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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 21 2013 23:13 GMT
#1781
On May 22 2013 07:49 Nos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 07:44 Alaric wrote:
Ghostbride Morgana doesn't seem to really show the statues most of the time because of the angle, so outside from the dress it's not much, I think. :/
Got Exiled with the RP from the EU split, but waiting for Blackthorn to go on sale. Yeah, I'm patient.

blackthorn was on sale in the super sale thing

Was it? I thought it wasn't because it and Tyrant Swain already were on sale in last January. Eh, maybe I just dun goofed again.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
May 21 2013 23:20 GMT
#1782
On May 22 2013 08:13 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 07:49 Nos- wrote:
On May 22 2013 07:44 Alaric wrote:
Ghostbride Morgana doesn't seem to really show the statues most of the time because of the angle, so outside from the dress it's not much, I think. :/
Got Exiled with the RP from the EU split, but waiting for Blackthorn to go on sale. Yeah, I'm patient.

blackthorn was on sale in the super sale thing

Was it? I thought it wasn't because it and Tyrant Swain already were on sale in last January. Eh, maybe I just dun goofed again.

Fairly certain cause I have blackthorn and I definitely didn't have RP last January
Bronze player stuck in platinum
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 23:20:55
May 21 2013 23:20 GMT
#1783
still cant log in to Eu West, i missed like a week of first win of the days -.-


every time i want to play, the server doesnt work.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 21 2013 23:21 GMT
#1784
On May 22 2013 08:13 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 07:49 Nos- wrote:
On May 22 2013 07:44 Alaric wrote:
Ghostbride Morgana doesn't seem to really show the statues most of the time because of the angle, so outside from the dress it's not much, I think. :/
Got Exiled with the RP from the EU split, but waiting for Blackthorn to go on sale. Yeah, I'm patient.

blackthorn was on sale in the super sale thing

Was it? I thought it wasn't because it and Tyrant Swain already were on sale in last January. Eh, maybe I just dun goofed again.

January 10th, 2013
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 21 2013 23:24 GMT
#1785
Oh, yeah, I just got the super skin sale confused with a skin sale they'd do after announcing the new pricing stuff.
So, yeah, didn't have RP at that time (well, not enough for those skins) and since I received some by mistake I decided I'd wait for interesting skins to go on sale since I don't plan on buying more RP. >>
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
May 21 2013 23:30 GMT
#1786
is wriggles a decent pickup for top laners? my friend was telling me about the cost efficiency of the item as well as the spirit stone items, are they matchup specific or pretty safe item to go for most of the time?
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 23:32:21
May 21 2013 23:32 GMT
#1787
On May 22 2013 08:30 FinestHour wrote:
is wriggles a decent pickup for top laners? my friend was telling me about the cost efficiency of the item as well as the spirit stone items, are they matchup specific or pretty safe item to go for most of the time?


Eh, Wriggles is cost effective I guess if you desperatly want Armor, AD, and lifesteal. But I'd say it more cost effective to say just buy 2 dorans rblades
.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11786 Posts
May 21 2013 23:33 GMT
#1788
Junglers don't even buy wriggles, why would a toplaner?

Wriggles is pretty much as cost efficient as base items if you ignore the lantern thingy and the passive. The passive is worthless toplane, and then lantern is ok, i guess, but if you really want wards that much then you'd better buy Sightstone in my opinion. Usually just 1-2 wards each back is a better solution.

I can't remember when i ever saw someone build one toplane. I think it was popular in season 1 when it was way stronger, or something like that, but i didn't play back then.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 21 2013 23:34 GMT
#1789
On May 22 2013 08:30 FinestHour wrote:
is wriggles a decent pickup for top laners? my friend was telling me about the cost efficiency of the item as well as the spirit stone items, are they matchup specific or pretty safe item to go for most of the time?

not really. all the combined items in lol are cost efficient; from their basic counterparts. Wriggles isn't any more significant in cost efficiency; but more importantly it's not slot efficient.
liftlift > tsm
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 23:37:05
May 21 2013 23:36 GMT
#1790
On May 22 2013 08:07 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 08:04 Requizen wrote:
Speaking of skins, I've been playing a bit of Kennen recently. Arctic Kennen worth getting?


I prefer Karate myself.
Arctic has a cool shuriken particle though. Kunai I think? ironic


I like Arctic. New particles are always win.
TranslatorBaa!
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
May 21 2013 23:40 GMT
#1791
On May 22 2013 08:30 FinestHour wrote:
is wriggles a decent pickup for top laners? my friend was telling me about the cost efficiency of the item as well as the spirit stone items, are they matchup specific or pretty safe item to go for most of the time?

It's efficient compared to stacking Cloth Armors and Longswords but pretty much awful compared to Cutlass. Item efficiency should be compared to the relative levels you could get from spending your gold elsewhere; it doesn't really matter than X item is gold-efficient because practically every item in the game is gold-efficient. The stats should be compared real items as a baseline. For example, Rageblade is efficient compared to stacking Blasting Wands, but for a AD/AP hybrid items, the baseline should be Hexetech Revolver.
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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 23:42:47
May 21 2013 23:42 GMT
#1792
On May 22 2013 08:40 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 08:30 FinestHour wrote:
is wriggles a decent pickup for top laners? my friend was telling me about the cost efficiency of the item as well as the spirit stone items, are they matchup specific or pretty safe item to go for most of the time?

It's efficient compared to stacking Cloth Armors and Longswords but pretty much awful compared to Cutlass. Item efficiency should be compared to the relative levels you could get from spending your gold elsewhere; it doesn't really matter than X item is gold-efficient because practically every item in the game is gold-efficient. The stats should be compared real items as a baseline. For example, Rageblade is efficient compared to stacking Blasting Wands, but for a AD/AP hybrid items, the baseline should be Hexetech Revolver.

i hear ohmwrecker is gold efficient and randuins is not
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
May 21 2013 23:43 GMT
#1793
On May 22 2013 08:06 sung_moon wrote:
Just played a normal where I was Janna with a Graves vs a Cait/Sona lane. Besides timing my shields to counter Sona/Cait pokes and then walking forward to get some autos in, we were pretty much pushed to tower from level 2, missed CS under tower, and overall got bullied hard. Didn't help that our jungler wasn't ganking bot either. Also some moments I felt he could of bursted Sona dangerously low when she went to poke but w/e.

Basically what I'm saying is, was there anything really Janna can do vs Sona/strong laning ADC besides time shields vs her poke, disrupt with Q, and wait for ganks?

It's the adc that have to do the work, not you. I think what you could do is to time your whirlwind when the enemy got slow by Grave's bomb. For example, Grave hangs around to get 10 charge armor, then dash and spam QW, you time your whirlwind to knock somebody up so that Graves can auto attack that person. 10 charge of armor + shield + bonus damage + slow = deadly.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
May 21 2013 23:50 GMT
#1794
On May 22 2013 08:42 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 08:40 xes wrote:
On May 22 2013 08:30 FinestHour wrote:
is wriggles a decent pickup for top laners? my friend was telling me about the cost efficiency of the item as well as the spirit stone items, are they matchup specific or pretty safe item to go for most of the time?

It's efficient compared to stacking Cloth Armors and Longswords but pretty much awful compared to Cutlass. Item efficiency should be compared to the relative levels you could get from spending your gold elsewhere; it doesn't really matter than X item is gold-efficient because practically every item in the game is gold-efficient. The stats should be compared real items as a baseline. For example, Rageblade is efficient compared to stacking Blasting Wands, but for a AD/AP hybrid items, the baseline should be Hexetech Revolver.

i hear ohmwrecker is gold efficient and randuins is not

Pretty sure they're both gold efficient, but it wouldn't surprise me if ohmwrecker is more gold efficient than randuins. It's still kinda bad tho.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 23:55:03
May 21 2013 23:54 GMT
#1795
Ohmwrecker on paper is a good item. The problem with it is on a more tactical level. The games in which Ohmwrecker would be the "correct" buy and give you an advantage over other Philo stone items, you're already winning those games, and don't really need Ohmwrecker to close them out.

Banner of Command is in a real similar situation.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
May 21 2013 23:59 GMT
#1796
Ohmwrecker is basically required on a team where you don't run an ADC. If you survive past lane phase it's really difficult to defend towers against a team with five dudes who can all dive your squishies and your tower won't protect you at all due to wrecker passive. Sadly the cooldown is just way too long.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
May 22 2013 00:08 GMT
#1797
Ohmwrecker is gold efficient on the wiki because it values 15 Hp5 and 15 Mp5 at 1.3k gold.

No one actually pays that much for mana regen because when you think "hmm I need mana regen" you don't stack Faerie Charms, you get a Chalice.
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 00:12:20
May 22 2013 00:09 GMT
#1798
On May 22 2013 08:42 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 08:40 xes wrote:
On May 22 2013 08:30 FinestHour wrote:
is wriggles a decent pickup for top laners? my friend was telling me about the cost efficiency of the item as well as the spirit stone items, are they matchup specific or pretty safe item to go for most of the time?

It's efficient compared to stacking Cloth Armors and Longswords but pretty much awful compared to Cutlass. Item efficiency should be compared to the relative levels you could get from spending your gold elsewhere; it doesn't really matter than X item is gold-efficient because practically every item in the game is gold-efficient. The stats should be compared real items as a baseline. For example, Rageblade is efficient compared to stacking Blasting Wands, but for a AD/AP hybrid items, the baseline should be Hexetech Revolver.

i hear ohmwrecker is gold efficient and randuins is not

Randuins isn't efficient if you only look at Health and Armor. If you put ZERO VALUE on the AS/MS slow-when-attacked AND on the active, it's gold inefficient.

Anyone who analyzes gold efficiency like that is stupid.

Also, yeah - the wiki values 1 HP5 at 36g. Nobody would buy rejuv beads past the opening build except if they build into things - 5 HP5 is NOT worth 180g on paper. Also, any item that builds out of a rejuv bead gets a regen upgrade "for free" but regen scales poorly as the game goes on because you don't have constant low damage trading attrition fights like you do in early laning.

Likewise, mana regen doesn't scale well either because "at some point you have all the mana you want" (this may involve blue buff for some)

Also, Chalice is like 2 billion gold if you compare it to stacking Faerie charms.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 00:19:32
May 22 2013 00:16 GMT
#1799
Ohmwrecker is a retarded item.

1. Its active is useful in the early game and progressively gets more worthless
2. It has buttloads of regen which is just bad and gets worse later in the game

So clearly it is an Item you would want to get ASAP, yet

3. It costs 3k
4. It is middling AP and health, who are you going to buy it on? Its terrible 1st item compared to a SS item the jungler needs to clear, sightstone which a support needs to ward, or ROA if you want that type of stats on a mid.

The thing is that Riot doesn't want early turret diving, they were really unhappy about all the 3 man volibear dives and stuff when that was really popular, so we get this bipolar useless item that they really don't want us to use at all.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 22 2013 00:46 GMT
#1800
Anyone else getting life-crushing lag on NA?
It's your boy Guzma!
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