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On May 29 2013 06:18 nafta wrote:
What does bw have to do with league lol?The only thing from bw that can be useful for you is to look at minimap but considering this skill is pretty much a myth until pros(even then it's not that good lol) I really don't understand why would being good in a 1v1 rts game help you in a 5v5 moba.I guess experience is a factor too but you could get it from any game.
The most important thing from BW that translates into LoL is the right mindset about improving at a game in the face of bullshit and adversity.
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bullshit like tanks and dts
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On May 29 2013 07:02 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 06:18 nafta wrote:
What does bw have to do with league lol?The only thing from bw that can be useful for you is to look at minimap but considering this skill is pretty much a myth until pros(even then it's not that good lol) I really don't understand why would being good in a 1v1 rts game help you in a 5v5 moba.I guess experience is a factor too but you could get it from any game. The most important thing from BW that translates into LoL is the right mindset about improving at a game in the face of bullshit and adversity.
The idea that LoL has the level of bullshit that BW had is laughable.
For those of you non-BW players, getting cannon rushed or 4 pooled in BW is like... showing up to top lane, only to realize that every enemy player is suddenly now Garen and you just facechecked a bush with all 5 in it.
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On May 29 2013 06:04 JonGalt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 05:49 AsmodeusXI wrote:On May 29 2013 05:43 JonGalt wrote:On May 29 2013 05:35 Chrispy wrote:We had originally planned for Aphromoo to take over my spot top lane when I stepped down. Unfortunately, after several weeks spamming top and taking a short break after this Spring Split of LCS, he decided his heart just wasn't in top lane. I can respect that. Props to Aphro and I'm sure he'll have no trouble finding a team to play ADC on being as popular as he is. I feel like Nien's heart isn't in top lane either and don't think switching roles is as easy as Chauster/HSGG seem to think it is. Could be wrong though. HSGG has got a point when he says the actually season doesn't even really matter and it'll give Nien plenty of time to learn it though. We shall seeeee. I like Jiji and Nien as people (is that the gayest thing I've ever said?) so I kind of want CLG to succeed more now than ever. Seems like all of a sudden CLG turned into the nice guy team lol. Definitely respect Aphro for not wanting to Top lane. Plus I really like his ADC and would love to see him picked up. I know for myself I just don't like the traditional bot lane in general. I will support way before I ADC though. Mid > Top = Jungle >> Support >>>>>>>>>> ADC Oh that's a fun discussion! Where do people think their roles are skill-wise? Support > Jungle > Mid >> Top >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADC for me. When I get back home in July, we'll duo as a support + AP bot lane all the way to Challenger league. Then we'll get picked up by Dig and help them throw just to piss off Alaric.
Come at me, you're still too green behind the ears when it comes to throwing, they've got years of experience.
If it goes by quantity:
Jungle > Support >> Top >>>> Mid >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AD Carry (I barely play it, and none at all in ranked)
Quality... I dunno. It's hard to evaluate how much I do when jungling, and my top is still too volatile. My support has wide results (80%+ with Leona, way ahead of the rest). So I guess it's Leona > Viktor > Top > Other supports >>>> AD, and Jungle somewhere in there between Leona and other supports.
What I enjoy would prob be Mid > Top + tanky supports/junglers > support > jungle > AD (or AD > jungle).
Also put support and jungle right at the end when I've had to play them 15 games in a row. z_z
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On May 29 2013 07:08 SagaZ wrote:
bullshit like tanks and dts
Now imagine if DTs could fly. Hm.
On May 29 2013 07:09 AwayFromLife wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 07:02 TheYango wrote:On May 29 2013 06:18 nafta wrote:
What does bw have to do with league lol?The only thing from bw that can be useful for you is to look at minimap but considering this skill is pretty much a myth until pros(even then it's not that good lol) I really don't understand why would being good in a 1v1 rts game help you in a 5v5 moba.I guess experience is a factor too but you could get it from any game. The most important thing from BW that translates into LoL is the right mindset about improving at a game in the face of bullshit and adversity. The idea that LoL has the level of bullshit that BW had is laughable. For those of you non-BW players, getting cannon rushed or 4 pooled in BW is like... showing up to top lane, only to realize that every enemy player is suddenly now Garen and you just facechecked a bush with all 5 in it.
I dunno, release Vayne, Xin and stuff were pretty nuts. Or we could go back to Beta TF lol.
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On May 29 2013 07:02 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 06:18 nafta wrote:
What does bw have to do with league lol?The only thing from bw that can be useful for you is to look at minimap but considering this skill is pretty much a myth until pros(even then it's not that good lol) I really don't understand why would being good in a 1v1 rts game help you in a 5v5 moba.I guess experience is a factor too but you could get it from any game. The most important thing from BW that translates into LoL is the right mindset about improving at a game in the face of bullshit and adversity.
What bullshit?In lol it's a lot worse.People cheesing me was a gift from god compared to half the teammates I get ^^.
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United States37500 Posts
On May 29 2013 07:02 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 06:18 nafta wrote:
What does bw have to do with league lol?The only thing from bw that can be useful for you is to look at minimap but considering this skill is pretty much a myth until pros(even then it's not that good lol) I really don't understand why would being good in a 1v1 rts game help you in a 5v5 moba.I guess experience is a factor too but you could get it from any game. The most important thing from BW that translates into LoL is the right mindset about improving at a game in the face of bullshit and adversity.
Yeah, I noticed this as well. Not sure if it's the team play mentality of things, but people don't really take responsibilities for their losses in League. I guess with BW, there's no one else to blame.
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On May 29 2013 06:13 Parametric wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 06:11 Arisen wrote:On May 29 2013 05:11 Diamond wrote:On May 29 2013 05:00 Arisen wrote:On May 29 2013 04:54 Diamond wrote:On May 29 2013 04:45 Arisen wrote:
So, im starting another account because I'm tired of dealing with my ranked game bug, What bug? Im losing 6 or more times the LP per ranked game than I win (usually 1LP per win, 6-25 per loss). I also seem to get a lot of AFK/DCs, etc. I've been told its because LoL thinks my MMR or whatever should be lower so it's trying to get me to where it wants me by making me lose more points than I could possibly gain (I had a friend tell me that he thinks they're putting me on the team with the lower combined MMR as well, but I think it's just a coincidence that I get quite a lot of DCs/AFKs). That's not a bug, not even close to one..... Either bug or working as intended, I was in high silver when i stopped playing, now that I've started playing again after a long hiatus, I've worked my way almost down to bronze 3 because of this issue. It's no fun for me as a play much worse players than myself only to keep dropping because LoL thinks my MMR should be lower so i can finally reach some equilibrium then steamroll back up. If it is an intended function, I think it's decidedly unfun. This topic smells like sulfur and ash but... if they're that much worse than you you should win far more than you lose and you'll start climbing soon.
you realize I could win 80% of my games and still lose LP right now? its discouraging when it happens. I've lost all motivation to play ranked because of this. I clamped at 90 in gold 1, then they patched the clamping issue to be more spread out, and now im gaining 1-3 LP at 40LP, and losing 6-10 for a loss. How many games of this until I actually start climbing? 10? 30? 50? its obnoxious. I steamrolled from gold 3 to 90LP gold 1. I win my lane 95% of the time. I AM winning more than I lose, and I'm not climbing. Mostly because I can't stand playing more than 4 ranked games a week. Go 3-1? -5 LP. fuck that, see you on Howling Abyss.
edit: yes, I'll admit to being an ego driven number lover if you promise not to tell me to ignore LP/league and just focus improving.
preference:
top = mid = adc > jungle > support
skillwise:
top = support > adc = mid >>>>>>jungle
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On May 29 2013 07:08 SagaZ wrote:
bullshit like tanks and dts
Do you mean a peeler, bruiser or initiator? /trollface
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On May 29 2013 05:49 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Oh that's a fun discussion! Where do people think their roles are skill-wise?
Support > Jungle > Mid >> Top >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADC for me.
Support > Jungle >> ADC >>>Mid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Top.
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On May 29 2013 05:49 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 05:43 JonGalt wrote:On May 29 2013 05:35 Chrispy wrote:We had originally planned for Aphromoo to take over my spot top lane when I stepped down. Unfortunately, after several weeks spamming top and taking a short break after this Spring Split of LCS, he decided his heart just wasn't in top lane. I can respect that. Props to Aphro and I'm sure he'll have no trouble finding a team to play ADC on being as popular as he is. I feel like Nien's heart isn't in top lane either and don't think switching roles is as easy as Chauster/HSGG seem to think it is. Could be wrong though. HSGG has got a point when he says the actually season doesn't even really matter and it'll give Nien plenty of time to learn it though. We shall seeeee. I like Jiji and Nien as people (is that the gayest thing I've ever said?) so I kind of want CLG to succeed more now than ever. Seems like all of a sudden CLG turned into the nice guy team lol. Definitely respect Aphro for not wanting to Top lane. Plus I really like his ADC and would love to see him picked up. I know for myself I just don't like the traditional bot lane in general. I will support way before I ADC though. Mid > Top = Jungle >> Support >>>>>>>>>> ADC Oh that's a fun discussion! Where do people think their roles are skill-wise? Support > Jungle > Mid >> Top >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADC for me.
Top = Mid = Jungle >>>>>>> Support and ADC
i hate bot lane.
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People always want to blame something else than their own ability to play the game. Even IdrA keeps saying that his opponents make "stupid" decision, but in reality any decision that wins you games is a good decision.
On the other hand you have people like Flash who's never satisfied with his current level of play, always looking for improvement and probably wouldn't be happy until he won 100% of his games. That's the kind of attitude you need to have if you want to be really good at something.
Of course a team game does add a lot of randomness to each game that doesn't exist in BW/SC2, but people need to learn how to ignore that and just go for improvement in the long run.
Edit: To add in on my skill in certain positions: Mid >> Jungle >= ADC = Support >>>> Top
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On May 29 2013 07:18 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 07:02 TheYango wrote:On May 29 2013 06:18 nafta wrote:
What does bw have to do with league lol?The only thing from bw that can be useful for you is to look at minimap but considering this skill is pretty much a myth until pros(even then it's not that good lol) I really don't understand why would being good in a 1v1 rts game help you in a 5v5 moba.I guess experience is a factor too but you could get it from any game. The most important thing from BW that translates into LoL is the right mindset about improving at a game in the face of bullshit and adversity. Yeah, I noticed this as well. Not sure if it's the team play mentality of things, but people don't really take responsibilities for their losses in League. I guess with BW, there's no one else to blame.
I would say it is. Everyone has to pull their own weight, and it just feels better on one's ego to believe that someone else is the one who didn't do their job.
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On May 29 2013 07:02 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 06:18 nafta wrote:
What does bw have to do with league lol?The only thing from bw that can be useful for you is to look at minimap but considering this skill is pretty much a myth until pros(even then it's not that good lol) I really don't understand why would being good in a 1v1 rts game help you in a 5v5 moba.I guess experience is a factor too but you could get it from any game. The most important thing from BW that translates into LoL is the right mindset about improving at a game in the face of bullshit and adversity.
Could not agree more. A lot of my non SC friends that have been playing LoL for 1-2 years are all way behind me in ranking because they always have excuses why they lost. When I started ranked, I realized I sucked and had to improve my play. When I was able to put that mindset to work (ie: I actually knew enough to get better), I was able to fly from 700 elo near the end of S2 to Gold V now. They all still are hanging out in Bronze II - Silver IV and have been playing the game longer, but because they don't work on improving their play and instead work on improving their excuses.
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On May 29 2013 07:42 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 07:02 TheYango wrote:On May 29 2013 06:18 nafta wrote:
What does bw have to do with league lol?The only thing from bw that can be useful for you is to look at minimap but considering this skill is pretty much a myth until pros(even then it's not that good lol) I really don't understand why would being good in a 1v1 rts game help you in a 5v5 moba.I guess experience is a factor too but you could get it from any game. The most important thing from BW that translates into LoL is the right mindset about improving at a game in the face of bullshit and adversity. Could not agree more. A lot of my non SC friends that have been playing LoL for 1-2 years are all way behind me in ranking because they always have excuses why they lost. When I started ranked, I realized I sucked and had to improve my play. When I was able to put that mindset to work (ie: I actually knew enough to get better), I was able to fly from 700 elo near the end of S2 to Gold V now. They all still are hanging out in Bronze II - Silver IV and have been playing the game longer, but because they don't work on improving their play and instead work on improving their excuses.
On a related note, now that I think about it, the people I know who were good (gladiator+) at WoW arena, are the ones that are highest in LoL. And improving at a game in the face of bullshit is what WoW is/was all about. The people who blamed OP team comps, gear difference or RNG (not denying they were problems), never got anywhere.
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So, im starting another account because I'm tired of dealing with my ranked game bug, and it would probably just be faster to use a new account than letting my MMR get to wherever LoL wants it at then work my way back up to where I actually am.
I figure this is a good time to pick up and practice a few new champs. Can you guys give me a few recommendations for strong champs in todays meta for each lane (besides the sandard bans?)
Top: I've always mained singed, just because I think he's funny. I don't really play anyone else top unless I absolutely have to, and I'm not really good with any of them.
Mid: I play roam annie because it's very easy. Really the only mid champion I ever play because someone calls it approximately 99% of the time the second they get into the game.
Jungle: I used to play jungle udyr when I first started playing, and haven't touched him yet since I started playing again, and have been focusing mainly on Lee Sin because he's a fun champion that can snowball lanes really well, but his weak late game is definitely annoying.
AD: I really only play ashe. I don't get to play AD much, and when I do I don't really have a big champion pool, so I just pick ashe and play passive and get beefy for late game
Support: What I have to play 75% of my games. My main support is lulu, as I think she is really good at harssing people in lane pretty safely, and has some really good pealing mechanics; she also makes me laugh. If I have a really aggressive AD like draven or maybe MF or EZ I will play leona to try to get some kills, and if i have a more passive champion and I can't/don't want to play lulu I'll go with soraka.
Here's a couple of recommendations:
Top: Jayce/Shen/Cho/Zed
Mid: Zed/TF/Ahri/Lux
ADC: MF/Cait/Trist/Ez/Draven/Twitch
Jungle: Hecrim/Sejuani/J4/Xin/Naut/Mumu/Volibear
Support: Thresh/Sona, You already play lulu and leona and there is never anything wrong with soraka. (she's my highest win rate champ)
On May 29 2013 06:52 Arisen wrote:
1) I'm positive my "long Hiatus" has nothing to do with me losing now. I had played dota during my haitus, my mechanics are better than ever. The only thing i have to improve is my game knowledge. I'm playing support mostly, I always end up positive during my games, i place a ton of wards. I counter ward. People either go afk or go off 1v5 and die over and over and feed people.
2) My league keeps dropping, so I'm playing worse and worse players. It's not fun to play versus worse players. Even if I start winning now, i have to win 100 games right now to up a division (1 LP a win). I'm getting majorly frustrated playing the games I am now, hence I'm starting another account. Now if we could PLEASE get to my original question, that would be great :/
No offense but, you have to look at it in one of two ways. The people around you got worse or you just make a bunch of small mistake along with the rest of you team (I would be pointing at the second option.) Your hiatus will cause your MMR to drop divisions/tiers. Losing that is on the team. Do you try to tell them without raging to stop? Or even try to lead them to victory? Most games aren't lose causes just as easy it is for your team to feed their team can throw just as hard.
Lastly, You put hard work and many hours into this account to make another. Just build yourself back up to where you were.
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Mid > ADC=support > jungle=top
80% of my games are as ADC though cause no one else I play 5s with can reliably ADC
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United States37500 Posts
Sounds a little like me. I default to Support because of the group I play with. hue
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I think it's interesting how so many people have Jungle > Support > X > Y > Z, or Support > Jungle > X > Y > Z. I guess it reveals a different mindset that TLer's have about the game. I do think the potential to carry from those roles is often underestimated since they tend to carry more by calling shots and enabling other teammates rather than getting a lot of gold and actually killing stuff. Also, since they're the easiest roles to get, you can usually get what you want. Low-hanging fruit OP.
And yea, for me...
Jungle > Support > ADC > Top > Mid
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On May 29 2013 06:52 Arisen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 06:22 JonGalt wrote:On May 29 2013 06:11 Arisen wrote:On May 29 2013 05:11 Diamond wrote:On May 29 2013 05:00 Arisen wrote:On May 29 2013 04:54 Diamond wrote:On May 29 2013 04:45 Arisen wrote:
So, im starting another account because I'm tired of dealing with my ranked game bug, What bug? Im losing 6 or more times the LP per ranked game than I win (usually 1LP per win, 6-25 per loss). I also seem to get a lot of AFK/DCs, etc. I've been told its because LoL thinks my MMR or whatever should be lower so it's trying to get me to where it wants me by making me lose more points than I could possibly gain (I had a friend tell me that he thinks they're putting me on the team with the lower combined MMR as well, but I think it's just a coincidence that I get quite a lot of DCs/AFKs). That's not a bug, not even close to one..... Either bug or working as intended, I was in high silver when i stopped playing, now that I've started playing again after a long hiatus, I've worked my way almost down to bronze 3 because of this issue. It's no fun for me as a play much worse players than myself only to keep dropping because LoL thinks my MMR should be lower so i can finally reach some equilibrium then steamroll back up. If it is an intended function, I think it's decidedly unfun. I don't want to sound like a negative nancy or the broken record that is the TL attitude of ignore LP but... 1) Do you think that your "long hiatus" has anything to do with losing now? OR 2) Ignore LP because it means nothing and just focus on improving. And if you don't like any of those, how about blame ELO/MMR decay due to inactivity and just wait it out because it will fix itself. Starting a new account for the sole purpose of getting into ranked again seems like a waste of runes, champs, IP, RP, and hard work! If you just want a smurf for playing with friends, then that's different. Or if you want to ignore this and go back to 2002 and make a new BWLoL account because it doesn't show your "true" skill, then have fun  Oh em gee, I am blowin' up my post count tonight. 1) I'm positive my "long Hiatus" has nothing to do with me losing now. I had played dota during my haitus, my mechanics are better than ever. The only thing i have to improve is my game knowledge. I'm playing support mostly, I always end up positive during my games, i place a ton of wards. I counter ward. People either go afk or go off 1v5 and die over and over and feed people. 2) My league keeps dropping, so I'm playing worse and worse players. It's not fun to play versus worse players. Even if I start winning now, i have to win 100 games right now to up a division (1 LP a win). I'm getting majorly frustrated playing the games I am now, hence I'm starting another account. Now if we could PLEASE get to my original question, that would be great :/
No one that I have seen is trying to flame you. We are all telling you the truth is all. LP means nothing, and is just for show, your MMR/ELO is all that matters and it's really low. Also when your MMR and LP even out the gains/losses will be normalized. So once that hits you will go from +1/-20 or w/e, to normal point gains/losses. So you would NOT need 100 wins, probably after 10 or so in a row you would see it normalize out.
Example: When I got into Silver 1 I went from +20/-20~ on my games to +4/-10. After what seemed like forever (one month or so), I started getting better at the game and winning a lot. My MMR actually ended up getting way higher than my LP, and it went to +25/-6~ until it promoted me to Gold V.
One thing I do agree with is the system is very frustrating in that aspect. I was getting so upset being stuck around 0 LP, but all of a sudden when the time was right the system recognized it, and basically forced me to be promoted. There needs to be some more transparency or LoL needs to be more harsh with demotions. I think it would be a lot less frustrating if it just demoted you to the right spot so you can get normal LP gains again.
Edit: For what it's worth, I do fully understand your frustration as a friend of mine is experiencing the same thing atm. I wrote an tweet to RiotLyte about it, as I see A LOT of frustration with this from players. Hope Riot does something to make it more clear and less frustrating.
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