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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-02 23:55:54
June 02 2013 23:55 GMT
#4901
On June 03 2013 06:52 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2013 06:35 AsnSensation wrote:
On June 03 2013 06:31 cLutZ wrote:
On June 03 2013 06:18 HREParabola wrote:
On June 03 2013 06:00 MoonBear wrote:
Just going to say that I was spectating Hoodstomp's Pantheon and Spirit of the Elder Lizard is ridonk on him. Just crushed face left and right.


This is great news, because panth is so much fun to play. Easily one of my most favorite heroes in the game.

Any more info on how he was playing it?


SOTLE is just broken right now. You could build it on Annie to decent results. Any build that uses it is not to be trusted.


It's not broken at all, infact it's not even a crucial part of the "blue ezreal" build as doublelift has shown. What's so good on Bluezreal is Muramana's new synergy with last whisper+IBG Mystic Shot spam. The burn on from Elder Lizard alone is almost neglectable.

Maybe you and I have just different Opinion on what "broken" is.

It was a (maybe) broken item before the 3 nerfs ( during the time when Vi was fp/ban jungler status)

An item that has regen that you build on champs without mana as a core item is pretty broken imo.

It's ridiculous how cost-effective this spirit of elder liz is.

at 2k gold, 10% CDR, a little bit of regen, and between pickaxe / BF sword AD, plus a small amount of DOT damage isn't really OP. It's stupid cost efficient on a jungler, where it acts to basically remove machete as a 300 gold penalty.

It has a smoother buildup than BF sword which can help a lot if your lane is going awkwardly, or if you get a good timing to do an early recall (1200 gold instead of 1550 gold to go from 2x longsword -> completed item, and that's not even considering that you might actaully enjoy having a faerie charm in your inventory.)

Blue ezreal's strength has little to do with Elder Lizard. If they completely removed elder lizard spirit from the game, people could still do blue ezreal, replacing the elder lizard with a brutalizer. Muramana and IBG are the abused items, everything else is just "I want max cdr to abuse these two items."
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
June 03 2013 00:00 GMT
#4902
Elder lizard is such a nice early game boost though.If they remove it ez would have 0 pressure in lane early.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
June 03 2013 00:06 GMT
#4903
On June 03 2013 09:00 nafta wrote:
Elder lizard is such a nice early game boost though.If they remove it ez would have 0 pressure in lane early.


I don't know what world you live in, but it's not the one I'm living in. O_O
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
June 03 2013 00:10 GMT
#4904
I have to admit, the TPA bundle picture had me confused. When I looked at it, I thought that Ezreal was actually Vi. I didn't realise my mistake until after I had checked the bundle contents.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
June 03 2013 00:14 GMT
#4905
On June 03 2013 09:10 Nikon wrote:
I have to admit, the TPA bundle picture had me confused. When I looked at it, I thought that Ezreal was actually Vi. I didn't realise my mistake until after I had checked the bundle contents.

TPA so OP they win with champions not even released.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
June 03 2013 00:41 GMT
#4906
On June 03 2013 09:00 nafta wrote:
Elder lizard is such a nice early game boost though.If they remove it ez would have 0 pressure in lane early.

And brutalizer doesn't? :p
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
June 03 2013 01:18 GMT
#4907
did they change something about dianas ult? im having problems with not getting my resets.


Maybe im just terrible, though. Or the Eu server was lagging.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
June 03 2013 01:29 GMT
#4908
On June 03 2013 08:53 Badboyrune wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2013 06:18 M2 wrote:
Off topic, but did not want to open new thread for it, so a question: Which support can support adequately teemo bot? My main is support and I can play quite few of them decently, for each adc i have preferences what to pick, however, lately several times i had to support teemo, ap teemo coz u know ap teemo > ad teemo and no matter what support i take we always lose the lane, somehow he is weak to harass and weak to all in, weak to engage etc.After the lane phase they are doing quite ok if we were not that behind, but during the lane I had no idea what kind of support to take to be able to help him, tried more aggressive as taric, lulu, tried sustain nami, soraka but still nothing:-)) so help with ideas


Go leblanc and just kill them. Unless you come out of the lane way ahead chances are you're never winning a team fight or pushing towers with an teemo and no ad

Teemos not that shitty of an adc. Just watch your reps with teemo. Leona goes well with any chamP that has a poison to proc her passive. Janna might be better at saving teemo from tanks but maybe if he's losing trades Raka can keep him better sustained.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 03 2013 01:33 GMT
#4909
Does anyone have some tips for me to change my mindset? I always hear pros and high level people talk about how they focus on only improving themselves and stuff, but I'm like the opposite. I've been banned multiple times for toxic behavior (mostly bming teammates) and I get really frustrated when people make mistakes in game. I go on huge losing streaks because I go on tilt after a loss, instead of learning from it. It's like, I know what I should be doing, but once I get into game I forget completely about learning and just improving, it's all about getting the win. How can one fix that?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 03 2013 01:35 GMT
#4910
On June 03 2013 10:33 IMoperator wrote:
Does anyone have some tips for me to change my mindset? I always hear pros and high level people talk about how they focus on only improving themselves and stuff, but I'm like the opposite. I've been banned multiple times for toxic behavior (mostly bming teammates) and I get really frustrated when people make mistakes in game. I go on huge losing streaks because I go on tilt after a loss, instead of learning from it. It's like, I know what I should be doing, but once I get into game I forget completely about learning and just improving, it's all about getting the win. How can one fix that?


I donno. Mute yourself?
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
June 03 2013 01:46 GMT
#4911
On June 02 2013 21:34 Chexx wrote:
ahq just wiping the floor with TPA and SGS

A little late to the party, but westdoor is clearly OP. SAY HIS NAME.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
June 03 2013 01:50 GMT
#4912
On June 03 2013 10:46 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 21:34 Chexx wrote:
ahq just wiping the floor with TPA and SGS

A little late to the party, but westdoor is clearly OP. SAY HIS NAME.


For diction purposes I do say west-door not wesdoor when saying his name. It's what broadcasting has taught me.
Hey! How you doin'?
Sven Stryker
Profile Joined December 2011
United States423 Posts
June 03 2013 01:53 GMT
#4913
On June 03 2013 10:33 IMoperator wrote:
Does anyone have some tips for me to change my mindset? I always hear pros and high level people talk about how they focus on only improving themselves and stuff, but I'm like the opposite. I've been banned multiple times for toxic behavior (mostly bming teammates) and I get really frustrated when people make mistakes in game. I go on huge losing streaks because I go on tilt after a loss, instead of learning from it. It's like, I know what I should be doing, but once I get into game I forget completely about learning and just improving, it's all about getting the win. How can one fix that?

Set some goals. Find other things to aim for than the win. The obvious one is trying to improve last hitting and set a CS goal for a certain time. You can also try to keep track of all enemies on the map. Set a timer to go off repeatedly, and if you don't know where all the enemies are, you haven't succeeded. Try to make good calls based on this information to help lead your allies even if you lose. Be a positive influence on the team.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
June 03 2013 01:57 GMT
#4914
The most under appreciated skill in league of legends is how to talk strategy amongst a team of strangers without pissing anyone off.
Hey! How you doin'?
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
June 03 2013 02:05 GMT
#4915
On June 03 2013 10:57 Zdrastochye wrote:
The most under appreciated skill in league of legends is how to talk strategy amongst a team of strangers without pissing anyone off.


Nope, that would be knowing when to mute someone instead of listening to their shit.
Useless wet fish.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 02:11:37
June 03 2013 02:05 GMT
#4916
On June 03 2013 10:33 IMoperator wrote:
Does anyone have some tips for me to change my mindset? I always hear pros and high level people talk about how they focus on only improving themselves and stuff, but I'm like the opposite. I've been banned multiple times for toxic behavior (mostly bming teammates) and I get really frustrated when people make mistakes in game. I go on huge losing streaks because I go on tilt after a loss, instead of learning from it. It's like, I know what I should be doing, but once I get into game I forget completely about learning and just improving, it's all about getting the win. How can one fix that?

Replays will help you analyze things when you are calm.

Anger is an issue of mindset. I don't have that problem of being toxic very often. I guess I try not to start fights and mute people when they say anything toxic. If you need to mute yourself you could always key bind messages to something other than enter or set a macro that hits enter twice when you press it to prevent you from sending anything in game. only if you really need to.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
June 03 2013 02:05 GMT
#4917
On June 03 2013 11:05 Capped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2013 10:57 Zdrastochye wrote:
The most under appreciated skill in league of legends is how to talk strategy amongst a team of strangers without pissing anyone off.


Nope, that would be knowing when to mute someone instead of listening to their shit.


That's not a skill at all. Communication is.
Hey! How you doin'?
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
June 03 2013 02:12 GMT
#4918
On June 03 2013 08:55 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2013 06:52 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On June 03 2013 06:35 AsnSensation wrote:
On June 03 2013 06:31 cLutZ wrote:
On June 03 2013 06:18 HREParabola wrote:
On June 03 2013 06:00 MoonBear wrote:
Just going to say that I was spectating Hoodstomp's Pantheon and Spirit of the Elder Lizard is ridonk on him. Just crushed face left and right.


This is great news, because panth is so much fun to play. Easily one of my most favorite heroes in the game.

Any more info on how he was playing it?


SOTLE is just broken right now. You could build it on Annie to decent results. Any build that uses it is not to be trusted.


It's not broken at all, infact it's not even a crucial part of the "blue ezreal" build as doublelift has shown. What's so good on Bluezreal is Muramana's new synergy with last whisper+IBG Mystic Shot spam. The burn on from Elder Lizard alone is almost neglectable.

Maybe you and I have just different Opinion on what "broken" is.

It was a (maybe) broken item before the 3 nerfs ( during the time when Vi was fp/ban jungler status)

An item that has regen that you build on champs without mana as a core item is pretty broken imo.

It's ridiculous how cost-effective this spirit of elder liz is.

at 2k gold, 10% CDR, a little bit of regen, and between pickaxe / BF sword AD, plus a small amount of DOT damage isn't really OP. It's stupid cost efficient on a jungler, where it acts to basically remove machete as a 300 gold penalty.

It has a smoother buildup than BF sword which can help a lot if your lane is going awkwardly, or if you get a good timing to do an early recall (1200 gold instead of 1550 gold to go from 2x longsword -> completed item, and that's not even considering that you might actaully enjoy having a faerie charm in your inventory.)

Blue ezreal's strength has little to do with Elder Lizard. If they completely removed elder lizard spirit from the game, people could still do blue ezreal, replacing the elder lizard with a brutalizer. Muramana and IBG are the abused items, everything else is just "I want max cdr to abuse these two items."

That true damage dot is nothing to sneeze at and for 663 more gold you get +20 damage compared to brutalizer NOT counting the true damage dot which procs on every ability including ult and w. I'd rather have SotEL than literally anything else that costs under 3k on Ezreal except maybe a transformed muramana.

It's getting nerfed for obvious reasons. I don't know what your definition of OP is, but this is close to original locket level of versatility to me.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 02:22:21
June 03 2013 02:18 GMT
#4919
On June 03 2013 11:05 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2013 11:05 Capped wrote:
On June 03 2013 10:57 Zdrastochye wrote:
The most under appreciated skill in league of legends is how to talk strategy amongst a team of strangers without pissing anyone off.


Nope, that would be knowing when to mute someone instead of listening to their shit.


That's not a skill at all. Communication is.


There are some people you just cannot communicate with, if you play league you would know this.

AKA you go 0-1 and its "OMFG NOOB U NOOB AFK AFK FUCKING NOOB OMFG NOOB WTF JAJAJAJAJAJJAJA"
"Ja" is probably my number #1 hated word in the entire fucking planet because of these tards.

EDIT: Almost forgot "FAGGIT R-TARD!!"
Useless wet fish.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
June 03 2013 02:24 GMT
#4920
On June 03 2013 11:18 Capped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2013 11:05 Zdrastochye wrote:
On June 03 2013 11:05 Capped wrote:
On June 03 2013 10:57 Zdrastochye wrote:
The most under appreciated skill in league of legends is how to talk strategy amongst a team of strangers without pissing anyone off.


Nope, that would be knowing when to mute someone instead of listening to their shit.


That's not a skill at all. Communication is.


There are some people you just cannot communicate with, if you play league you would know this.

AKA you go 0-1 and its "OMFG NOOB U NOOB AFK AFK FUCKING NOOB OMFG NOOB WTF JAJAJAJAJAJJAJA"
"Ja" is probably my number #1 hated word in the entire fucking planet because of these tards.

EDIT: Almost forgot "FAGGIT R-TARD!!"


So if you're trying to make a point, I don't see it. So if you want anyone to believe you, you have to be right at least 1% of the time. If I do in fact play the game, then you're wrong, and so is your analysis.

Did you forget you're not posting in Shikyo's thread? Cause you seem angry for no reason.
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