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On June 03 2013 06:35 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 06:31 cLutZ wrote:On June 03 2013 06:18 HREParabola wrote:On June 03 2013 06:00 MoonBear wrote:
Just going to say that I was spectating Hoodstomp's Pantheon and Spirit of the Elder Lizard is ridonk on him. Just crushed face left and right. This is great news, because panth is so much fun to play. Easily one of my most favorite heroes in the game. Any more info on how he was playing it? SOTLE is just broken right now. You could build it on Annie to decent results. Any build that uses it is not to be trusted. It's not broken at all, infact it's not even a crucial part of the "blue ezreal" build as doublelift has shown. What's so good on Bluezreal is Muramana's new synergy with last whisper+IBG Mystic Shot spam. The burn on from Elder Lizard alone is almost neglectable. Maybe you and I have just different Opinion on what "broken" is. It was a (maybe) broken item before the 3 nerfs ( during the time when Vi was fp/ban jungler status)
An item that has regen that you build on champs without mana as a core item is pretty broken imo.
It's ridiculous how cost-effective this spirit of elder liz is.
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That's why it's getting nerfed.
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I'm seeing Lizard elder on basically every AD toplaner, most junglers that get an early kill, and even mixed damage champs like Yorik.
Maybe people are dumb. But they are taking away 10 AD on the PBE without any cost adjustment.
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I've been going Elder Lizard on Talon for a while now, I like it.
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So I just played a few games with friends, decided to use the opportunity to play a bit of AD and... everything went wrong.
First game the Sona support gets hooked at level 1 and proceeds to die, I then die myself for whatever reason I can't remember during the 1v2, so we're obviously pretty behind (Graves+Sona vs Varus+Blitz).
Second game I'm in our crescent bush and I'm figuring that with Lux and Blitz they won't try to invade us so I go to close the shutter, turns out I die and Caitlyn gets the fb money, so she's a short sword ahead of me in lane (and they do golems to top it off) and we get pushed to tower super fast after we fail to burst Janna, letting Cait put me pretty low (Graves+Blitz vs Janna+Cait).
Now, there are several things to take into account here:
- I'm a pretty trash AD (and Graves' base AS makes me weep).
- I think in terms of game sense/knowledge I was a lot stronger than the Varus, and probably on the same level as Cait (Janna was blatantly better than us, tho), however for all the credit I gave the friend who played support in the past she seemed to lag behind, especially when it comes to bush control and being aggro. I dunno if it's exclusively playing coops that dulled her senses so much, or the fact that I improved since then and have higher "expectations" (as in, I played the same as I'd do when solo, where people have a generally higher level than her).
- I was using ArPen marks and AD quints.
I fell behind and was pressured a lot (low health/lack of bush control/enemy shoving or not pushing at all) which lead to a big cs difference, most of which came not from me being denied, but simply missing cs. My mechanics are naturally bad, but that was way worse.
Being behind and snowballed upon probably explained while I fell short from instaclear AD threshold (level 2 W + Q to kill the ranged minions, + a hit for each melee) which accounts for a bunch of missed cs when I tried it, minions left alive with 14 HP that I couldn't all get, etc.
Makes me wonder if the lack of AD in runes had a part in it, too. I don't play AD too often, but in my few previous games after switching from AD/AD to ArPen/Lifesteal I didn't have any problem farming (I never was so behind too). Is it a risk with those runes that farming becomes rough, or does it usually have no issues of that kind and I should look elsewhere for flaws?
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If Shen uses taunt and then immediately activates Zhonya's Hourglass, what happens? Do the enemies just run at you for the duration of the taunt?
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On June 03 2013 07:20 c.Deadly wrote:
If Shen uses taunt and then immediately activates Zhonya's Hourglass, what happens? Do the enemies just run at you for the duration of the taunt?
I assume it acts similarly to if Shen dies immediately after taunt where the taunt breaks because Shen is no longer a valid target.
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On June 03 2013 07:18 Alaric wrote:
So I just played a few games with friends, decided to use the opportunity to play a bit of AD and... everything went wrong.
First game the Sona support gets hooked at level 1 and proceeds to die, I then die myself for whatever reason I can't remember during the 1v2, so we're obviously pretty behind (Graves+Sona vs Varus+Blitz).
Second game I'm in our crescent bush and I'm figuring that with Lux and Blitz they won't try to invade us so I go to close the shutter, turns out I die and Caitlyn gets the fb money, so she's a short sword ahead of me in lane (and they do golems to top it off) and we get pushed to tower super fast after we fail to burst Janna, letting Cait put me pretty low (Graves+Blitz vs Janna+Cait).
Now, there are several things to take into account here:
- I'm a pretty trash AD (and Graves' base AS makes me weep).
- I think in terms of game sense/knowledge I was a lot stronger than the Varus, and probably on the same level as Cait (Janna was blatantly better than us, tho), however for all the credit I gave the friend who played support in the past she seemed to lag behind, especially when it comes to bush control and being aggro. I dunno if it's exclusively playing coops that dulled her senses so much, or the fact that I improved since then and have higher "expectations" (as in, I played the same as I'd do when solo, where people have a generally higher level than her).
- I was using ArPen marks and AD quints.
I fell behind and was pressured a lot (low health/lack of bush control/enemy shoving or not pushing at all) which lead to a big cs difference, most of which came not from me being denied, but simply missing cs. My mechanics are naturally bad, but that was way worse.
Being behind and snowballed upon probably explained while I fell short from instaclear AD threshold (level 2 W + Q to kill the ranged minions, + a hit for each melee) which accounts for a bunch of missed cs when I tried it, minions left alive with 14 HP that I couldn't all get, etc.
Makes me wonder if the lack of AD in runes had a part in it, too. I don't play AD too often, but in my few previous games after switching from AD/AD to ArPen/Lifesteal I didn't have any problem farming (I never was so behind too). Is it a risk with those runes that farming becomes rough, or does it usually have no issues of that kind and I should look elsewhere for flaws?
I suck at playing AD, but personally I run AD runes because then I can last hit at tower. I dunno, for solo queue I'd run AD, but if you confident that your support can prime minions for you under tower then lifesteal prolly better.
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On June 03 2013 06:25 HazMat wrote:
Either Diamond has gotten really rusty of his Lee Sin is extremely overrated. He's an amazing jungler that plays Lee Sin, not an amazing Lee Sin. 2 different things. IMO
he doesn't even smartcast wardhops i mean cmon.
was he ever considered best lee sin? he is /was considered the best jungler but i dont consider him best lee player mechanics wise, OT i envy froggen, u can say alot about his champion pool or playstyle but not many players come close to him when it comes to mechanics, when he had his lee marathon he played better than 99% of lee mains.
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On June 03 2013 06:18 M2 wrote:
Off topic, but did not want to open new thread for it, so a question: Which support can support adequately teemo bot? My main is support and I can play quite few of them decently, for each adc i have preferences what to pick, however, lately several times i had to support teemo, ap teemo coz u know ap teemo > ad teemo and no matter what support i take we always lose the lane, somehow he is weak to harass and weak to all in, weak to engage etc.After the lane phase they are doing quite ok if we were not that behind, but during the lane I had no idea what kind of support to take to be able to help him, tried more aggressive as taric, lulu, tried sustain nami, soraka but still nothing:-)) so help with ideas
For starters, Teemo is shit in bot lane because you can't take advantage of what makes top lane Teemo so good anywhere near as well (the ability to outrange the nearly all melee top laners and then kite them with your superior mobility). Most, in fact everyone but Sivir and non-W Kog, out range Teemo. If you try to get around your range disadvantage by using blind to harass you will run oom and be unable to blind to try and survive an all-in. Some ADCs like Graves, MF, and Quinn can all-in you despite your blind and probably still kill you.
The most obvious solution would be to take a support that's OP at lane phase and 1v2. That leaves two supports, Lulu and Thresh. Lulu is going to be harder to pull off and less reliable. So I'd go with Thresh. If you land a hook you solve Teemo's, "I have 500 range," issue. If you don't land hooks you can still rely on Thresh's very strong harass and crazy all-in potential at level 6 assuming you hit 6 before the enemy bot.
As a general rule though Teemo is bad in botlane. If someone has to botlane and doesn't want to play ADC for some reason they'd be better off playing a standard mage imo, preferably one with hard CC like Annie or Orianna. Honestly I've seriously run Annie, Ahri, and Orianna bot lane. Buillding them as ADCs (not advisable) and as traditional mages. Annie or Ahri built as a traditional mage = almost guaranteed kill at level 6 if your support has hard CC too. Sona is probably the most versatile, Lulu works well with Ahri because she can ult you when you ult the enemy, and I really like Leona or Taric with Annie because double stun is pretty broken.
edit: Oh and if you run Teemo or a standard mage in bot lane you have to pray that they don't pick Caitlyn. She is the most obnoxious thing to deal with. If they pick a tankier support like Leona or Alistar that can be annoying too but Caitlyn makes early game harass way harder than other ADCs.
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Annie Sona level 2 all in pretty hilarious. Double flash stun power chord will burst any adc from 50% or so to 0 and they can't stop it.
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On June 03 2013 07:36 Ketara wrote:
Annie Sona level 2 all in pretty hilarious. Double flash stun power chord will burst any adc from 50% or so to 0 and they can't stop it.
I've been playing Fizz support 30/0/0 dual pen marks
It's really hard to survive until you can start bursting people but once you do it's not even fair, and then you have like lichbane and parts of zhonyas as a support
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On June 03 2013 08:10 Slayer91 wrote:
or just play draven
Support draven sounds pretty stronk tbh
Probably rush SotEL anyway
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On June 02 2013 15:57 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 15:47 Zooper31 wrote:On June 02 2013 15:35 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On June 02 2013 12:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i actually got my g500 from riot at pax as well as a razer LoL mousepad I bought the mousepad, and was going to get one of the free mice they were tossing out to the crowd when a large, fat nerd literally stole the mouse of the hands of young lil me. He had to wrench it out. Worst feeling I had in a long time :| EDIT: Said fuck it and bought a DeathAdder, best mouse I've ever played with. Been looking at the Deathadder at work for awhile. My mouse button is double clicking sometimes and I can't control when it happens. Employee discount makes it like $40. Just gotta get fed up with my old mouse enough before I buy it though lol. Just wait for the TSM DeathAdder to come out. Because everyone loves TSM the most.
Not sure if joking or not because I would totally buy a TSM DeathAdder lol.
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TSM has won the Razer Team of the year contest but isn't actually sponsored by them anymore so don't expect it anytime soon...
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On June 03 2013 08:23 AsnSensation wrote:
TSM has won the Razer Team of the year contest but isn't actually sponsored by them anymore so don't expect it anytime soon...
It was nearly a year before the CLG Deathadder came out. Razer might not sponsor TSM but that doesn't mean they won't want to rake in money on a sure-to-sell TSM mouse. Although it's certainly possible they might not release it I would imagine that some sort of contract was signed to create a TSM DeathAdder if they won...although maybe TSM voided that contract by cutting ties with them as a sponsor, I don't really know.
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On June 03 2013 08:28 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 08:23 AsnSensation wrote:
TSM has won the Razer Team of the year contest but isn't actually sponsored by them anymore so don't expect it anytime soon... It was nearly a year before the CLG Deathadder came out. Razer might not sponsor TSM but that doesn't mean they won't want to rake in money on a sure-to-sell TSM mouse. Although it's certainly possible they might not release it I would imagine that some sort of contract was signed to create a TSM DeathAdder if they won...although maybe TSM voided that contract by cutting ties with them as a sponsor, I don't really know.
there was already a statement that TSM will not get their mouse... nr2 is getting it and that is CLG.
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On June 03 2013 08:32 ExoFun wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 08:28 overt wrote:On June 03 2013 08:23 AsnSensation wrote:
TSM has won the Razer Team of the year contest but isn't actually sponsored by them anymore so don't expect it anytime soon... It was nearly a year before the CLG Deathadder came out. Razer might not sponsor TSM but that doesn't mean they won't want to rake in money on a sure-to-sell TSM mouse. Although it's certainly possible they might not release it I would imagine that some sort of contract was signed to create a TSM DeathAdder if they won...although maybe TSM voided that contract by cutting ties with them as a sponsor, I don't really know. there was already a statement that TSM will not get their mouse... nr2 is getting it and that is CLG.
Oh, interesting. It'd be kind of funny if they just didn't bother designing a new one and used the same design as last year's mouse. As much as I love CLG I don't really want to buy another DeathAdder just because it has their logo on it. Especially if it's the same design as last years since I think that mouse looks ugly.
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On June 03 2013 06:18 M2 wrote:
Off topic, but did not want to open new thread for it, so a question: Which support can support adequately teemo bot? My main is support and I can play quite few of them decently, for each adc i have preferences what to pick, however, lately several times i had to support teemo, ap teemo coz u know ap teemo > ad teemo and no matter what support i take we always lose the lane, somehow he is weak to harass and weak to all in, weak to engage etc.After the lane phase they are doing quite ok if we were not that behind, but during the lane I had no idea what kind of support to take to be able to help him, tried more aggressive as taric, lulu, tried sustain nami, soraka but still nothing:-)) so help with ideas
Go leblanc and just kill them. Unless you come out of the lane way ahead chances are you're never winning a team fight or pushing towers with an teemo and no ad
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