
kite well
low CD
AOE dmg

cons:
no attk spd
no crit
low AD
---------------------
=
=

normal ez
pros:
high sustain
high attk spd
crit
poke from statik shiv

cons:
cant kite as much as BluEZ
need manage CD well
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 03:26:40
May 22 2013 03:26 GMT
#1826
The math on that reignofgaming article said that blue Ez's damage was mathematically about the same till around 15k gold, and then regular Ez started to outperform it.

Of course, they've been wrong about math before!
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 22 2013 03:26 GMT
#1827
On May 22 2013 12:19 Shikyo wrote:
blue ez is like the very lowest dmg adc out of them all so calling him a high damage AD carry...

The build is pretty bad until it gets rolling so it feels like a waste of a mid, he also has 0 clear.



On May 22 2013 12:23 justiceknight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 12:16 cLutZ wrote:
Blue Ez mid is better than bot anyways. Get blues > Stack tear faster. Jungle item makes wraiths ez pz. You get to have a high damage AD Carry lategame. AND MORE!


i main ad and kinda disagree that BluEZ does more dmg at late game

BluEZ
pros:
high mana
kite well
low CD
AOE dmg

cons:
no attk spd
no crit
low AD
---------------------
=
=

normal ez
pros:
high sustain
high attk spd
crit
poke from statik shiv

cons:
cant kite as much as BluEZ
need manage CD well


Your high damage AD Carry would be botlane...

Clear is his only big problem.
Freeeeeeedom
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
May 22 2013 03:31 GMT
#1828
Blue Ez is fun, unique and it's made Ezreal playable again.
Retvrn to Forvms
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 22 2013 03:38 GMT
#1829
Fuuu..

I need to go back to basics. Lose 12 ranked games in a row. Feel like death.

Took brief hiatus, and now I just playing absolutely awfully. Just absolutely awful. I making the stupidest decisions, and I can feel and realize i doing something awful I just like... do it anyway. Used to happen to me all the time in broodwar, and I'd just start a fresh account and go from D again, but I dont have the time now a days to level an account to 30.

-.-

Anyone have any suggestions for just... refocusing yourself?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 22 2013 03:41 GMT
#1830
On May 22 2013 12:31 Chrispy wrote:
Blue Ez is fun, unique and it's made Ezreal playable again.

IMO the emergence of blue ez in solo queue has to do with the fact it accentuates everything fun about his kit. Skill shot based champion that can kite super hard. The blue build allows for infinite Q's to be tossed out in a timely manner, and allows him to flash around.
liftlift > tsm
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 22 2013 03:43 GMT
#1831
On May 22 2013 12:38 iCanada wrote:
Fuuu..

I need to go back to basics. Lose 12 ranked games in a row. Feel like death.

Took brief hiatus, and now I just playing absolutely awfully. Just absolutely awful. I making the stupidest decisions, and I can feel and realize i doing something awful I just like... do it anyway. Used to happen to me all the time in broodwar, and I'd just start a fresh account and go from D again, but I dont have the time now a days to level an account to 30.

-.-

Anyone have any suggestions for just... refocusing yourself?

Play other games. When I go on tilt, I find it's best to walk away and focus on something else. I guess you can read a book or watch a movie or something, but I tear through single player games when I get angry. Working through the Batman games now :D

+ Show Spoiler +
I AM THE NIGHT
It's your boy Guzma!
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
May 22 2013 04:11 GMT
#1832
On May 22 2013 12:38 iCanada wrote:
Fuuu..

I need to go back to basics. Lose 12 ranked games in a row. Feel like death.

Took brief hiatus, and now I just playing absolutely awfully. Just absolutely awful. I making the stupidest decisions, and I can feel and realize i doing something awful I just like... do it anyway. Used to happen to me all the time in broodwar, and I'd just start a fresh account and go from D again, but I dont have the time now a days to level an account to 30.

-.-

Anyone have any suggestions for just... refocusing yourself?


Play ARAM if you were on break imo. You get used to team fights and focusing. Then you can do the rest in normals/ranked mode.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
May 22 2013 04:16 GMT
#1833
On May 22 2013 12:38 iCanada wrote:
Fuuu..

I need to go back to basics. Lose 12 ranked games in a row. Feel like death.

Took brief hiatus, and now I just playing absolutely awfully. Just absolutely awful. I making the stupidest decisions, and I can feel and realize i doing something awful I just like... do it anyway. Used to happen to me all the time in broodwar, and I'd just start a fresh account and go from D again, but I dont have the time now a days to level an account to 30.

-.-

Anyone have any suggestions for just... refocusing yourself?

rest.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
May 22 2013 04:31 GMT
#1834
I'm just amazed at how many ults Blue Ezreals shoot off. Like a max CDR Lux.

Ofc now every Ez I see in soloq go Blue Build, even vs. comps where I imagine it would suck balls in (Double AP or Vayne/Kog + Orianna/Anivia with beefy frontlines who just stand there to protect Vayne/Kog).
Forever Young
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 22 2013 04:32 GMT
#1835
On May 22 2013 11:48 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 10:02 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On May 22 2013 08:42 101toss wrote:
On May 22 2013 08:40 xes wrote:
On May 22 2013 08:30 FinestHour wrote:
is wriggles a decent pickup for top laners? my friend was telling me about the cost efficiency of the item as well as the spirit stone items, are they matchup specific or pretty safe item to go for most of the time?

It's efficient compared to stacking Cloth Armors and Longswords but pretty much awful compared to Cutlass. Item efficiency should be compared to the relative levels you could get from spending your gold elsewhere; it doesn't really matter than X item is gold-efficient because practically every item in the game is gold-efficient. The stats should be compared real items as a baseline. For example, Rageblade is efficient compared to stacking Blasting Wands, but for a AD/AP hybrid items, the baseline should be Hexetech Revolver.

i hear ohmwrecker is gold efficient and randuins is not

randuins is expensive as all fuck for what it gives you but its utility isn't really something you can price in gold

gold efficiency is a pretty dumb metric imo

You saw people use gold efficiency on this board all the time as evidence for build before people started putting gold values on this wiki. Back then philo was bought quite often as well and an argument was always made that it was the best gp10 because it was gold efficient without the passive.

And every single time I had an argument with someone they'd bring up gold and I'd bring up that you can't price some things in gold

We had this argument about IBG on Ezreal before Blue Ez was a thing and everyone was telling me it was horrible gold efficiency

WELL SHIT I GUESS I WAS WRONG
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 22 2013 04:33 GMT
#1836
On May 22 2013 10:04 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 10:02 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On May 22 2013 08:42 101toss wrote:
On May 22 2013 08:40 xes wrote:
On May 22 2013 08:30 FinestHour wrote:
is wriggles a decent pickup for top laners? my friend was telling me about the cost efficiency of the item as well as the spirit stone items, are they matchup specific or pretty safe item to go for most of the time?

It's efficient compared to stacking Cloth Armors and Longswords but pretty much awful compared to Cutlass. Item efficiency should be compared to the relative levels you could get from spending your gold elsewhere; it doesn't really matter than X item is gold-efficient because practically every item in the game is gold-efficient. The stats should be compared real items as a baseline. For example, Rageblade is efficient compared to stacking Blasting Wands, but for a AD/AP hybrid items, the baseline should be Hexetech Revolver.

i hear ohmwrecker is gold efficient and randuins is not

randuins is expensive as all fuck for what it gives you but its utility isn't really something you can price in gold

gold efficiency is a pretty dumb metric imo

This reminds me of a conversation I had a loooong time ago with bly08
bly08: You don't compare items just based on their cost efficiency
Scip: of course you do, what else would you compare them by?
bly08: like, by what they do

IIRC both of us advocated Sunfire before nerf and IBG on Ez before blue build
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
May 22 2013 05:09 GMT
#1837
On May 22 2013 10:04 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 10:02 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On May 22 2013 08:42 101toss wrote:
On May 22 2013 08:40 xes wrote:
On May 22 2013 08:30 FinestHour wrote:
is wriggles a decent pickup for top laners? my friend was telling me about the cost efficiency of the item as well as the spirit stone items, are they matchup specific or pretty safe item to go for most of the time?

It's efficient compared to stacking Cloth Armors and Longswords but pretty much awful compared to Cutlass. Item efficiency should be compared to the relative levels you could get from spending your gold elsewhere; it doesn't really matter than X item is gold-efficient because practically every item in the game is gold-efficient. The stats should be compared real items as a baseline. For example, Rageblade is efficient compared to stacking Blasting Wands, but for a AD/AP hybrid items, the baseline should be Hexetech Revolver.

i hear ohmwrecker is gold efficient and randuins is not

randuins is expensive as all fuck for what it gives you but its utility isn't really something you can price in gold

gold efficiency is a pretty dumb metric imo

This reminds me of a conversation I had a loooong time ago with bly08
bly08: You don't compare items just based on their cost efficiency
Scip: of course you do, what else would you compare them by?
bly08: like, by what they do

i miss bly

dude was smart
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 22 2013 05:15 GMT
#1838
On May 22 2013 13:33 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 10:04 Scip wrote:
On May 22 2013 10:02 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On May 22 2013 08:42 101toss wrote:
On May 22 2013 08:40 xes wrote:
On May 22 2013 08:30 FinestHour wrote:
is wriggles a decent pickup for top laners? my friend was telling me about the cost efficiency of the item as well as the spirit stone items, are they matchup specific or pretty safe item to go for most of the time?

It's efficient compared to stacking Cloth Armors and Longswords but pretty much awful compared to Cutlass. Item efficiency should be compared to the relative levels you could get from spending your gold elsewhere; it doesn't really matter than X item is gold-efficient because practically every item in the game is gold-efficient. The stats should be compared real items as a baseline. For example, Rageblade is efficient compared to stacking Blasting Wands, but for a AD/AP hybrid items, the baseline should be Hexetech Revolver.

i hear ohmwrecker is gold efficient and randuins is not

randuins is expensive as all fuck for what it gives you but its utility isn't really something you can price in gold

gold efficiency is a pretty dumb metric imo

This reminds me of a conversation I had a loooong time ago with bly08
bly08: You don't compare items just based on their cost efficiency
Scip: of course you do, what else would you compare them by?
bly08: like, by what they do

IIRC both of us advocated Sunfire before nerf and IBG on Ez before blue build

IBG on Ez; pre-blue build was for a slightly different reason than because of the current blue build.
liftlift > tsm
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
May 22 2013 05:19 GMT
#1839
also goddamn that elise armor nerf hurts a lot. especially in the jungle.
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
May 22 2013 05:52 GMT
#1840
Man... I just can't get better at this game. I have been 1400s elo/40-99 LP in Silver I since I started playing a little over a year ago. I watch all my replays (when they work...), I try playing only a couple champs for a while, I try to role specialize, though that's hard in solo queue, but nothing really helps. I just don't even know what I need to do to get better, as opposed to RTS games where it was really easy for me to identify weaknesses and improve.

Can we have a "how to get better at this game" discussion?
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