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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14051 Posts
May 16 2013 15:18 GMT
#301
Janna does indeed make you feel like a god. I just gotta know that Tidecaller has a much larger skill cap.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
May 16 2013 15:20 GMT
#302
I find it funny how little effort went into the current skin sale.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 16 2013 15:22 GMT
#303
On May 17 2013 00:20 Seuss wrote:
I find it funny how little effort went into the current skin sale.

Lore/in character writers are busy on the Shurima patch.
It's your boy Guzma!
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14051 Posts
May 16 2013 15:23 GMT
#304
On May 17 2013 00:20 Seuss wrote:
I find it funny how little effort went into the current skin sale.

void noct looks hella fucking good for dirt rp.

Tbh its better they just throw up their hands and put out sales then try to use creative talent on shitty paragraphs justifying their sale.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
La1
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom659 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 15:27:46
May 16 2013 15:25 GMT
#305
On May 16 2013 20:33 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 20:32 La1 wrote:
Why the rammus nurf

is diana a nurf of a buff? I have felt she has been way to strong for AGES


I feel like that was intended to be a buff/quality of life improvement to prevent people from blowing their taunt on creeps when ganking. Although I suppose it might slow down your jungling a tiny tiny bit since you cant give monsters that -armor from taunt anymore...

Diana got nerfed. 100%. If Diana pops all 3 orbs and instantly refreshes her shield, her new shield gives only 45 more shield hp. If Diana loses the shield before popping the orbs she loses out on 110 shield hp. She also loses a significant chunk of damage. 40 damage on passive and 30 damage on her W. It's just a big nerf all around. I don't like it, but it was not unwarranted.

Bleh newbs blowing their taunt on creeps rubbish.. it defo slows down your jungle and his clear time was already pretty awful..

I am so glad that diana got nurfed, she was a joke imo, strong tanky, crazy damage.. she basically hit 6 and could 1 shot most ap casters in mid.. (bit like akali) expect she has decent early game laning which basically makes her soooooooo strong..

The rest of the changes i am not too bothered about but i am glad they are trying to make other ADC's viable..

would have loved to seen a lil lux nurf or a correction of her ult which always baffles me, feels like i could be top lane and she shoots it down mid and it still hits me >.>
pff
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 15:33:16
May 16 2013 15:27 GMT
#306
On May 16 2013 23:42 AsmodeusXI wrote:
This confuses me. Barring a lack of rune pages/extra runes (which is totally understandable), why wouldn't you have a mana regen page for supports? The page I use for my Janna, Sona, Nami, etc. is MPen/Ar/Mp5/Gp10 (and even that isn't enough mana regen when you REALLY wanna spam). Since I'm going to blow up anyways when looked at on said supports, I don't see much of a reason not to get that extra regen.


i don't really use mana regen pages- supports i run either mpen/flat armor/scaling mr/gp10, or i'll switch the gp10 with ap or movespeed (basically my ap mid page)

having the mr runes helps a lot against the enemy support, who is basically all magic damage unless its some weird kill lane with a bruiser. if you can get the enemy support low, you basically win lane and turn it into an effective 2v1

EDIT: i love how as janna you get a stupid amount of assists. like, it doesn't even make sense how it happens in fights where you don't ult and somehow pick up 4/5 assists or something. okay, so i shield the ad and he gets a double, i w a diver and throw down a random tornado... okay whatever it still doesnt make sense.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 16 2013 15:29 GMT
#307
The rammus change says minions and not monsters. Does anyone know if they mean everything or just the lane minions since it seems like a nerf otherwise.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14051 Posts
May 16 2013 15:30 GMT
#308


Wow Just when you thought NA and EU was fucked before.

How many all star teams are going to be in shanghai?
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 16 2013 15:31 GMT
#309
On May 17 2013 00:29 Numy wrote:
The rammus change says minions and not monsters. Does anyone know if they mean everything or just the lane minions since it seems like a nerf otherwise.

Haven't tested it, but usually when you see the word "minion" it does not include neutral monsters.
It's your boy Guzma!
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 16 2013 15:34 GMT
#310
On May 17 2013 00:14 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 23:50 NeoIllusions wrote:
So last night, about an hour before the servers go down for patch update, my account randomly kicks me off and says someone else has logged in from a different pc. I panic and immediately try to go change my password on leagueoflegends.com but I'm not fast enough. In addition to informing Rioters on Skype with what happened and emailing support, I log on a smurf and decide to talk to the guy on my account.

Long story short, this person at first tries to extort me for $150 to get my own account back because that's apparently how much my account costs in terms of skins but finally decides to return my account to me because he was in a good mood and he was utterly surprised at why I wasn't raging at him (spent the hour talking to him about why he did this, was this a targeted decision, etc.) Only loss was the 5200 RP of him sending my account to EUW and me having to ship it back to NA. npnp

What I get away from this ordeal is that being patient with people pays off and Riot seriously needs to update their password recovery system, it's pretty atrocious for the popularity and size of something like League.

Moving on to a more relevant topic. I, NeoIllusions, am a scumbag Rumble player. He was definitely one of my go to champions for Top Lane. That said, I'll need to playtest Rumble myself today but I have a strong feeling that he's rather gutted. I think the Flamespitter change I could have lived with but holy shit that Harpoon nerf hurts. Not simply on a harassment level but the fact that Rumble usually has to use Harpoons to last hit against a severe lane bully.

Assuming I will eventually retire Rumble because of this patch (because I subscribe to Slayer91's sentiments of practicing a small pool of champions to actually get better with them), I'm considering picking up Zac instead because he fits a similar niche. He functions as a AP/Tanky champion with a solid form of initiation.

Edit: All this Nami talk is a little amusing. We were talking about Nami yesterday in staff chat and I drew parallels between her and early release Lulu. Obviously after many, many months of Lulu, there's no arguing that Glitterlance max is the way to go. But do you remember that initially people tried to max E first and thought, "pff, Lulu's just a shitty version of Janna".

So yeah, don't tunnel vision when it comes to Supports. They don't all fit the same roles and don't try to cookie-cutter them into a playstyle that doesn't suit them. That said, I still strongly stand by Q max Nami is the proper way to build her. Vastly superior to W max or E max.

Have you figured out how he got your password in the first place? If you don't address the root problem the vulnerability might still be there.

Keylogger?
Compromised email?
Shared pw with some other compromised service?
Told a "friend" once?
Just too easy to guess pw?
EDIT: Social-engineered Riot support?


I wasn't compromised, I scan everything regularly and immediately last night when I lost control of my account. I trust my friends. Not to bad mouth Riot but the person said I was targeted at random because my account was a beta account and one of the first 1500. He didn't seems to know who I was or that I work for Riot when I tried to insinuate it.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
komokun
Profile Joined July 2011
France343 Posts
May 16 2013 15:34 GMT
#311
On May 17 2013 00:05 sylverfyre wrote:
The Asians are all running 2 lifesteal quints instead of 3, if that influences your decision? (Lifesteal quints are cheaper if you look at it that way)


I had started using 3 with the shift long sword->dorans early S3 but have been using only 2 shortly after that. 2 lifesteal quints are enough and you can buy them one by one so it's kinda easier than piling up 6k ip.

I'd say go for Diana, she's still pretty damn strong despite the nerfs. Her previous nerf (before re- buffs) on her range was really annoying because you couldn't jump over drake/baron pit and some other sweet spots but tweaking some numbers won't make her UP unless they keep nerfing her at least 2 more times. She has so much for "free" is obscene.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 16 2013 15:35 GMT
#312
On May 17 2013 00:30 Sermokala wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B3x72t2tNRs#!

Wow Just when you thought NA and EU was fucked before.

How many all star teams are going to be in shanghai?


stanley and toyz die less than 2 time per game on average. i think TPA's combined KDA is somewhere between 5 and 6.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 16 2013 15:37 GMT
#313
On May 17 2013 00:31 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 00:29 Numy wrote:
The rammus change says minions and not monsters. Does anyone know if they mean everything or just the lane minions since it seems like a nerf otherwise.

Haven't tested it, but usually when you see the word "minion" it does not include neutral monsters.


That's what I thought but people talking about him being nerfed which would only be the case if it was neutral monsters too.
komokun
Profile Joined July 2011
France343 Posts
May 16 2013 15:42 GMT
#314
On May 17 2013 00:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 00:30 Sermokala wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B3x72t2tNRs#!

Wow Just when you thought NA and EU was fucked before.

How many all star teams are going to be in shanghai?


stanley and toyz die less than 2 time per game on average. i think TPA's combined KDA is somewhere between 5 and 6.


Toyz is one of the few people making me appreciate how good Chinese can "sound".
Harleluyar and Stanley so likeable, gonna root for them if EU lose.

Is anyone following garena league ? How good is ahq ? I remember people saying the team was beast, and watched the games vs TPA. I sometimes watch westdoor's and lantyr's streams but I don't know how they've been doing recently.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 15:48:14
May 16 2013 15:43 GMT
#315
tpa is slumping as heck, tps is the real deal. ahq is really unstable and not too great atm. toyz's chinese is a result of his hongkong origin with influence from taiwanese chinese.
cool beans
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 15:59:32
May 16 2013 15:48 GMT
#316
On May 17 2013 00:43 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
tpa is slumping as heck, tps is the real deal


not really

sometimes weird shit strategies like nasus mid/ nunu top just don't work out vs jayce/diana/zac

<-- is n1 tpa fanboy tl
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thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
May 16 2013 16:04 GMT
#317
On May 17 2013 00:34 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 00:14 thenexusp wrote:
On May 16 2013 23:50 NeoIllusions wrote:
So last night, about an hour before the servers go down for patch update, my account randomly kicks me off and says someone else has logged in from a different pc. I panic and immediately try to go change my password on leagueoflegends.com but I'm not fast enough. In addition to informing Rioters on Skype with what happened and emailing support, I log on a smurf and decide to talk to the guy on my account.

Long story short, this person at first tries to extort me for $150 to get my own account back because that's apparently how much my account costs in terms of skins but finally decides to return my account to me because he was in a good mood and he was utterly surprised at why I wasn't raging at him (spent the hour talking to him about why he did this, was this a targeted decision, etc.) Only loss was the 5200 RP of him sending my account to EUW and me having to ship it back to NA. npnp

What I get away from this ordeal is that being patient with people pays off and Riot seriously needs to update their password recovery system, it's pretty atrocious for the popularity and size of something like League.

Moving on to a more relevant topic. I, NeoIllusions, am a scumbag Rumble player. He was definitely one of my go to champions for Top Lane. That said, I'll need to playtest Rumble myself today but I have a strong feeling that he's rather gutted. I think the Flamespitter change I could have lived with but holy shit that Harpoon nerf hurts. Not simply on a harassment level but the fact that Rumble usually has to use Harpoons to last hit against a severe lane bully.

Assuming I will eventually retire Rumble because of this patch (because I subscribe to Slayer91's sentiments of practicing a small pool of champions to actually get better with them), I'm considering picking up Zac instead because he fits a similar niche. He functions as a AP/Tanky champion with a solid form of initiation.

Edit: All this Nami talk is a little amusing. We were talking about Nami yesterday in staff chat and I drew parallels between her and early release Lulu. Obviously after many, many months of Lulu, there's no arguing that Glitterlance max is the way to go. But do you remember that initially people tried to max E first and thought, "pff, Lulu's just a shitty version of Janna".

So yeah, don't tunnel vision when it comes to Supports. They don't all fit the same roles and don't try to cookie-cutter them into a playstyle that doesn't suit them. That said, I still strongly stand by Q max Nami is the proper way to build her. Vastly superior to W max or E max.

Have you figured out how he got your password in the first place? If you don't address the root problem the vulnerability might still be there.

Keylogger?
Compromised email?
Shared pw with some other compromised service?
Told a "friend" once?
Just too easy to guess pw?
EDIT: Social-engineered Riot support?


I wasn't compromised, I scan everything regularly and immediately last night when I lost control of my account. I trust my friends. Not to bad mouth Riot but the person said I was targeted at random because my account was a beta account and one of the first 1500. He didn't seems to know who I was or that I work for Riot when I tried to insinuate it.

:\ Accounts don't just magically get compromised, there is always something going on.

Did you share your password with another game? A server breach on a different game could cause your LoL account to be compromised even if Riot does nothing wrong (which is why you should never share passwords). I changed my password on LoL as soon as I heard that Blizzard had some kind of server breach; luckily, I use a different login name on the two services.

The other possibility is that he knows enough about you to convince Riot support that he was you, but if it was a random attack I'd doubt it.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 16 2013 16:05 GMT
#318
We had a lot of math concerning Cait's AS changes, here's VVinrar's analysis:

http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs/a-different-view/vvinrar/24270-how-does-patch-3-7-affect-caitlyns-dps
It's your boy Guzma!
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
May 16 2013 16:08 GMT
#319
On May 17 2013 00:48 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 00:43 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
tpa is slumping as heck, tps is the real deal


not really

sometimes weird shit strategies like nasus mid/ nunu top just don't work out vs jayce/diana/zac

<-- is n1 tpa fanboy tl


yeah...i don't base my statements on just one game
cool beans
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 16 2013 16:33 GMT
#320
I hate how Viktor's R stops following people as soon as them use some kind of movement ability. Makes for 50hp escapes because once dead you can't redirect it.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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